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Royal Roots, Republican Inheritance - The Survival of the Office of Arms, Susan Hood, Dublin, 2002 ISBN0-9534293-3-4 p.120.
She cites a letter dated February 23, 1923 from the Duke of Abercon (I think was the Governor of NI at the time) thanking Ulster KoA for his work on the flag design.
A straw poll has opened at this section of the United Kingdom talk page regarding the use of the Ulster Bannerfor that article's circumstances only. To capture a representative result as possible, you are invited to pass your opinion there. If joining the poll, please keep a cool head, and remain civil. Hope to see you there, Jza8422:37, 11 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
As this is not longer the flag of ni should the image be moved to Image:Fomer flag_of_Northern_Ireland.svgImage:UlsterBanner.svg? (Gnevin00:10, 17 October 2007 (UTC))[reply]
As this is a common's image the guideline at common's is that the image should be named the same as the EN wiki article. Either way a consensus needs to be built here before a move/remove war breaks out , please indicate if your are in favour Gnevin20:47, 18 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
You do people realize there is a mediation case about this, do you? There's also a discussion at the image talk page. (or even at commons) Bring this discussion there. --HowardtheDuck03:31, 19 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The mediation is on the usage not the name i dont think it apply here . I was discussion on IRC with commons Admin's who suggested i build consensus here Gnevin14:15, 19 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Well for all of its worth, it's the unofficial flag of Northern Ireland. So as per WP:NC, it should remain there. After all, it is still used unofficially as the flag of Northern Ireland. And with the rate of the mediation's going, most likely it'll only be used in instances relating to sport so having it where it is now seems appropriate. --HowardtheDuck14:50, 19 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Well going by WP:NC the name of this image is incorrect it was never the official flag of Northern Ireland, the flag is known as the Ulster Banner and the image should be renamed as such, as the current title gives a false status to the image.--Padraig14:57, 19 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Doesn't matter. Britney Spears' wasn't her "official" name either. We follow the most commonly-used name. Wikipedia uses the most-commonly used name, not the official name, unless the official name is also the most-commonly used one. Currently, the name, "the flag of Northern Ireland" is the more-commonly used name vs. the Ulster Banner. And don't bring me the legalities, I and Wikipedia doesn't care about that. Bring me evidence that the name "Ulster Banner" is the most-commonly used name for the flag then I'll support the rename. --HowardtheDuck11:47, 20 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The flag of Northern Ireland is still the flag of Northern Ireland, Gnevin. The government of Northern Ireland no longer uses the flag because the government of Northern Ireland no longer exists. The flag and its usage did not suddenly wink out of existence some time in the early 1970s. --Mal20:54, 22 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Reindent - As I've said, spare us the legalities - those who don't know and don't care about Northern Irish politics (about 95% of the world's population) sees this as the "flag of Northern Ireland". Also, the filename doesn't appear on the article page, it'll only appear when you hover to the image (at the status bar) and if you click it where the image page shows up. Actually if there's one thing wrong with all of this, it's the alt text on the flagicon templates; for example, hover to the Northern Irish flag at the following text: Northern Ireland - it displays "Flag of Northern Ireland", that should be renamed into some other name everyone will agree on, since everyone will see that. The filename of an image isn't really of importance to readers see it can't be readily seen and can be left as is. An explanation is needed (there is currently none) at the image page of the file to summarize the points of all sides. --HowardtheDuck15:57, 23 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I would rather you addressed me on my talk page, or this page, putting the same question on both is unhelpful, and it would be good manners to at least inform me if you are directly addressing me on an article talk page!
There has been some controvery around the Ulster Banner concerning its status. As far as I am aware the Flag of Ulster has no official status, and was wondering who decided it was the Flag of Ulster and when they did this, and what context it is being used, I think consistancy would be a nice thing, and hopefully this could feed into WP:IMOSFasach Nua12:02, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The document you have cited is the British view within a ver narrow context, I was referring to use of this emblem on Wikipedia, however this is a side issue.
The function of an article talk page is to discuss the article, not to discuss the subject. This article clearly claims that a certain object is the Flag of Ulster, and it is the basis of this assertation contained within the article that I would like annotated. Fasach Nua14:42, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Where is the evidence that the Flag of Ulster as the flag of the Irish province is disputed, I see no evidence of this on the talk page of that article, I think your confusing two different issues here, there is a dispute regarding the use of to represent Northern Ireland today, but there is no dispute over the flag of Ulster.--Padraig15:26, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I am not arguing it one way or the other, but "The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth" (WP:VERIFY), if an assertation is made in an article, a reader must be able to verify it. There is little doubt the flag is associated with Ulster, and is used in a limited sporting context, but this alone does not make it the "Flag of Ulster". Fasach Nua09:12, 27 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
So your unable to see the image in your browser, try clearing your browser cache and see if it loads properly then, there is nothing wrong with the image on wikipedia.--Padraig (talk) 01:54, 20 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Depends on which browser your using, but in most cases your will be able to it through your preferences or options which will find in your browser menu.--Padraig (talk) 16:21, 20 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with you Traditional unionist a source (preferably a legal/statutory source is required). I think it is time to delete the statement that it was officially named the "Ulster Banner". Frankly, it also sounds unlikely to be a name that would appear in legislation particularly as the name of the flag would then not correspond with the name of the region concered (i.e. NI). Redking7 (talk) 11:28, 24 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The Northern Ireland Government was given the right to have a Governmental Banner to represent itself, and the design of that banner was taken from the shield on the Coat of Arms, that is why its called the Ulster Banner and not the Ulster Flag.--Padraig (talk) 15:49, 24 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I agree again with Traditional unionist. I suspect but haven't researched the point, that the flag was the "Flag of the Government of Northern Ireland" (though for ease of reference could still be called the "Flag of Northern Ireland" for WP purposes - as the abolition of the government/Parliament of Northern Ireland abolished (in law) the flag whereas NI was never abolished. Any way, the point remains sources are needed. Otherwise, as TU pointed out, an article move and amendment are needed. Also, to my mind, one article Flag of Northern Ireland seems sufficient. Redking7 (talk) 23:22, 27 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
[2] the Union flag is the only "offical" flag of Northern Ireland ,Do a WP:RM if you don't agree with this name of this article their are two choices in my opinion
Your first choice is invalid as it is NOT the "Former flag of Northern Ireland". It is more accurately described as "Northern Ireland flag" that was used officially by the former government. It is the *only* "Northern Ireland flag" that has ever existed, and is still in widespread use - it has not been superseded. There is still no real high quality source that says that "Ulster Banner" is its name - most of us Northern Irish call it the "Northern Ireland Flag" or "Ulster Flag" - there are many sites that now call it the "Ulster Banner", but in every single case where I've seen this, there has been other text coming from Wikipedia - i.e. a circular reference created by Wikipedia itself. Jonto (talk) 01:14, 9 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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When I was editing the image file for this I set the flag proportion 1:2, based on what was on the CRW Flags of the World site. However, I'm not sure that that site was correct, as I have seen 3:5 ratio quoted elsewhere. Does anyone have a good source to the correct proportion of the flag? Jonto (talk) 21:11, 11 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
It is no longer a flag of the world, but it is used as a flag in the Commmonwealth Games and [3] shows its proportions as 1:2 on page 6, so I think that is a correct source as far as that has any meaning. Dmcq (talk) 08:32, 12 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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After making some minor changed to it, I decided to remove this introduction, which appears to be new:
"The symbol of a Red Hand within a six pointed star with a crown atop, with the backdrop of an English flag is actually not an 'Ulster Flag' nor an 'Ulster Banner'. This is due to the fact that it only represents the six counties of Ulster known as Northern Ireland, which is part of the United Kingdom. There are in fact 9 counties in ulster; Antrim, Armagh, Cavan, Derry, Donegal, Down, Fermanagh, Monaghan, Tyrone. The symbol or flag that represents the whole of Ulster is a Red Hand in the centre of a red Cross, with a yellow backdrop, called the Flag of Ulster."
The old description which I reinstated:
"The Ulster Banner (Irish: Meirge Uladh) is a heraldic banner taken from the former coat of arms of Northern Ireland, consisting of a red cross on a white field, upon which is a crowned six-pointed star with a red hand in the centre. It was the flag of the former Government of Northern Ireland and common flag of Northern Ireland from 1953 until that government was abolished in 1972."
The reinstated description seems to be more neutral/correct. It doesn't seem correct that the description of an article titled "Ulster Banner" would deny that this is the correct term. There's clearly a contradiction there, so either the description needed to change or the title did. If there is disagreement about it, it needs to be explained in the article. 86.27.249.220 (talk) 05:35, 26 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]