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The article makes absolutely no mention of the alleged motive for this crime! Can we get this in here! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.226.104.225 (talk) 21:55, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
their motive has never been discussed in any of the news media properly. there needs to be more about why they were there in the first place. for instance, they deny setting up a PSC in Congo but admit to tourism, looking for business opportunities. they were nowhere near to setting up a company but were quite possibly after freelance security work in the country.
more needs to be put in about the evidence used, particularly the use of text messages by prosecution.
it needs to be stated that the UN uniforms etc were recovered from a lock-up in Kampala and were not taken into the Congo. All of this is on dagbladet and also in interviews conducted with the pair.
Also, whilst on the run in the jungle Moland was shot at by an armed group, which does contribute to their side of the story. photographs were recovered from his phone showing bullet holes in a variety of his equipment (again dagbladet news) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.71.17.187 (talk) 12:28, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
What the hell is this?? Monkeys?? Bonzostar (talk) 22:22, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
Why are the Congolese called monkeys? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.230.170.133 (talk) 22:24, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
There are numerous racist remarks throughout this article —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.12.150.33 (talk) 22:31, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
from the references i get it the original source of this article is norwegian or related to that nation, thx for the article anyhow.24.132.171.225 (talk) 22:55, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
well my contribution to talks being lost i'll redo it. (i would think norge^^)
i made an extract fyeo, of what the french media all mentions, so here it is again. french media mention : fire arms for war, smuggle of arms, , witnesses, congolese media in french mention: continual presence of norwegians, (immediatly/long) ahead the proces, a trip through war torn nations, a coded message, telling them not to mention names for the security of "the others<", they mention the struggle they think foreigners are "still/contrary to arrangements(?)" interfering in, the importance of a zero tolerance policy that stretches colour or nation, that they had a picture of a naked woman in their collective hotelroom(), cd's with the pictures of their militairy training / career(;), there's a little more i don't quite understand, next they also stand accused of "smoking marihuana in a forest" wich gives the whole a surrealistic touch.24.132.171.225 (talk) 22:50, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
In first paragraph I found 500 billion dollars (500 000 000 000$). It's, incredible it is entire Norway's GDP in one year and two months. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Radioactiv fallout (talk • contribs) 03:32, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
this is a typo. they were supposed to pay $250m plus the $60m according to dagbladet —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.71.17.187 (talk) 12:24, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
i understand the rest is much less then the 60m. but generous to congolese life standard.24.132.171.225 (talk) 23:04, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
One of the sources provided (Google / AFP) in the article states that the Death Penalty is no longer applied in Congo and that death sentences are always commuted to life in prison. Curiously, this is not said in the article. To have the situation look more outrageous and dramatic ? Hektor (talk) 06:39, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
the kinshasa blog in french, that is used as a source by french newsoutlets actually says it is rarely executed and usually in prison commuted to a lifelong sentence, if still then by militairy firing squad (wich source appears to consider relatively humane). so perhaps that is why it is not in the article. what do you think happens when you have hirelings and desperates running rampant still? in a post war situation where there have been major inflictions on human rights? if we took it seriously we would be better informed.24.132.171.225 (talk) 23:00, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
As I said to you, the burden of proof is on you. Do you not know how to use a talkpage? Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 18:17, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
I found this on WP:3O. There's no reason to remove the name from the article - whether a person wants information on themselves on Wikipedia is irrelevant, and including the person's name adds verifiability to the article. If User:donkeytail1 can provide a citation for a retraction of the statement, that should also be included in the article ("However, she later retracted the statement, saying..."). I suggest contacting an administrator. For the record, All of the user's edits have been to the statement in question (and in fact violated WP:3RR yesterday [1][2][3][4][5]) MildlyMadContribs 18:02, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
how can i proof i represent ryden?she can write to editor if one wants from her official email.Why would I have any other motives to just remove her name from the article?dont relly see it.let me know how she can contact the editor of this article or whomever is responsible to state her opinion.I really dont think that her name is adding any value to this article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Donkeytail1 (talk • contribs) 18:41, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
ryden is neither well known or semi known.neither mentioning her name is relative that this article would lose its meaning or credibility.She already contacted DN in the case and is just asking not to be mentioned on wiki.leave the ling to the article that has been publish if its so relevant but remove her name.some people due to various reasons want to keep their privacy.i really dont understand such spite and persistence in this completely minor significance for this issue and this article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Donkeytail1 (talk • contribs) 21:05, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
this is what i was editing today but name kept popping back. i think that will resolve it.thank you —Preceding unsigned comment added by Donkeytail1 (talk • contribs) 21:35, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
In my opinion, the name adds nothing to my understanding of the article subject, and for those who need to know the name, the linked reference is suitable. In this case the right to privacy of the individual outweighs any encyclopedic value from retaining the name. Kevin (talk) 04:02, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
thank you for resolving this matter.is there a possiblity if rydens name is googled wiki and this article doesnt come up?thanx --Donkeytail1 (talk) 10:23, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
I have received an e-mail from Pernilla Rydén, that confirms that she does in fact want this information to be removed from the article, and has taken steps to have the misquotes in Dagens Nyheter redacted. It seems like we have consensus here that her name need not be included in the article, so I believe the issue is mostly resolved? decltype (talk) 11:11, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
Since it cannot be verified that the parties here actually operated as mercenaries, e.g. it appears they never participated in armed conflicts for any national entitiy or aimed to do so, I have removed this characteristic from the article. The term "mercenary" usually carries negative connotations. A more proper term is "security contractors". While some journalists referred to these guys as mercenaries, this does not make it an encyclopedic fact. Keanu (talk) 12:25, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
I have requested that this article be deleted, because we already have an article about their trial, and we already have an article about each of the 2 persons convicted of the murder.--Solotaig (talk) 15:16, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
Regarding the above: should the article be broken into three separate articles about French, Moland, and the trial? Myself, I don't see enough notability for either of the individuals to have their own articles; instead, a single article about the group or their trial should suffice. —C.Fred (talk) 15:29, 5 September 2011 (UTC)