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There will invariably be some stupid chav who wants to vandalise Wikipedia at public IPs such as universities and schools, you will never be able to stop all students everywhere from vandalising and being stupid, so the solution is to either block them or deal with the damage.
A possible solution could be to block unregistered users that are on public IPs, but enable them to make an account and then be able to post.
This idea is also a good one: Maybe there should be a team defining these ip's and a permanent message that cannot be removed by the user of the IP (this template can, unfortunately)
--195.194.75.204 14:16, 17 November 2005 (UTC) (West Kent College)
If we can get this in widespread use, the "WHAT?! This isn't my IP!" messages may finally come to an end! But to use it, you have to know who owns the address block. --Ardonik.talk()* 23:48, Sep 21, 2004 (UTC)
Read Wikipedia:Blocking policy proposal - it proposes this. You can also add your comments. --Hughcharlesparker 10:45, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
I want to use this on my schools IP address talk page but my school does not own the IP address it uses. Is it OK to use this template? --Tomwalden 18:07, 22 Sep 2004 (UTC)
I've added the following text:
If you are the unregistered user concerned, note that this need not necessarily be the IP address of your machine. In many cases, it turns out to be the IP address of a proxy server that communicates between your browser and the Wikimedia servers. Such proxies are shared among a huge number of users compared to the number of persons using your particular machine. If you are frustrated by such irrelevant comments, consider that you could avoid them by creating an account for yourself.
to the template, in the hope that this would reduce the no. of "this is not my IP!" comments. Note that what the template said until now only helped sysops make decisions of whether to block & didn't explain much to the anon. who actually would complain about the wrong IP address. -- Paddu 20:00, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)
I added an "Attention:" line to hopefully get anons to read the notice before reading the other comments on the page. It may be too strong, but I'm not sure. - Evil saltine 08:34, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
This template has been used for Comcast addresses. Yes, it is a dynamic IP, but only when you restart your modem (and only when it's off for a really long time). I don't know anyone who does this often (In the year I've had Comcast, I have only used 2 IPs). — Ilγαηερ (Tαlκ) 04:11, 13 July 2005 (UTC)
I'm not sure if this is a bug related to the recent upfgrade, or not. I think the heading markup <H3>Attention:</H3> is causing problems. Notice how there is now an [edit] link displayed in the template, as if it were a section in an article. I think this <H3>...</H3> markup is being translated into section heading markup. The result is that pages with a lot of sections have the TOC embedded in this template. Also, the various [edit] links do not point ot the correct sections. This also affects ((AOL)) which is based on this template. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 22:24, 16 July 2005 (UTC)
Maybe there should be a team defining these ip's, and "locking" the user talk pages so a giant pile of irrelevant messages don't gum up the works for newbies without an account, and a permanent message - "You are using an shared ip address, if you are a new wikipedian, click HERE" and have it link to an intro message?
This should be the first section on the Talk page!
I presume you just go to a whois service and copy the name of the company? pfctdayelise 01:41, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
hmm? i thought they said anons couldnt edit? 24.254.92.184 01:31, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
I agree. There should be a "how to use" section. I'm guessing the same, that you use a whois service, but the page that lead me here shows a different company. I guess this means that it's changed since the last edit. Jason Quinn (talk) 16:06, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
Suggest linking something in "will attempt to contact (({1))} and report this as network abuse" to WP:ISPS. 12.75.98.103 18:56, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
Can someone change the attention notice on this template to be consistant with the one on ((ISP))? I would do it myself, but the template is protected :\ --Mark Yen 19:22, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
Just placed this tag on User talk:62.236.76.8... How about a system where the IP could be banned, but a possibility to open a new account would remain? IMO that would keep the most vandals out, but let the "honest" people to contribute to Wikipedia. --Appelshine 12:28, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
This template is appropriate for static IP's and small pools of IP's (e.g. a pool of 3-8 IP's). If the IP address is part of a large and dynamic pool, please use Template:DynamicIP. -- 71.141.230.44 20:15, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
Where is this template supposed to be placed? It is listed under user namespace templates, but now that I've looked at this talk page, I get the feeling that I'm about to have to go move a whole lot of templates... -Mulder416 14:43, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
Any reason we don't redirect all of an ISPs pages to a single page? 81.244.252.19 18:10, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
you sure adding the category and thus removing the possibility of links is good? I've put in lots of these, and I almost always put a link in the parameter. --jpgordon∇∆∇∆ 19:00, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
I have added what I consider to be a vital piece of information to the template: However, you will still be unable to edit Wikipedia while the IP you are using is blocked. I've thought about adding another sentence referencing the Wikipedia:Blocking policy proposal and/or bugzilla:550, but I hesitate to link to either because the former might attract vandals, and the latter might be too "technical"(or "esoteric"? maybe "relying-on-knowledge-of-the-concept-of-bugs-in-software"?) to be useful to most people who will need to read this template. Phoenix-forgotten 18:00, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
I think this notice is without consensus (and goes against actual practice). I'm going to remove it. If there are good reasons to reinstate it, please discuss first. --Nlu (talk) 19:05, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
As a result of Tim Starling's recent work on MediaWiki Bug 550, it's now possible to soft block IP addresses. I've added the line " - if a block is needed, administrators should consider using a soft block." to the end of the first paragraph. --HughCharlesParker (talk - contribs) 18:07, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
I think we should get rid of the line that says:
The whole point behind this template should be assume good faith — specifically here, avoiding guilt by association. Therefore it is inappropriate to shout warnings at people. The template already lists the organisation above, so people dealing with abuse will already know who to report it to.
Bear in mind that this template ought to be usable in cases where there is no abuse associated with a particular shared IP address but it is still useful to note that not all the contributions necessarily come from the same user. The more that the wording assumes likely abuse, the less useful the template becomes for that purpose.
Thanks. — Alan✉ 14:58, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
I have to agree with AnonEMouse. Otherwise a Shared IPs becomes an open chequebook for immature vandals who think they can keep on getting away with it. As long as the notice doesn't directly accuse the editor of being a vandal, it's not a breach of assuming good faith in my honest opinion. -- Netsnipe ► 04:16, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
Is subst'ing this template preferred or only optional? If its preferred I could go through with AWB and subst them all. - Trevor MacInnis (Contribs) 04:43, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
I think it would be helpful for editors if the template provided for not only the name of the owner of the IP, but address, phone and e-mail contact address (for abuse). When anonymous users contemplate vandalizing, they will see that they are not so anonymous, being only one step away from being contacted personally. In some cases, this may be more effective than blocking. I can add all that info in now, but if it is part of the template, other editors will be prompted to fill in anything missing. Besides, there might be some useful text that could be added to clarify things. For example, "Serious vandalism or violation of Wikipedia policy will be reported to the following e-mail address." Any thoughts? Cbdorsett 16:25, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
I noticed all the VandalIP tags have now been merged here to SharedIP. I kinda liked the VandalIP template as it was only 2 paragraphs and to the point, without going into the technical stuff, so would fit on the top of an IP usertalk page without taking up too much space.[2] I think for the average new user, the XFF, admin blocking, and IT guy paragraphs might be too overwhelming. Would others agree to make this template collapsible, say after the first 2 paras, and expand the rest only if a More button is clicked?
Also, on a minor note, VandalIP and ISP etc templates use the light blue background template. Whilst I don't know the official boilerplate policy for things like this, users with SharedIP have done nothing wrong on Wikipedia, so can this template change from orange to light blue? Thanks --Bren talk 02:13, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
Why is "attention" in bold red print? It might look better in smaller print. 68.49.208.76 04:27, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
Why can't this template simply say:
"This IP is shared by many people/a company/a school and already has a history of nonconstructive edits to the Wikipedia project. Registration of a user name is required to edit from this IP address."
And then simply block non-logged in edits from the IP? Instead we allow it to persist on the hopes that more good edits will come from it than bad ones, yet IPs like this have a dark history of being little more than extra work for other editors. But we can't block it cause that would keep "potentially" good editors out. Does anyone else think smiling politely at the burglars will make them leave our stuff in the house? Or do you feel that keeping the window open is just letting more bugs in? --AeronPrometheus (talk) 10:37, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
The hostname WHOIS EL appears to now require a subscription. I didn't want to fix it in case there is a guideline as to what service to use, but it will need switched. JeremyMcCracken (talk) (contribs) 19:33, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
((editprotected)) Please remove the hyperlink from the "host" parameter value to the corresponding link on dnsstuff.com. It now brings up a "Where are my DNSstuff results?" page with sales offers. -- Danorton (talk) 02:09, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
((editprotected)) To eliminate unnecessary includeonly tags, and reposition the subst template identity tag, please replace the existing code with the following:
<div name="Attention notice" class="messagebox standard-talk" id="attention" style="padding: 5px 10px 5px 10px;"> <div style="font-size: 2em; color: red;">[[Image:Information_icon.svg|25px]] '''''Attention:'''''</div> This (( #if: (({host|))} | host, '''[http://www.robtex.com/dns/(({host))} (({host))}]''' | [[IP address]], <includeonly>'''(((({subst|))}PAGENAME))'''</includeonly><noinclude>''(IP address appears here)''</noinclude> )), is registered to '''(({1))}''' and may be shared by multiple users. If the organization uses [[proxy server]]s or [[Firewall (networking)#Network address translation|firewalls]], this IP address may in fact represent many users at many physical computers. For this reason, a message intended for one person may be received by another and a block may be shared by many. If you are editing from this address and are frustrated by irrelevant messages, you can avoid them by '''[[Special:Userlogin|creating an account]]''' for yourself. In some cases, you may temporarily be unable to create an account due to efforts to deal with [[Wikipedia:Vandalism|vandalism]]; if so, please see [[Wikipedia:Why create an account?#Blocked?|here]]. If you are [[Wikipedia:Autoblock|autoblocked]] repeatedly, we encourage you to contact your [[Internet service provider]] or IT department and ask them to contact [[Wikimedia Foundation|Wikimedia's]] [[meta:XFF project|XFF project]] about enabling [[X-Forwarded-For]] HTTP headers on their [[proxy server]]s so that our editing blocks will affect only the intended user. Alternatively, you can list the IP at [[Wikipedia:WikiProject on XFFs]]. ---- <span style="font-size: 90%">Caution should be used when blocking this IP or reverting its contributions without checking - if a block is needed, administrators should consider using a [[Wikipedia:Blocking policy#Setting block options|soft block]] with the template <tt>(([[Template:anonblock|anonblock]]|''optional comment''))</tt> as the block reason.</span> {| style="border:1px solid #A00; margin: auto auto 1em auto" | style="text-align:center" |'''Note:''' In the event of [[Wikipedia:Vandalism|vandalism]] from this address, [[WP:Abuse response|abuse reports]] may be sent to your network administrator for further investigation. |} <div style="text-align:center">((RSS-Atom feed notice|1=IT staff who want to monitor vandalism from this IP address))</div> </div> (((({subst|))}#ifeq:(((({subst|))}NAMESPACE))|User talk|[[Category:Shared IP addresses|(((({subst|))}PAGENAME))]]))<!-- Template:SharedIP --><noinclude> ((documentation)) <!-- Add cats and interwikis to the /doc subpage, not here! --> </noinclude>
--Bsherr (talk) 22:17, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
I've made some minor tweaks to the template, removing unneeded whitespace and the name="Attention notice"
declaration. the name
attribute is usually used on HTML forms; to the best of my knowledge it confers no semantic value here. If anyone disagrees with this please ping me and I'll revert it. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward: not at work) - talk 17:21, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
I put forward User:Bsherr/sandbox2 as a proposed change to this template. The code at this sandbox would use a new symbol and descriptive heading, adopt tmbox, make a few changes to text for conciseness only, and reorder information presented. I believe these changes will also make the code of this template friendlier for editors. Any comments? --Bsherr (talk) 21:06, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
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Since I think this is relatively uncontroversial, replace page with User:Bsherr/sandbox2 per WP:BRD. Let's see what happens. Thanks. --Bsherr (talk) 23:19, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
((edit protected))
Updated wording of text for accuracy and conciseness, and included innovations incorporated into Shared IP edu. Replace with Template:SharedIP/Sandbox. Thanks. --Bsherr (talk) 20:06, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
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Further consistency edits with other SharedIP templates, reducing margins around message boxes. Please replace with sandbox. --Bsherr (talk) 16:47, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
Adding a (host=) parameter appears to result in displaying extraneous info, which looks like some sort of CGI code. Specific example: the template code
generates the text
--Alan the Roving Ambassador (talk) 22:30, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
This message is to inform people monitoring this talk page that there is an "editprotected" request involving this and several other templates at Template talk:! cymru.lass (hit me up)⁄(background check) 20:28, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
After closing this TfD, I have boldly updated the code to use the friendlier version as suggested. Please feel free to revert this change if it is controversial or causes a problem. Thanks! Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 23:34, 9 March 2013 (UTC)
The documentation for Shared IP currently says "Where there is no indication of this, or where the IP appears to be static and used by only one person, the template should not be used." Does this imply to not use Shared IP but use a more appropriate template at Category:Shared IP header templates like ((Static IP)), or does it mean static IPs used by one person should not use any IP templates?—Bagumba (talk) 07:06, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
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Please remove the following:
In response to vandalism from this IP address, [[Wikipedia:Abuse response|abuse reports]] may be sent to its network administrator for investigation.
The Abuse Response project has been marked as historical. —/Mendaliv/2¢/Δ's/ 16:04, 11 November 2013 (UTC)
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I have a suggestion for a wording change: The RSS-Atom feed notice would read better if "Network administrators, to monitor..." were changed to "Network administrators wishing to monitor..." Eric talk 14:20, 16 November 2013 (UTC) Eric talk 14:20, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
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The WHOIS services linked to from within these templates are either offline (in the case of the old Toolserver service), only permit so many queries per day from a given IP (in the case of the domaintools.com
one), or only provide a raw WHOIS response, which isn't exactly easy to read unless you're familiar with WHOIS (the dnstools.com
one).
I've created a WHOIS query service on the new Tool Labs system, and propose that it is used over the current set. The sandbox for this template shows the appropriate changes - the only section which has changed is the third paragraph:
Your (( #if: (({host|))} |host, '''<code>[https://tools.wmflabs.org/splinetools/whois/domain/((urlencode:(({host))))} (({host))}]</code>''' ('''<code>[https://tools.wmflabs.org/splinetools/whois/ip/((urlencode:(((({subst|))}PAGENAME)))) (((({subst|))}PAGENAME))]</code>''')|[[IP address]], <includeonly>'''<code>[https://tools.wmflabs.org/splinetools/whois/ip/((urlencode:(((({subst|))}PAGENAME)))) (((({subst|))}PAGENAME))]</code>'''</includeonly><noinclude><code>''IP address''</code></noinclude>)), <includeonly>((#if:(({1|))}|</includeonly>is registered to '''(({1))}''' and <includeonly>))</includeonly> may be shared by multiple users, so you might receive messages on this page that were not intended for you.
The same change can be applied to all the templates listed above, as they are almost identical. (perhaps some factoring can be done here at some point...?)
The related template ((Whois))
is a little different, so I've created a separate sandbox version for that one. – Reticulated Spline (t • c) 17:52, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
[[:toollabs:splinetools/whois/domain/((urlencode:(({host))))}|(({host))}]]
[[:toollabs:splinetools/whois/ip/((urlencode:(({ip|(((({subst:|))}PAGENAME))))))}|((urlencode:(({ip|(((({subst:|))}PAGENAME))))))}]]
((Whois))
has been consigned to the bit-bucket as well; hadn't noticed that existed. Just as an aside, why would forcing HTTPS have been a bad thing, seeing as we're not downloading assets to include in a page, but merely linking to a page? My understanding was that scheme-relative URLs were only really of use when including JS/CSS within a page (particularly ones served over HTTPS) - could be talking rubbish here though! – Reticulated Spline (t • c) 00:32, 4 December 2014 (UTC)One of the products of the WMF projects is a set of CCBYSA3.0 templates. The more portable these templates are the more use they are. I would therefore challenge the use of interwiki links in templates. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 19:28, 4 December 2014 (UTC).
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Somehow it seems these two were missed. I updated their sandboxes so it should be an easy copy and paste. Thanks. 134.134.139.74 (talk) 16:20, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
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Please replace the contents of this template with the changes outlined in this sandbox comparison to fix an issue where multiple similar such templates on a talk page can cause duplicate ids. Thank you. — ((U|Technical 13)) (e • t • c) 05:22, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
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Hi Template editors! I am looking at IP templates, and I thought the icon in the image template could use some updating. What do you think of File:IP address icon.png as the new image for the IP template? Thanks!
CookieMonster755 (talk) 03:47, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
((edit template-protected))
template. Edgars2007 (talk/contribs) 10:49, 17 April 2015 (UTC)This edit request to Template:Shared IP has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
Wikipedia:WikiProject on XFFs is now a soft-redirect to meta:XFF project, so having sentences linking to both are redundant. Please remove "Alternatively, you can list this IP address at Wikipedia:WikiProject on XFFs". Thanks. Kharkiv07 (T) 23:13, 16 June 2015 (UTC)
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Replace
<code>[[:toollabs:splinetools/whois/ip/((urlencode:(({ip|(((({subst|))}PAGENAME))))))}|(((({subst|))}PAGENAME))]]</code>
with
<code>((PAGENAME))</code>
as the link when clicked leads to a page saying "The URI you have requested, /splinetools/whois/ip/x.x.x.x, is not currently serviced. [...] That tool might not have a web interface, or it may currently be disabled." --McGeddon (talk) 20:29, 21 December 2015 (UTC)
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The Administrators: review contributions carefully if blocking this IP address or reverting its contributions. If a block is needed, consider a soft block using Template:Anonblock. In response to vandalism from this IP address, abuse reports may be sent to its network administrator for investigation.
part needs to be wrapped in <span class="sysop-show">...</span>
to hide that text for non-admins.
Pppery 21:54, 15 November 2016 (UTC)
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Please add ((subst:tfm|IPlocation))
, per a nomination by KATMAKROFAN. Pppery 18:25, 28 January 2017 (UTC)
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I would like the contents of this template's sandbox added to this template as per this discussion. PhilrocMy contribs 13:57, 10 February 2017 (UTC)
noinclude
tricks are used that mean that the "live" template is going to differ in deployment from the version that shows up as a demo at the template's own page. I did it myself at Template:Shared IP/testcases, and it checks out, but many template editors will disable requests that are not testcased. So, the request is now: