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"Legends": Edwin Kelly, Charlie Peterson (pool player) (all BCA Hall of Famers); George Franklin Slosson, Maurice Daly (billiards player), Frank Ives, George Butler Sutton [not George H. Sutton, the one with no hands]
Media and misc.: Iwan Simonis (leading billiard cloth maker), Joss Cues (major cue mfr.), The Baron and the Kid [Johnny Cash film], Ultimate Pool Party [TV show]
And: everyone/thing listed at WP:CUEGAMES, WP:CUEEVENTS, WP:CUEORGS, WP:CUEBIOS, & WP:CUEMISC. Also a Cue sports world records article (many can be pulled from bio articles like Geet Sethi, Guinness Book will provide others, and so will BCA and other orgs., websites and books like Shamos 1999).
Internal pages: Something like: [2][3]). Such pages are not fluff, but can be good places to find recruits for the project, possibly including subject-matter experts, especially if cross-referenced to the project. Also, Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Cue sports (cf. [4][5][6]).
Create timelines, both textual and graphical. See link for various guidelines and examples. We need an overall one for cue sports generally, and more specific ones as we drill down into more specific topics (timeline of nine-ball, timeline of Willie Mosconi's career, etc.).
Form sections: Exhibition game needs section on cue sports; could later form a new article with "Main article..." xref to it. What other general articles need cue sports sections?
Images: improve articles with images from commons; create pics and add them to commons as GFDL/CC-by/PD.
Add: ((Sport overview)) to main articles of cue games that are real sports; medal table tags where they apply (see Ding Junhui for example).
Insert: Cue sports events (tournament results, etc.) into the "year in sports" categories (e.g. 1965 in sports), using ((subst:Cue sports heading)) if that year doesn't have one yet.
This baby-stub needs a total overhaul and expansion; this should be a major article, as trick shots are the subject of heated, televised intl. pro competition! — SMcCandlish [talk] [contrib]ツ22:34, 6 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I've done some general cleanup myself, including removing a number of outright b.s. statements, cleaning up the broken English, improving the organization of the article, and wikifying the content. While it is still rather paltry, I think it would survive AfD now if at least one reliable source were added. — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont] ‹(-¿-)›22:21, 22 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
You got any ideas to help this article out? and what do you mean "outright b.s. statements? right now im looking at the history of trick shot.Vandalfighter10108:09, 23 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, um, the list of books was to possibly find a book in that list to use as a reference. It's fairly obvious that that simple link wouldn't actually be a reference. And I understand the first link being non-authoritative. Thanks for the explanation! Cliff smith03:37, 26 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Because a.p. does not consist entirely of trick shots, it should probably move to its own article after it expands into a couple more sourced paragraphs. Between the two sites cited, there is certainly enough material to write up quite a bit more about it. Artistic billiards now mentions it and (for now) links here with ((Main)). — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont] ‹(-¿-)›16:55, 23 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Can you please explain what you mean by "a.p. does not consist entirely of trick shots"? Thanks. --Techin (talk) 22:40, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
If a trick shot is "a shot played on a billiards table which does something with the balls that would seem unlikely or impossible", then I would argue that a masse, badass or not, falls well within the definition of a trick shot. And for amateurs looking to get in to the "competitions" (namely, Trick Shot Magic or World Cup of Trick Shots), a.p. is a primary avenue for doing it. Also, the WPA-sanctioned Artistic Pool World Championships clearly has a.p. in its title. Would reference to this also be removed from this article if a.p. got its own article? --Techin (talk) 22:34, 19 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Why would you think that? Even my local league players do massés on a regular basis. One might as well call a draw shot a "trick shot" by your interpretation, since those certainly amaze noobs, too. :-) I don't follow your last question, really. If a.p. moved to its own article, then of course the sanctioning body for that discipline would move with it; one need not even ask. If the WPA's a.p. rules are used at non-a.p. events like Trick Shot Magic, then I imagine it would be mentioned at both articles; Wikipedia business-as-usual. Anyway, I don't understand why you seem to be so up-in-arms about this. The WPA World Nine-ball Championship is a nine-ball event but has its own article and is not stuffed into the nine-ball article. Why should this be any different? Eventually Trick Shot Magic, etc., should also have their own articles. — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont] ‹(-¿-)›20:21, 21 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I'm just trying to get a better understanding of the organizational structure of this and related articles to make sure any contributions I make are properly placed. I'm still trying to grasp what will be considered, for the purposes of this article, as "trick shots proper" and where the delineation is between a.p. and trick shot competitions, as similar shots are used in both (that was my basis for my original question). I also started a discussion in the Category:Trick shot artist article trying to get similar clarification. I do think "The train" shot listed under Common trick shots is unimpressive to most noobs and league players alike though. It's just a standard three rail kick shot with a larger margin for error because of the cue. --Techin (talk) 14:38, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I wouldn't worry about it; just add stuff (with sources) where they seem to fit, and if/when the time comes for an article split, we'll just deal with it then. Agree with you about "the train". That's more of a goof-off thing for children than a trick shot. Delete away! — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont] ‹(-¿-)›00:46, 23 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
It is likely that eventually someone will write an article on trick shots in basketball, shooting sports, archery, golf, bowling, or whatever. When that happens, the articles should be renamed to Trick shot (cue sports), Trick shot (basketball), etc, with Trick shot itself being a disambiguation page. Category:Trick shots will also need to be usurped and generalized, with more specific subcats. — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont] ‹(-¿-)›03:22, 14 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The APTSA disciplines are not entirely the same as "Dr. Cue" Rossman's, and established trick shot discipline books as used by Massey and others for decades pre-date both. CEB also published some kind of shot list (presumably for use on a pocketless carom table). — SMcCandlishTalk⇒ ʕ(Õلō)ˀContribs.20:13, 19 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
That said, it is not at all CoD-specific, but common to first-preson shooter gaming in particular (at least), as evidenced by plugging in otehr game names in a google serach, e.g. "Medal of Honor trick shots", "Ghost Recon trick shots". I'd bet good money that it applies to third-person shooter games, too, and any others in which shooting a projectile is a central feature of the gameplay. Sure enough, it's used by Skyrim archers. (Not counting billiards and basketball, etc., simulators, whose usage of the term is inherited from the real sports). Yep, further digging shows the usage turning up more broadly. However, when you think about it, it's simply derived from the usage in shooting sports and archery. I think our best approach here is to note that the term is also commonly used in references to intentional and accidental lucky shots in sports- and combat-simulator video games, cite an overview at a website like this (as a source of examples), and leave it at that. The idea that it's particular to CoD is demonstrably false, as is any notion that it's particular to some genre or community of gamers. A minute or two on YouTube looking around disproves such ideas easily. — SMcCandlish ☺☏¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼ 11:12, 13 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I removed a "Ron 'Just Like That' Dooley" entry, because a) there are no reliable sources for this person (all I can turn up are social media links), and even the nickname isn't a nickname, it'a a title of video Dooley made and posted on Facebook. There are thousands of nearly-unknown pool pros (instructors, road players, etc.) who are not notable in Wikipedia terms: they do not have substantial coverage in multiple, independent, reliable sources. Even the major, professionally edited pool magazines and sites don't seem to have anything about Dooley other than occasional passing mentions. User-generated content like Facebook, About.com, TheTopTens.com, TopTenz.net, TopMP3Hindi.xyz, YouTube, TheHypertexts.com, MP3NewSong.info, Answers.Yahoo.com, etc., do not qualify as reliable sources. — SMcCandlish ☺☏¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼ 02:22, 16 March 2016 (UTC)one of the best trick shot artist in the world ,you need to do better searching on this one ![reply]
That may well be true, but if no one is writing about him except in social media and on Web forums, we can't write about him here, per our core content policies and the notability guideline: We have to have multiple, in-depth, reliable sources that are independent of the subject. Over a year and a half on, there may well be such sources on this player by now. — SMcCandlish☏¢ >ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ< 10:14, 27 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
We really need to do a proper Artistic pool article (it presently just redirects to a section at Trick shot). This has become a major cue sport with a lot of television coverage, and today way more amateur (thanks to Tom Rossman's efforts in running side events at amateur eight-ball league national championships for many years; I was in one of those!) and professional, international competition than a decade ago when it was basically Mike Massey and and handful of other guys.
I've been alerted by Rossman to the fact that ArtisticPoolPlayers.com, which is frequently cited at pages like Andy Segal, is a one-author blog, and thus not a reliable source per WP:SPS. There are various sites run but league organizations that are more reliable, but he suggests using http://wpa~apd.com, since it's run by the World Pool-Billiard Association, the primary sport governing body for cue sports other than snooker and three-cushion. I'm not sure if it will have information on all titles and tournaments or just WPA ones, but at any rate it's going to be the no. 1 source for WPA artistic pool stats, since it's the most official source of them. — SMcCandlish☏¢ >ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ< 10:11, 27 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]