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Okay, good work so far. Some issues (beyond grammar etc.)
Middle two sections sound very much like a "how to" manual, and should sound more like "this is what the weapon is, this is its difference from previous weapons, these are its uses, and these are its controversies." You might include a small section on maintenance and loading if it relates to these other issues. For example, if this model is simpler to maintain, or simpler to load, than the venerable predecessor...
needs proper citations. I've done one, sort of, toward the end. You need authors, publications, etc., plus page numbers. If you want to use the named reference template, let me know. See WP:Cite for more instructions on how to cite.
What is Olive drab? Is this a para-military group, a group of re-enactors, a supply? What makes them reliable?
Reviewer: S Masters (talk) 03:36, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
Comments:
I will put this article On Hold for up to seven days. Let's try and see if we can resolve these issues.
Final summary: Thank you for all your work in making this a better article. I am confident that it now meets all the requirements for a Good Article, and can be passed. Well done! -- S Masters (talk) 07:39, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
This phrase is used verbatim twice in the article: "The Model 1200 is a takedown type of shotgun; meaning that it can be taken apart for easy storage and transportation." Just wondering if its necessary. Also, the term extremities is used once when discussing cleaning the weapon - just checking that this is the right term. Great article! Ragfin (talk) 14:03, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
Not only is it not necessary, it's not even true. While the Winchester 1887 and 12 were takedown models, the 1200 series lacks this ability. I have removed this section from the article.75.141.253.81 (talk) 17:06, 21 July 2016 (UTC)Tim
Hi, Shoulden't the page title be Winchester Model 1200, as with Winchester Model 1897, Winchester Model 1912 and most of the others? --Amendola90 (talk) 10:28, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
The article reads like it was adapted from a field manual for the military version. Most versions in circulation in the US are the civilian version for hunting and clay target shooting, some home defense use of the extended magazine version, and police use. It was intended to replace the Model 12, which also was used (in declining order of numbers) by hunters, target shooters, police and military. Naaman Brown (talk) 14:03, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
The Winchester Model 1200 pump action shotgun was developed in parallel with the Winchester Model 1400 semi-auto shotgun; (Numrich Gun Parts Corp. Firearms Parts Catalog lists a number of parts in common between the two models.) Naaman Brown (talk) 14:16, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
Had nothing to do with M1200's history, and is nothing more than standard military boilerplate to be found in technical manuals for any piece of equipment. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.152.84.99 (talk) 05:45, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
Only two wars are listed: Vietnam and Darfur. Surely a weapon that's so widespread and in US Army inventories as late as the 2000s was used in other wars the US was involved in? Hairy Dude (talk) 01:09, 22 April 2018 (UTC)
The Criminal Use section was recently removed with the explanation "This is just a list that doesn't explain the relevance of these crimes or how they impact the firearm in question. As such it's an undue list." I'm not sure why there's an expectation that listed items "impact" the firearm somehow (it's not part of WP:UNDUE), and it's unclear why this would apply to Criminal Use but not the adjacent list of Users. I support including this section as an expansion of our coverage on the topic. –dlthewave ☎ 03:01, 3 September 2020 (UTC)
Dlthewave, how can you possibly claim this is a reasonable list to have in the article? First, none of the listed shootings explain why they are significant with respect to this firearm. You haven't shown WEIGHT per ONUS, you have just restored a list. Now look at the citations here. A number are blogs and other unreliable sources. Some have no source at all. And again, per the long discussion we had here [[1]] I would hope that you get the idea of showing the relevance beyond, "well it was used in that crime". That isn't a standard that has been upheld.
Springee (talk) 03:34, 3 September 2020 (UTC)
Here's a shortened version with improved sourcing:
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–dlthewave ☎ 17:35, 4 September 2020 (UTC)
Side note, this article should probably be renamed to include 1300 since that is what the first sentence says the article covers. A number of the cited crimes use the 1300, not 1200. Springee (talk) 18:32, 4 September 2020 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Sourcing issues: inline citations missing for certain claims, some sources unreliable or failing WP:V. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 18:01, 24 April 2023 (UTC)
https://web.archive.org/web/20100427044015/http://www.winchesterguns.com/customerservice/qna/detail.asp?id=243 winchester timeline
https://modernfirearms.net/en/shotguns/u-s-a-shotguns/winchester-1200-2/
https://modernfirearms.net/en/shotguns/u-s-a-shotguns/winchester-1300-eng/ only slight modifications
https://www.gun-tests.com/shotguns/winchester-1200-defender-12-gauge/
https://tvd.im/small-arms/4966-winchester-model-1200.html 1200 manual
https://gunvalues.gundigest.com/winchester-repeating-arms/model-1300-series/ values/description of 1300 configs
https://www.militaryfactory.com/smallarms/detail.php?smallarms_id=109#specifications
https://www.militaryfactory.com/smallarms/detail.php?smallarms_id=231
http://pdf.textfiles.com/manuals/FIREARMS/winchester_1200.pdf
https://americanhistory.si.edu/collections/search/object/nmah_1159482#:~:text=Winchester%20Ranger%20Model%20120%20Slide%20Action%20Shotgun%20%7C%20National%20Museum%20of%20American%20History museum item description model 120
https://www.searsguns.com/single-post/2020/08/15/the-ted-williams-model-200-manual
Cinderella157 (talk) 06:25, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
Books
https://www.google.com.au/books/edition/The_History_of_Winchester_Firearms_1866/T-Irz4qHwsQC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=winchester+model+1200&pg=PA151&printsec=frontcover recoil reduction system from 1966 plus other details
https://www.google.com.au/books/edition/Gun_Trader_s_Guide_Thirty_Fourth_Edition/svRDCgAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=winchester+model+1200&pg=PA563&printsec=frontcover some 1300 versions
https://books.google.com.au/books?id=eWkKYPfhd_gC&pg=PA153&dq=winchester+model+1200&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi4nPTCqNb-AhU0mlYBHZuHDdYQ6AF6BAgDEAI#v=onepage&q=winchester%20model%201200&f=false 1200/1300 basically the same
https://www.google.com.au/books/edition/Winchester_Shotguns/iG2CDwAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=winchester+model+1200&pg=PT692&printsec=frontcover basic version of 1200
https://gunsmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/G1068.pdf recoil reduction system
https://www.google.com.au/books/edition/Winchester_An_American_Legend/5nSCDwAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=winchester+model+1200&pg=PT835&printsec=frontcover about 12 and 2200 models
Cinderella157 (talk) 11:06, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
https://www.rockislandauction.com/riac-blog/trench-gun-shotguns-for-ferocious-fighting
Cinderella157 (talk) 01:32, 3 May 2023 (UTC)
https://www.sandboxx.us/blog/the-last-trench-gun-the-winchester-1200/
https://www.americanrifleman.org/content/combat-shotguns-of-the-vietnam-war/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aurNniWx0v8 Ranger combo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5dazbwDOuM stripping
https://www.winchesterguns.com/content/dam/winchester-repeating-arms/support/faq/serial-number-reference/winchester-firearm-manufacture-dates.pdf serial numbers 120/1200/1300
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Winchester Model 1200's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "Jones":
Reference named "Davis":
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. Feel free to remove this comment after fixing the refs. AnomieBOT⚡ 15:35, 11 May 2023 (UTC)