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The External Links needs to be cut down a lot. I don't know what qualifies under WP:EL but if someone could help cut it down that would be great. SkylineBNR34 08:03, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
I'd love to see the source of the comment 'and a new CT26 (sometimes going by the misnomer CT20b) turbocharger'. I've heard the term CT20b used almost universally by people in the UK and Australia / New Zealand, but only by word of mouth and I've never seen it on anything official. I've never seen or heard anything to suggest it's called a CT26 either though. I once tried to buy one from the leading turbo charger reconditioner in the UK, and they refered to it by the number cast into the casting, '74040', but I imagine that was just a convenient way for them to identify the part rather than an official Toyota designation. I bought a new one from Toyota and as you can see from http://www.mr2turbo.info/pics/ct20b.html there's no mention of 'CT26' or 'CT20b' on the part itself. The original part that came off my 1994 car didn't have a CT designation either, unlike pre 1994 where 'CT26' is often clearly on the inlet casting. I heard there are 'CT20' turbos on other cars that are nothing like the turbos used on the MR2, but that in itself isn't proof the 94+ MR2 turbocharger doesn't have the designation 'CT20b'. --Robin —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 80.195.28.120 (talk) 08:43, 5 May 2007 (UTC).
I think some of the power figures are wrong (i.e. not the official ones). A 1994 onwards Japanese Domestic Market MR2 GT / GT-S (turbo) has a max power 245 PS at 6000 rpm (source: a 1998 Japanese Toyota brochure amongst others), which I think is about 245 hp, not 240 hp as mentioned in the article. 245 PS is often quoted as 240 BHP. A BHP usually seems to be slightly more than an 'American' HP and this is probably where the confusion comes from. Similarly I think the earlier Japanese turbos were 225 PS but I've never seen this figure on official literature yet. As far as I can remember the American MR2 turbos are indeed 200 hp though. I've corrected the figure for the 1994 turbo but left the other figures as they are as I'm only 100.0% sure about the 245 figure. What I suggest is to try to find the 'PS' figures for the cars (preferably from Japanese brochures), as that seems to be the form that Toyota Japan uses (these tend to be equivalent to hp figures). Then multiply by 0.73549875 to get the kilowatt figures. You'll notice in the article the ratio between the hp figures and the kilowatt figure varies. The situation is further confused by Toyota GB occassionally quoting PS figures as 'BHP' figures in brochures. Also as far as I've heard the Japanese 3S-GEs have slightly higher figures than the UK 3S-GEs, which is probably due to Japan having higher octane fuel than the UK. --Robin
I would say the varying HP quotes are valid enough, as far as power measurements go. As such, all HP measurements should always be taken with caution though.... Beyond the varying definitions of a 'horse' power unit, the measuring rules provided by SAE, JIS, DIN etc are important to any given quoted engine HP. These are traditionally regional bodies, so different testing standards can apply in different markets as do different emissions and engine tuning requirements which affect performance too.
'Brake' HP measurements of a given engine will vary with the installed components, exhaust modification, exhaust gas recirculation, and many environmental factors. Even though these are governed by the standard of testing, the HP output of a given engine may vary according to rule application and quality of corrective calculations specified in the standard. Two different motors of identical design (subject to varying manufacturing tolerance, tuning and emission controls) become even less comparable! Some engine manufacturers are known to pick and choose test results to suit themselves, as well as make a mess of unit conversion, hence the great variation in quoted HP.
BTW Michelmreid, the SAE was initially an American society that has provided definitions for US manufacturers of a 'horse's power' and 2 standard methods for measuring engines to obtain the reading (which have changed over time). By my reckoning, there must be such thing as an American horsepower even though that is an impractical term :) (Just as BHP specifically does refer to British Horsepower in some cases - this is in the article you quoted BTW...) HMS DigDug (talk) 07:27, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
Regarding the 1994 changes, the US situation maybe should be mentioned. As far as I heard the US never got the later revision 3s-gte engines, even in 1994 and 1995 cars (this needs to be confirmed though). Of course the car ceased to be sold in the US after 1995 too, and the 1994 and 1995 sales figures were very low. As far as I know all cars sold in the US after 1995 needed to provide an emissions related diagnostic network (OBD II), but what the real reason for the 5 year MR2 black hole in the US is, I don't know. I've added a brief note that 1995 was the last year the car was sold in the US. --Robin
I removed this text: " The more cynical press accused the MR2 being a ripoff of Fiat's X1/9, but despite the similar design concept, the results were completely different. Where Fiat had failed, Toyota had created a huge success." Apart from being highly POV, it's inaccurate - Fiat's car was pretty successful, with many thousands sold and an almost 20 year lifespan. In fact in comparison the MR2 model didn't last one fifth as long. If you want to make a comparison, fair enough, but at least be reasonable. Graham 11:05, 28 May 2004 (UTC)
Yes, I do admit that the article is somewhat biased - I own an MR2 myself and I'm quite enthusiastic about it. The original, finnish language version of this article was written for the Toyota Club of Finland so that may contribute to the bias as well. Modifying the article towards a more neutral position would definately be a good idea but I think I might not be the right person to do this task. Regarding sales figures, from the information I've seen, approximately 170000 Fiat X1/9s were sold worldwide during it's 17-year production, beginning 1972. I only have MR2 sales figures from 1984 to 1999 and the 110000 were sold in Japan alone - 130000 cars were sold in North America. The worldwide total between those years appears to be approximately 300000. I don't know how well the MR2 has done from 1999 to the present but apparently not quite as well as the earlier models. --Jahalme 15:04, 28 May 2004 (UTC)
All I'd like to add is to whom ever keeps changing the release date of the ZE powered car, please stop. The Supercharged car was available in Japan and southern pacific regions in 1987. The American market didn't get it till a year later. Stop changing it.
Please vote (with a one-line answer, indented) on the following question:
Is this vehicle a sports car?
--SFoskett 13:22, Oct 9, 2004 (UTC)
Bill Strong www.MR2OC.com 18:01, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
...Toyota changed the 1992 model to include wider rear tyres and changed the rear suspension so that the car would be more prone to understeer, thus making it more difficult to push the car into snap oversteer. These changes also made the cornering abilities a bit worse...
Any documentation to back this up? I have driven both a 91 and a 93 and I disagree. In fact I believe this is a point of contention among many MR2 owners. It should probably not be presented as a fact that the 93 suspension is worse. (Note: In the US, these changes took effect for the 1993 model year, are you using 1992 because that's when the JDM changes took place?)
I haven't found any _official_ documentation on the suspension changes, despite heavy searches. However, it's clear to see the figures for suspension geo/settings when comparing the Revision 1 cars against the Revision 2 cars (JDM as well as UK models). Having owned three different revision MR2s, the difference is most definately noticable; the rear of the Revision one models is definately more 'lively' and more prone to fishtailing.
I think this line should be removed from the article. Did someone from Toyota actually say this? The MR2 is a lightweight mid-engined rear-wheel drive convertible, while the tC is a heavy front-engined front-wheel drive coupe which costs $9k less. The same line is also in the Scion tC article.
Could somebody find and include the average weight for the AW11 model? The first section indicates that it was lightweight, that the SW20 was much heavier, and that the ZZW30 "dropped under a ton again," implying that the AW11 was <2,000 lbs. Could somebody get the actual value? I believe that SW20 is around 3,200 lbs.
1040kgs dry - ex AW11 SC owner.
I've got 1050kg written on my registration papers. 203.132.66.152 04:36, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
The AW11 section states that a targa top was available in Japan. Is this a reference to a true targa top (where the entire roof section is removable) or is this in reference to the T-bar top (with a bar running down the centre)? Big difference, as the T-Top was standard on some US models.
I'm putting in collectible article for Toyota, but some editors says Wikipedia has no place for such an article and will remove any attempt to write about toy MR2 or a toy anything. Thoughts?? I'm a toy car collector. --matador300 07:47, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
It doesn't strike me that an article for the collectible is notable, but feel free to add a Collectibles section to this article! Scott Paeth 07:11, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
there is no mention in the article of a mk1.5. i definitely think this deserves some sort of honorable mention.
I agree, the Mk1.5 should be mentioned along with the history of it. Starting with Deno Plumley in America.
http://www.mk1point5.com/ Also point out the modded V6 and V8 MK1s that are being built or have been built. Bill Strong www.MR2OC.com 18:01, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
Even though Justanother appears to have some complex where he must remove all references to the Fiat X1/9, to be a truly correct article, there should be discussion that the original MR2 was designed based off the X1/9. There are accounts of Toyota essentially buying an X1/9 and enlarging it by 10%. Those who race both X1/9s and Mk1 MR2s can tell you that the mechanicals are nearly identical. To be blunt, Toyota copied the Fiat/Bertone vehicle -- designed in 1972!
The claims of the X1/9 copy are totally unfounded. Anyone who'd "driven both" would quickly realise the only similarities are the fact that the engine is in the back end. The inspirations for the MR2 come from Lotus cars like the SAX and "Lotus Toyota" project. The only reason the woeful Fiat got any attention in the media was because critics were looking for a comparison to use against the MR2 and the X1/9 was the only thing available that was in a similar price bracket.
I think it would be suitable to mention the limited BEAMS engine as well. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.3.147.244 (talk • contribs) 19:45, 29 December 2006 (UTC).
quote: The SW20 has become a major collector's car since the 2003 Ultimate Street Car Challenge win of Brad Bedell and his yellow V6-powered MR2. The 1MZ-FE motor, that comes from the V6 powered Solara and Camry, has quickly become a popular modification as the expense of switching to the V6 motor is roughly in line with installing a turbocharged motor into a formerly naturally aspirated car.
Now Brads victory was an awesome success, tried by a handful of MR2 owners before. But I am pretty certain that the MR2 is NOT a major collector car. The resale prices of late model MK2 turbo MR2s has gotten a bit out of hand for a few years, the prices were climbing well before Brads victory. And a modified MR2 would not increase the value of stock model. That quote just does not make sense. Bill Strong www.MR2OC.com 18:02, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
I think there should be a section showing the following MR2s: The Group S TTE Rally MR2. I have specs and images of the Toyota Museum car and also of the other that is located in Germany.\ History of this car is rampant with internet rumour. It would be nice to finally get a detailed inventory of the actual history of the car. here is the white Museum car. I have more as well, including inside shots and engine shots of the black TTE rally car. http://mr2ownersclub.com/groups.asp
The Convertible MK1 (MR2 Spider) http://www.mr2ownersclub.com/mk1convertible/
MK2 Bonneville jet car along with the Tri-Jet MK1
Bob Norwoods Turbocharged 4AGE powered MK2 MR2 http://www.bobnorwood.com/The%20Fastest%20Little%20Sports%20Car%20in%20Utah.htm
Bob Norwood also has a book that basically shows how to make the V6 MK2 MR2 - forget the publisher, but it is a big tuning manual for aftermarket ECUs. This was done back in the late 90s to early 2000s.
Bill Strong www.MR2OC.com 18:16, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
"It is a common misconception that the MR2 was Lotus-designed but assembled and distributed by Toyota. In actuality the Lotus M90 (a.k.a. the X100) project was scrapped after a single prototype was built"
This kills me... this Lotus was actually closer related to the RWD Corolla GT (AE86) as it used the engine and drivetrain from this car. It may outwardly look like a triangle form and the Mr2, hell, even the TVR and the X1/9, but it is a front engine rear drive. ref: http://python.rice.edu/~arb/arbmotorsports/arbmotors_2003/lotus_elan_m90.html
so basically this car has nothing to do with the MR2 and should never even be mentioned in the same sentence. It would be closer related to the Corolla Bill Strong www.MR2OC.com 18:23, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
I changed the language "...was something no one had expected from any Japanese car manufacturer, known for their economical and practical cars." to "...was something no one had expected from Toyota, known for their economical and practical cars." Nissan and Mazda, to name two Japanese makers, had produced sports cars well in advance of the MR2. Of course Toyota made the 2000GT, but it's debatable that this was a production car. Citroënist (talk) 13:42, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
"The engine was also equipped with a Bosch L-Jetronic type multi-point fuel injection and a variable intake geometry (T-VIS), giving the engine a maximum power output of 128 hp (95 kW). US engines were rated at 112 hp (84 kW), European engines at 124 hp (93 kW), Australian engines at 118 hp (88 kW) and Japanese engines at 130hp (97 kW)."
This is wrong. Not all engines used the L-Jetronic injection system. Only countries that required strict emissions standards used the L-Jetronic. The D-Jetronic was used on non-emissions built cars. These cars also did not come with catalyst. This explains why the non-North American cars made more more power. In place of the Cat a resonator was placed. Other changes were related to fuel quality and compression rations (I believe that secondary timing also played a small difference in relation to fuel quality.) Power ratings also changed with the rev2 change to the Supercharged block with the wider bearings and heavier components. Simplify build by just using one component instead of many.
There is also reference to the Mk1 C50 transaxle. There was an article written in a car magazine in the mid-80s about Toyota quality. About how Toyota sent engineers to dealerships to review warranty cases like the weak transaxle issues that the MR2 was seeing. One of the benefits of this was that the engineers would see what was breaking and how, then get this info to the factory engineers so that they could implement changes to the production models. They made these changes on the fly. Something that other companies like GM and Ford could not do at the time. I do not have reference to the magazine, it could have been Autoweek or one of the other big guns in the states. Bill Strong www.MR2OC.com 18:36, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
The Ijection system was not built by Bosch. It was licensed by Toyota from Bosch and actually was a major improvement of the Bosch L-Jetronic system. Bill Strong www.MR2OC.com 18:38, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
Is this a North American thing? They're quite common here in the UK, and I don't think I've ever heard them called "Mister Two". Loganberry (Talk) 00:38, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
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MR stands for "Midship Runabout." An example of the Japanese market MR2 badge: http://www.mrs-passion.com/catalog/images/BadgeJSpec.jpg 124.176.22.162 23:30, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
If you open the hood (front) of the MR2 spyder, "Midship Runabout" is written on the spare tire hatch. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.130.33.39 (talk) 16:12, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
This edit diff brought to my attention that someone disagrees with what MR2 sounds like in French. If it's simply someone trying to censor it or not, I don't know. I looked up "est merdeux" in a translator and it gave me "is filthy". If someone can make sure this is correct, that would be great. In the meantime, I have reverted the edit. --Leedeth 22:36, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
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These "related" sections in the infoboxes are getting out of hand, for example "Pontiac Fiero" in the SW20 box?! The MR2 shares engines with many other cars but that's the end of any similarities. I've removed them. 124.176.49.201 (talk) 23:34, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
I know all of us are proud of our cars, and put the picture of the car in there, but this isnt a competition, this is an uncyclopedia, therefore, an image of the car in PERFECT conditions must be posted for informational purposes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jjmorabrenes (talk • contribs) 02:55, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
Agree - it is a bit silly. The current picture at the top of the article has a MR2 with a damanged (unable to fold correctly) roof. 203.59.168.239 (talk) 05:42, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
Autotrader has MR2 on its up coming list for a 2012 release.(Morcus (talk) 20:25, 3 August 2009 (UTC))
Where did this originate anyways? Many Toyota enthusiasts use it for the Celica, Supra, and MR2, but where did it come from? Is there any Toyota literature supporting this naming scheme? We probably should either remove it or include a note if it's not a Toyota term. Bdc101 (talk) 18:29, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
I made some changes and removed quite a bit of text from the article -- mostly excessive or unverifiable information, and I removed an entire paragraph from the MkII section that basically repeated the previous paragraph in someone else's words. The MkII section in particular had lots of grammar errors and bad info. I'd like to bring this article up to "B" article standards, so please chime in if you have an opinion. Bdc101 (talk) 23:24, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
Hi all,
I've been asked by bdc101 to give an opinion about the quality of this article. Here's what I've noticed after a short look.
More will follow as I find time. Cheers. Stepho (talk) 06:05, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
Finished another big round of edits. Feel free to comment or discuss. Bdc101 (talk) 20:32, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
I would argue for naming the sections simply "First generation (W10)", "Second generation (W20)", and "Third generation (W30)", leaving production years out of section headings - as they are often subject to constant changes by people who favor model years or have some other ideas. I am going to try and dig up some reliable early info too. ⊂| Mr.choppers |⊃ (talk) 19:06, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
I'm starting to get dizzy from the lead image changing daily. Let's discuss it here first. I have a personal preference to the first generation but no generation has any official preference. But I'm not keen on that red first gen image because the truck in the background makes it look cluttered. The black image is much cleaner - but a less front-on angle would show it's lines better. Any other comments? Stepho talk 22:35, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
Timeline is/was US centric. ZZW30 clearly introduced in Australia 13 October 2000 as SMT only, [1] while article cites 2002 as SMT introduction. Google, in its infinite wisdom keeps giving me Australian sources. Can a US editor confirm that SMT only became available in USA in 2002, or that 6 speed SMT was available a year earlier than Australia, whichever is correct, and edit accordingly?? Unclear to me as article stands. Seasalt (talk) 15:48, 9 May 2015 (UTC)
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Nbvolks and GreenGhost74 keep changing the lead image. Can you two (and any other interested parties) please discuss here instead of flip-flopping the article daily. For my 2 cents, I would be happy with either image. Stepho talk 09:36, 1 September 2018 (UTC)
My apologies for engaging in too many reversions, I was not aware of how BRD is supposed to work. My thinking behind replacing the lead image is to offer a better representation of the stock (factory spec) vehicle. The previous image from Nbvolks depicted a Rev3 MR2 with Rev5 MR2 wheels and turns signals, which is not representative of how the vehicle was ever sold. While I've been writing this, the lead image appears to have been changed again to a the same Rev3 MR2 with more Rev5 MR2 updates, but it also appears to have an aftermarket brake kit. My hope is just to supply a high quality image of an unmodified 100% factory-spec MR2. I would also appreciate some sort of reasons being given for why my revision keeps being reverted. GreenGhost74 (talk) 14:05, 1 September 2018 (UTC)
@GreenGhost74: Are you sure the image you uploaded is your own? It look like it you photographed it from some 90s magazine or publicity shot. The recent date where it was took and the exif data, you seem to have done just that. --Vauxford (talk) 02:13, 11 January 2019 (UTC)
Hi I'm new to Wikipedia and am an MR2 enthusiast, I noticed that when you click on Akio Yoshida's name it brings you to a page of a Japanese soccer player. From the research I've done it seems like these are different people should this link be taken off or should a page be created for Mr. Yoshida? Thanks (Sk8kid99 (talk) 23:22, 29 January 2019 (UTC))
Found some info on the disappearing SARD MC8 at https://shakotantoday.com/home/2019/9/14/sard-mc8
Not sure how accurate or verifiable this is but it gives us something to trace. Stepho talk 11:45, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
I wasn't a fan of the current 1st gen MR2 lead image so I changed it to the image with the second image I linked but it got reverted. Which image do you guys think is better overall? I think the composition, spec of the car and quality of the second shot overcome it having a small rope in front but what do y'all think? I'll also include 3 other alternate options as well. TKOIII (talk) 23:18, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
The W20 was produced in Japan in December 1989, and was subsequently released to other markets (such as the USA and UK) 1990, therefore the production date of 1990 is incorrect and false information. I corrected the date but someone keeps changing it back. 82.4.137.39 (talk) 16:03, 30 June 2022 (UTC)