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Hi, sorry about the business on AfD--I listed it because it was tagged for speedy deletion, and I though listing it was the thorough thing to do. However, it hasn't gotten any votes to delete, your points make sense, and I'm still not sure why it was tagged for speedy in the first place. So I withdrew the nomination and closed the discussion. However, I think the neologism question is about the term itself, not about the phenomenon. Would you mind if I moved the page to Hong Kong re-migration, which is the term used in the source you cite? Thanks, and sorry again about all this--the article is really fine. Chick Bowen 17:09, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
Basically, we try to use whichever is most appropriate to the subject matter (so theoretically US English would be limited to articles about American culture, history, or people). In practice, though, the general feeling is that people should respect each other's spelling, and there is resentment for people who go through articles and change spellings. I remember a furious war over the title of the article color/colour, though I can't remember who won. There's more information at this style sheet. Cheers, Chick Bowen 03:03, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
HongQiGong, you've proposed merging Hanja and Sino-Korean without giving any reasons. I think it would be useful to justify this suggestion. In my understanding, Hanja refers to the character set (the writing system, in fact) and Sino-Korean refers to the vocabulary (where Sino-Korean vocab is opposed to native vocabulary). Much Sino-Korean vocab is now written with hangul, not hanja, so it's rather simplistic to equate Hanja to Sino-Korean. Would be interested in hearing your arguments.
The three articles in Sino-Korean, Sino-Japanese, and Sino-Vietnamese all suffer in some degree to a failure to distinguish between vocabulary and writing system. Sino-Japanese, in particular, was extremely poorly conceived. Bathrobe 03:20, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
-Litefantastic 00:18, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
Hi. If you could look at the current revisions on the Yayoi period, I would appreciate your feed back although it might be a complete waste of time. Thanks. Tortfeasor 06:41, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
Hi, HongQiGong. I noticed you deleted the external reference for Zhonghua Minzu.
Actually, that article addresses one of the historical problems of the Zhonghua Minzu concept in a fairly revealing manner. Rather than simply cry out "Sinocentrism", it looks at the way in which the Zhonghua Minzu concept leads to the current Chinese position. Although it at no place used the word "Zhonghua Minzu", it is clear that that is what is meant:
This is highly pertinent to the issue of the "Zhonghua Minzu" and I'm not sure why you felt it was "irrelevant". Naturally, it is also a problem that there is only one external link in the article. It would be useful if more external links could be added that discuss Zhonghua Minzu as a whole, rather than one single aspect of it. But I don't believe that detracts from the value of this link.
I'm adding this explanation because I feel that re-adding the link needs some kind of supporting argument. Bathrobe 01:08, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
大哥,谢谢你帮保持这篇文章! It doesn't seem positive that the article will be deleted, a no consensus vote also seems likely. At any rate, I originally wrote the list for the Asian fetish article, so my vote is for remerging. But if it does become deleted, I'll support whatever decision you make with plentiful academic references. --Wzhao553 06:54, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
Hi, I removed Category:Overseas Chinese from Frank Chin. I believe he is a 4th generation Chinese. He has actually written extensively about how Chinese Americans should not be considered the same as Chinese, and would vocally object to being classified as "overseas Chinese." --Wzhao553 03:46, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
The talk page is a bit over-long, and I've noticed some sections that are clearly obsolete. Do you think we should start a "sections to be archived" section on the Talk page? Thanks for the intervention on the Middle Eastern thing, too. --ishu 21:18, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
No, it is not. I have deleted the redirect. Johnleemk | Talk 15:51, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
Greetings, I have been having the beginnings of a revert battle with an anonymous user, User:65.33.167.138, at the 2008 Summer Olympics article, I was wondering if you'd be kind enough to look in and give an opinion? Thanks. --RevolverOcelotX 04:51, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
Please refrain from undoing other people's edits repeatedly. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia under the three-revert rule, which states that nobody may revert an article to a previous version more than three times in 24 hours. (Note: this also means editing the page to reinsert an old edit. If the effect of your actions is to revert back, it qualifies as a revert.) Thank you. 72.65.68.229 05:57, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
Hi, I have translated the english article of the First Sino-Japanese War to Norwegian. However - on the chinese version of the article there is a map:
-and I would like to use it. I wrote the person that did the map but he was rather poor in english. I wonder if I could ask you translate the chinese names there to english? Most all Norwegian read english so that would be just fine with me, and with english names the map could possibly be inserted into the english version of the article as well. If you dont feel for doing it I would be happy if you gave me a tip about someone else that could. Best regards from Norway! Ulflarsen 09:19, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
You cannot revert the article Asian fetish to its 20:03 23 June 2006 version until after 20:03 24 June 2006 because any revert before this time will violate Wikipedia:Three-revert rule.--Dark Tichondrias 20:49, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
The 20:03 June 2006 version of the Asian fetish differed from my previous version by four edits. You have kept two additions and removed two. You cannot remove the last two until after 20:03 24 Juned because any total revert to the 20:023 June 2006 version will violate Wikipedia:Three-revert rule.--Dark Tichondrias 20:54, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
The criticism from authority is not a POV. Which part is the POV? Is it that Asian women are the supposed victims, causing them to be the highest authority? Or is it that non-Asian men are the ones who are supposed to be afflicted, causing them to be the second highest authority? Do you think Chin and Chan are clinical psychologists? All these statements have obvious answers which are not based on POV.--Dark Tichondrias 19:53, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
When you upload an image like this:Image:Kenneth Omura Sun Bikini 4.JPG, you lose a lot of credability in my eyes. Not to mention putting your homepages as sources and external links on Racial classification of Indian Americans
They pics on it look like a joke if not insulting and racist. --D-Boy 21:04, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
The links were purposeful in the argument. The links were there to support the arguments I was making against User:Lukobe. Could you elaborated on why you perceived them to be insulting and racist?
I cross dress and identify with different genders, but that does not make me less credible. Your opinion that my personal life makes me loose the credibility of my arguments might stem from a differing worldview from my own regarding transgendered people. Arguments which attack the character of the individual have no relevance on whether their arguments are strong. This is an informal fallacy of logic.--Dark Tichondrias 21:20, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
Dark Tichondrias - Once again, you put words in my mouth. I never said that Asian men held the least bias concerning the subject matter. All this discussion about it is pointless. Like I've said before, do you have sources for the claim made in the section? Otherwise, it is POV and original research. It is not verifiable, nor is it credible. Hong Qi Gong 21:09, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
Hi, I notice you've been updating the Hong Kong news on the portal. I have replaced the skeleton of Portal:Hong Kong and you will need to edit a new page to add news now. Ideogram 14:02, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
In order to get Featured Portal status we need to create archives of our rotating content. When you delete old news entries please save them to Portal:Hong Kong/Hong Kong news archives. Thanks. Ideogram 20:21, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
Actually you can merge old news items into Current events in Hong Kong and Macao. Ideogram 20:49, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
You have made 3 reverts in less than 24 hours, so if you choose to make a forth revert on the article Sex crimes against Asian women in the United States,you will have broken the 3 revert rule.--Dark Tichondrias 20:32, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
Twenty four hours since your first revert will be after 7:05 June 2, 2006.--Dark Tichondrias 20:35, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
You have made 3 reverts in less than 24 hours, so if you choose to make a forth revert on the article Asian fetish, you will have broken the 3 revert rule. Twenty four hours since your first revert will be after 6:23 June 2 2006.--Dark Tichondrias 20:42, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
Yes, thank you. I'm well aware. Hong Qi Gong 20:43, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
Hello! I stole your anti-racist userbox. I hope you don't mind? Drenched 20:55, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
I just reversed and expounded upon the distinction between the modern/evolved context of Chinaman as pejorative and its onetime widespread usage without derogatory contexts. You may not like this, but what I don't like is having someone from another culture/language coming and making pronouncements on my culture/language that are only based in political and cultural insecurity and wheedling. There IS a distinction between offensiveness and common usage for MANY words in English, and in other languages. But then there's "gwai lo", which is specifically derogatory and remains in common use in Cantonese and, yeah, there is no apparent distinction between its derisive and casual sense; but the endemic racism of Chinese culture should not be assumed/trasnposed of others. "Chinaman" remains the ONLY word for Chinese person in many North American native languages, by the way; and its origin are in Chinese-English pidgin, though Chinese politicos like to maintain "it was invented by white people to abuse Chinese people with". No, we had OTHER words for that. We also had "Oriental" and "Celestial", both of which were respectfully meant but have also been pronounced (by Chinese commentators on anglo culture) as "racist" and "derogatory". Really? How's that again? "Celestial" is in reference to "subject of the Son of Heaven" and is somewhat akin on context to "British subject", and was meant in a complimentary, even respectful fashion; but Chinese insecurities demand that it be pronounced "racist". Fix your own language's many racist and sexual biases before demanding other cultures kowtow to your need to rewrite history to suit yourselves; "hak gwai" - there's another charming racist phrase that remains in common use in Cantonese, and remains derisive.Skookum1 18:25, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
I wasn't speaking to your personally but in the context of the white-bashing common amongst the New Chinese here in Vancouver, whose ongoing rewrite of my city's history and culture is getting REALLY GRATING. "cultural insecurity and wheedling" wasn't mean to YOU, but to the overall sense of "everyone else humiliated us and we want revenge" - "humiliated" being as defined by the insecure, and more often perceived than real. In the case of chinaman, that's an old dialect word around here that was made a political football; by the same people who defend the use of gwai lo; since you DO think that term is offensive, might I suggest you apply the same standards of judgement to gweilo as you have to chinaman. It was your edit presupposing that there is no distinction between non-derisive uses of Chinaman vs the derisive context it has acquired that set me off, as I am subjected to "gwai lo" and the attitudes that go with it on an everyday basis; but the pretense is that it's OK to use because there's no other word (while there actually are). Fine, I didn't mean to offend YOU, but I do take major offense when the standard knee-jerk presuppositions about "white" English word usages are made, over and over again (see HongCouver).Skookum1 21:00, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
I really am sorry for what sounds like a racist statement ("chinese insecurity") but to appreciate why it's a valid statement (about Chinese political/cultural behaviour/writing in my area) you'd have to know BC history, and have been subjected to the politicization and revision of our history to suit the political tub-thumping of the "New Chinese" and also the way they hijacked the Head Tax Redress issue as a political football (one of my Chinese-Canadian friends, third-generation, says most of the Head Tax payers and families are offended by the way the issue has been appropriated by the new breed, who are notably discriminatory against the older-stock Chinese; it's between CAnadian citizens and their government, as my friend and others have said, and does not concern the New Chinese; except as being a racially-defined agenda. Now they've got their apology and redress, but the word is that the apology wasn't enough, and "they" (the politicos) now want a stronger apology and, of course, more money. The insecurities are so strong here that even the word "Chinese" is avoided in public discussions and the Chinese politicos prefer to use "Asian" now, in order to paint it as a yellow-white i.e. racist divide, rather than a purely cultural one (as is the case). If you ever visit here, be sure to go to Yaohan Centre or Aberdeen Centre in Richmond; you'll have no trouble; but if you try and bring in a non-Chinese, even a Filipino or Korean, you'll find hostility and, if you weren't Chinese, comments about "go to your own shopping centres, this one is for Chinese people". The wheedling is endless here; condo developments which are marketed exclusively in Chinese, even marketed exclusively in China; excuses made for problems like "astronaut kids" (the parents ditch their kids in a condo, give them a car and a credit card, and disappear for months on end; when the problem went public the Chinese political types claimed that the criticism was "racist" because they were Chinese. Similarly, when over 125,000 people were discovered to have bribed examiners and translators in order to get driver's licenses, the Chinese political/cultural organizations blocked any prosecutions by complaining that the prosecutions would be racist because 97% of them were Chinese. That's why "racist" has acquired a bad taste in our mouths, as has any overly casual invocation of it; likewise any assumption that "anything white people say is racist". OK, so you don't have this experience; but you should be aware of it; and aware that words like Chinaman (as with Oriental and Celestial and Son of Heaven) evolved and were commonly used without any racist connotation (and were originally an adaptation of the Chinese pidgin form chinee-man, so therefore weren't "invented to discriminate against Chinese people with" - which is quote from either Victor Yukmun Wong or Jenny Kwan, who led the charge against chinaman years ago in a big local controversy about what was by then an archaic word, but got revived because of the controversy); simply a statement of different culture; in Chinook and other native languages, as explained elsewhere, it is also the adjectival form and not just a noun chinaman muckamuck (Chinese food), chinaman laswey (Chinese silk). Of course, most native languages use words for non-natives that are intrinsically derisive; the language in the town I'm originally from (http://www.cayoosh.net - see http://www.cayoosh.net/chinaman.html, which I wrote) uses sama7 (7=glottal stop), which is so vulgar/ugly that none of my native friends are willing to translate it; yet it's their only word for us, other than the Chinookisms whiteman (as in cultus whiteman - damned whitey) and boston (in the Fraser Canyon in the old days most/many whites were from the US; boston man is standard Chinook Jargon for an American, or w/wo the man suffix is used like chinaman as an adjective, e.g. boston tolla - American money.
The twisting of language to tub-thump and browbeat has gotten further play here is endless; the two sobriquets HongCouver and Vankong were invented by new-Chinese street youth here, and none of the rest of us even liked the damn terms because it reminded us how much our own society had been overwhelmed (ESL rates in Vancouver schools have resulted in poorer grades for non-ESL students because of the diverted resources). But despite the known origins of these terms, and the fact that they're not really used, the politicos like to maintain that they're in common usage by whites, which they're not and, frankly, we wish we'd never heard them. It's not us who use them; it's the politicos who complain that we do who are the ones that keep the terms alive. As also with chinaman, which in my youth was simply "quaint"; something you'd hear an old-timer or a native use, but no one else; if we wanted to be racist, there are of course other much worse words available....Skookum1 21:34, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
And I'll admit maybe it is revanchism on my part, but that's a response to racist treatment. When I was in university, I tried to get a summer job as a bellhop at the Bayshore Inn, a classy five-star on Vancouver's Coal Harbour famous for Howard Hughes hanging his hat on the penthouse floors for a couple of years, plus the original Trader Vic's; I went in an asked for an application from the bell captain; he and the other guys laughed and laughed and told me "we only hire orientals for this job". I had a job with the ad agency that managed the HongKong Bank's account, even learning to read Chinese numbers and titles so as to do the buy-checking, but the Bank insisted that they get a Chinese person in my position and that my willingness to learn Mandarin wasn't good enough. All over Vancouver, and in Vancouver's job listings, you'll see "Chinese an asset", which is a way of saying "no non-Chinese need apply". You go to dim sum, if you're not with a Chinese person, they'll seat you in a side area, and more. So when I hear comments like, as you often do in the sophomoric press and places like the net, that "white people don't know what it's like to experience racism", all I can do is snort/choke and try and laugh. But it's not a laughing matter, not when people use their culture/race as an excuse to ignore the norms and expectations of the other culture(s) around them, as they do here.Skookum1 21:39, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
Backgrounder on what I mean about the politicized revisions of BC history now too-commonplace in our media and curriculum; the comments forum following the article at http://thetyee.ca/Books/2006/06/20/EmilysMonkey/ (look for same username, Skookum1)Skookum1 21:48, 6 July 2006 (UTC)Search for the phrase "Interestingly, the Chinese and other non-whites" to find the beginnings of the posts in question, though what comes before is variously interesting in terms of local historiography and culture, which you're probably not interested in and don't need to wade through to find the bits I'm talking about; there is some farther back up the page that this section refers to; search "Anti-Oriental Riots" on the page and you'll find the bit that the later section is explaining.Skookum1 22:00, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
Editor Nat Krause seems to have just redirected back, without discussion. Badagnani 22:30, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
Your right. My apologies for editing that article incorrectly. I will become a member to edit better. Also I apologize for what you might consider to be anger towards the article. As a soldier I have a particular interest and didnt consider the fact that Wikipedia is a nuetral portal to knowledge. Again please accept my apologies and perhaps in the future we can share knowledge instead of me changing it.
Best regards Sgt F
That deserves it's own article. It's mentioned on the Spider-Man page, but going into detail about it on Spider-Man would not really be worthwhile.Bethereds 17:21, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
Other than the "may" conditional qualifier, stating that about someone is NOT a personal attack, but a comment on the irksomeness of your hypocritical judgements of MY posts and also to my responses to your veiled attacks on ME; you claim that you're not calling me a racist, but you're imputing it all the time; just as here you're attacking me while claiming I was attacking you. What I was saying is that your circular defenses are annoying, and they're a pain in MY ass; I said nothing about your ass.Skookum1 17:38, 11 July 2006 (UTC) PS in case you go "no profanities" to my use of "ass", ass is not a profanity. It may have been before the 1960s, and in places of the world still locked in puritanical mentalities, but it is not a profanity, just as my comment was not a personal attack; merely a comment on the mild irritant that your attacks on me have become.Skookum1 17:42, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
Look, I can't help it if you operate in a puritanical linguistic mentality dating from before the 1960s; suggesting in fact that while English may be one of your native languages, you don't get the difference between sharp language and personal attack, or between mild invective and actual profanity (profanity? sheesh. "shit" stopped being vulgar about 30 years ago, fer chrissake (to use another, which also is no longer profane; not in my dialect anyway); and it's you who attacked me, not the other way around. The only other editor who's attacked me is TravB, and that had to do with me correcting a falsehood on a US history page (and we know how sensitive they are); the one editor who advised me to "calm" was not doing so in a put-down way, and included a smiley. What you should do is realize the falsity of the positions you've been defending, rather than inciting me to respond to your attacks; I'm going to largely disengage from you because you're a waste of time, and you talk in circular twaddle, making attacks while alleging them. Seems to me you're trying to rally support to have me blocked because of my criticisms of sinocentric history pages; yawn, yawn, and more yawn.Skookum1 18:20, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
Youi remind me of the sino-propagandists on UseNet, from both KMT and CCP factions, who kept on threatening to have ISPs block posters; many of them themselves got blocked because of their abusiveness and endless accusations and posturings. You're not Joseph Askew, are you?Skookum1 18:21, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
Hey, you're the one who wants there to be an article on Chinese delivery boys in NYC getting beaten up, as though this were encyclopedia material; so how about we write up something on Chinese thugs introducing the tender art of home invasion on elderly white people in BC, because of the stereotype that old white people are passive and easy to violate? You're operating in a double standard, Hong, and it's nothing new to me as I've seen your kind of crud before in UseNet; you fulfill various stereotypes while claiming that you shouldn't be saddled with them. If it walks like a horse, and it talks like a horse, and it s**ts like a horse, you're trying to tell us it's a camel. LOL. I'm going to be smiling the rest of the day, laughing at your self-righteousness. Self-righteousness is a synonym for hypocrisy IMO.Skookum1 18:37, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
You just don't get it, do you? You present a victim stereotype of the Chinese being seen (supposedly) as passive, I present a parallel stereotype and what I can assure you is a much bigger problem than your delivery boys in NYC: no doubt something that makes all the HK papers, but not something that matters in the bigger scale of things. I wasn't "justifying" one against the other, just pointing how much you have your own tub-thumping agenda; repetitive mentions of Vancouver and BC are pointful to me because of the different context in this city, which is very different from anywhere else in North America, even Toronto; and because there's so much fuzzy ethnocentric history written on articles addressing that city. And FYI I give Americans and Eastern Canadians just as much a hard time for their hackeneyed false histories as I do those put forward by Sino-Canadian politicos; it has nothing to do with "race", as you are once again implying; what it has to do with is differing cultures and worldviews in conflict, not with "race", which is seen around here as a standard dodge; just as with the item about ethnically biased condo advertising had to do with language rather than skin colour/race. But it's obvious at this point that you're just attacking me because I dared disagree with you and point up the fallacies in your own worldview. It's old hat, everything you're saying, and your attacks on me fall in the category of "let he who is without sin cast the first stone".Skookum1 22:31, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
Did I say you were responsible??? NO.....but you sure are good at trying to put words in other peoples' mouths, it seems. Bore-ing....Skookum1 01:26, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
And since you've never been to BC, could it be that your opinions as to whether or not English-language advertising discriminated "racially" against Chinese, French and Latinos was totally irrelevant and very much a red herring re the context of the discriminatory Chinese-only marketing of everything from condos to shopping centres around here? The issue is culture and self-segregation and exclusionism, not racism; but to you, it sounds like racism because you're assuming things that just don't apply in this very peculiarly multiculturally-driven place...Skookum1 01:29, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
What you're saying are borderline racist comments of mine are my response to the not-so-borderline racism of the many Chinese-Canadian history pages, which stereotype whites and paint a completely distorted picture of the circumstances and times involved, i.e. from a purely ethnically-biased standapoing. And if you're not interested in VAncovuer, why did you start to kibbitz with me in the first place? Oh- that c-word business; but this is the point; in the history of BC especially, but also throughout the Pacific Northwest, the word was NOT necessarily a bad word and to many people (including Chinese-Canadians of long-standing) it still isn't; it's only the recent arrivals/arrivistes and other Chinese who've made it such a big issue; as indicated by the Mark Twain quote cited by User:Human Fetishist. I'm just the messenger; I was raised to be liberal, tolerant and accepting; but that is anything but what the "New Chinese" are often like, with notable exceptions such as the Hon. David Lam, who cautioned the HKers against arrogance when they first arrived. Are you going to call him a racist too? This is my point; the issues on the pages addressed by me relate to my local culture; while Chinaman may be an ugly word in NYC and Toronto, it has a history of NOT being an ugly word in my part of the continent. So while you're not interested in VAncovuer, it serves as a case in point that rank generalizations about what white people believe and why they use certain words are inherently fallacious when dealing with the particular history and culture of this area. And as noted previously, I'm just as down on Americans who write history and culture pages that connect to Canada that are full of errors, misconceptions, and downright slanders; equally with Central Canadians. My own family has a history that includes linguistic and social discrimination by the "mainstream", and we're white; as my Chinese buddies at the coffee shop today realized when discussing some of this, it wasn't "just Chinese people who were discriminated against", which is the gist of the tub-thump that you and others seem to cherish so deeply. And you're full of equivocations and generalizations, and obviously have some pretty callous attitudes towards people who disagree with you; and do that stupid game of attacking someone and when they respond, you attack them for attacking you. A bit worse than passive-aggressive, and also highly disingenuous; or just ignorant. There - is that a personal attack? No - because you've said straight out you don't care about Vancouver or BC, but that doesn't mean you have a right to dismiss the history and culture of the place out-of-hand when it relates to articles under discussion, as with Chinaman or even more particularly with History of Chinese immigration to Canada. If you don't really care about Vancouver/BC/Canada why were you monitoring the latter page? The white bogeyman is in your mind, HongQiGong (I can't bring myself to call you "hong" because that's a rankly racist expression here, unlike chinaman). Go back to your goldfish.Skookum1 07:19, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
Why do "you guys" have to put words into other people's mouths in order to justify your claims they are racist. I mean you Bethereds; you're even worse than HongQiGong. The discussions which HongQiGong jumped in on had to do with Vancouver, and the rewriting of BC/Vancouver history by people so new to the province that many of them don't even bother (or condescend) to learn English; but then proceed to make gross generalizations; or, when that fails, to make up things they allegedly said or did - which they did'nt. All to have something to wrap themselves in the cloth of righteousness, even though fabricating history is one of the more venal things you can do. Oh well, "he who listens to the counsel of fools is himself a fool" (a quote from one of my DNA-defined cultures), so Hong it looks like you've found a colleague. And me, I've found something else (and someone else) to laugh at for the rest of the daySkookum1 14:38, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
Dude, I didn't say you were racist.Bethereds 14:57, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
Skookum1, these are some things I've said many times already. You need to pay attention.
--- Hong Qi Gong 15:04, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
Hi guys. A couple of observations:
I hope you guys work something out here and keep making good contributions in Article space. Cheers! --Ds13 16:56, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
You intruded on BC/Vancouver-related history/culture discussions, and attacked my positions by impugning all kinds of things, indirectly said or not. But all too directly said. And stop referring to yourelf in the third person; it is very immature. I'm done with you; go away.Skookum1 18:40, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
But it has a different history in my part of the continent; you're pretending that its meaning/history in the UK and elsewhere in North America is the same —Preceding unsigned comment added by Skookum1 (talk • contribs)
Well, sweetie, wouldn't it help if you'd stay off mine. Unwatching you now, but anyone reading this be advised that everything exampled above is a further example of the humiliation times white bogeyman paranoia that typifies HQG's mentality; and his pretension that because Chinaman is used "all over North America and the UK" means that it has the same history and context throughout that turf; yet if he bothered to learn any history but the prejudiced views of his own culture, he'd have picked up on User:Heqs example and my various comments that in the Pacific Northwest and California, and especially in BC it has a more casual sense, especially historically. The pretense that it is "inherently racist" is all the more ethno-twaddle crap because it's pretty clear from the history of the word that it was an adaption of the Chinese-English pidgin as used and invented by the Chinese themselves. That it was "always racist" is complete and utter b.s. And HGQ, where the hell is the explanation of what white people were called before the Opium Wars, which is when gweilo was supposedly invented out of resentment towards outside domination? UNWATCHING NOW and stay off my own talk page with your ethno-political nonsense.Skookum1 21:10, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
For a little more context on the discussion, here's a good article about how racism is perceived[4]. --- Hong Qi Gong 21:59, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for fixing the Kaifeng Jews page with the huge gap between paragraphs. It looks a hell of a lot better! (!Mi luchador nombre es amoladora de la carne y traigo el dolor! 18:40, 13 July 2006 (UTC))
He was supposed to be a mediator but was not neutral at all and kept on insulting me. He is bad. -Chiang Kai-shek 17:40, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
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Ni hao! I left a note on the Eurasian talk page, but also wanted to give you the reference to the wiki policy directly. Please see Wikipedia:Refactoring talk pages#Prune for more information regarding removing inappropriate comments from talk pages.
If you ever need to cite "proof" of vandalism, you can always cite the history of a page, which is never deleted. Removing things from the current version just helps keep things clean, neat, polite, and appropriate. --JereKrischel 07:42, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
I've started working on this in my userspace at User:CaliforniaAliBaba/Koryo saram. Not really sure what to call it yet, though, since the Soviet Union doesn't exist anymore, "Ethnic Koreans in the former Soviet Union" seems too unwieldy, and Koryo-saram isn't English (and someone might insist on moving it to "Goryeo-saram" even though no one spells it that way in order to be consistent with the romanisation). If you have any material, feel free to edit it in. I'm starting, of course, from the articles in this thread =). I'll probably move it into the main namespace once I fill out that skeleton outline. cab 14:15, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
Hi, there. Just wanted to draw your attention to the possibility of you breaking the 3RR policy on the Senkaku Islands page. If you make a fourth revert 24 hours from your first one you might get blocked.
I'm just letting you know, as I didn't make the last change. Thanks, John Smith's 23:38, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
I've reverted your change to Senkaku Islands. Normally I hate getting involved in edit conflicts but in this case I personally cannot see anything wrong with the current formulation and feel that the adding of Taiwan to the name would help users whore are more used to seeing the ROC referred to as "Taiwan" than as "The Republic of China". Rather than continuing the revert war, I'd appreciate it if you could outline your objections on the article's talk page; I accept that it's possible that there is something I am missing and am open to hearing your side of the issue, I'd just rather not have the article constantly changing while the only discussion is in edit summaries. --Daduzi talk 05:47, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
Hi. I see you've moved all of the articles in Category:Chinese-American actors to Category:Chinese American actors, and listed the older category for speedy deletion. If you'd like to rename a category in the future, please make a proposal at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion instead of making the change manually. Also, please note that speedy deletion only applies to categories that have been empty for more than four days. See Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion for more information. Thank you! - EurekaLott 17:57, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
Why you disagree with spliting the project into two instead? Don't you think it's not good to have any of the two inheriting the past of the project? The original project should be serving as the archive of both new projects. — Instantnood 16:56, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
Why can't you agree with commencing in August? There was no discussion over the matter in June, and in July the discussion was in process. — Instantnood 17:54, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
As long as the news stories are translated accurately from Chinese and/or Portuguese, it's just fine. I myself haven't come across any English-language Macao press that has a presence on the internet. — Instantnood 21:58, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
Please stop insisting on your cut-and-paste fork. From August 1, 2006 onwards they have already been two projects. Apparently there was no discussion at all over the split proposal in June 2006. Actual discussion with wide participation didn't take place until late July. There's little ground to do the split in June or July, not to mention doing so by cut-and-paste fork. — Instantnood 16:18, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
Woha, You have so violated 3RR, i will remain neutral for now and just warn you. But i advsie that you both make no more reverts for now.
Please refrain from undoing other people's edits repeatedly. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia under the three-revert rule, which states that nobody may revert a single page more than three times in 24 hours. (Note: this also means editing the page to reinsert an old edit. If the effect of your actions is to revert back, it qualifies as a revert.) Thank you. Matthew Fenton (contribs) 18:54, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
Hi Hong Qi Gong! There appears to be a fair but real dispute on this article. I have opened an article RFC on the above talkpage (There were two talkpages to choose from, I selected which one by tossing a coin). Please comment if there are things you wish to add. Sjakkalle (Check!) 08:11, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
I noticed that you tagged the page Template:Demographics of South Africa for speedy deletion with the reason "Appears to be an incomplete template not used by any articles". However, "Appears to be an incomplete template not used by any articles" is not currently one of our criteria for speedy deletion, so I have removed the speedy deletion tag. You can use WP:TFD if you still want the page to be deleted. Thanks! Stifle (talk) 23:28, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
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Hello, it’s really good news that the HK news section is being maintained again, I think everyone appreciates your effort. But I am not sure if it’s the best way to do the thing to take a direct quote from the Standard everyday. For one thing, that kind of journalistic style is not necessarily appropriate for Wikipedia. Perhaps you can try to rephrase the quotes from time to time. By the way, we should not use words like “today” or “yesterday” in an encyclopedia article, even in a news section. Cheers.--K.C. Tang 01:04, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
It was in fact part of the proposal to move Government of Hong Kong to Hong Kong Government, as per the common and conventional short name of the executive branch, and to create government of Hong Kong as a topical article covering all aspects of government (now resided at government of Hong Kong/temp). — Instantnood 22:21, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
In that case you are also warned, given that you have reverted three times. John Smith's 22:03, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
Please refrain from undoing other people's edits repeatedly. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia under the three-revert rule, which states that nobody may revert a single page more than three times in 24 hours. (Note: this also means editing the page to reinsert an old edit. If the effect of your actions is to revert back, it qualifies as a revert.) Thank you. John Smith's 22:47, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
It's a pity we didn't have time to debate properly the issue you raised on the CFD page about ancestral homes. Maybe if you've got there sooner ... Starting from where we are now, I'd suggest going with that idea from David Kernow about creating a set of category names that make their use unambiguous, maybe as "Ancestral home in zzz". I see there's already an article Ancestral home that could be linked up to make things clearer. Then if anyone challenges the validity of those categories we'd certainly see a debate that's better focused. --Mereda 15:31, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
A request for mediation has been filed with the Mediation Committee that lists you as a party. The Mediation Committee requires that all parties listed in a mediation must be notified of the mediation. Please review the request at Wikipedia:Requests for mediation/Nanking Massacre, and indicate whether you agree or refuse to mediate. If you are unfamiliar with mediation, please refer to Wikipedia:Mediation. There are only seven days for everyone to agree, so please check as soon as possible.
Zhenghe is a famous overseas Chinese and he is not Han Chinese. Overseas Chinese doesn't only refer to overseas Han Chinese. Edipedia 19:49, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
"华侨" refers to those overseas Chinese who permanently live outside China. Every Chinese people can be referred as "华人", whether they live within or outside China. Edipedia 21:23, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
You can see the terminology section of overseas Chinese.Edipedia 21:28, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
There is another more commonly used phrase "海外華人" for overseas Chinese. In that sense Zheng He is an overseas Chinese. Edipedia 21:33, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
Chinese people temporarily living outside China qualify most as overseas Chinese (海外華人). Nobody considers Lucy Liu, Michelle Kwan overseas Chinese. At least, people consider them American citizens first. So citizenship matters more. Technically speaking, Zheng He(鄭和) is overseas Chinese and his example is used in the History section of overseas Chinese. Overseas Chinese are not just Han Chinese. Edipedia 15:48, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
Please refrain from undoing other people's edits repeatedly. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia under the three-revert rule, which states that nobody may revert a single page more than three times in 24 hours. (Note: this also means editing the page to reinsert an old edit. If the effect of your actions is to revert back, it qualifies as a revert.) Thank you. Edipedia 16:00, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
When you are doing an AfD on an article that had previously been nominated for deletion, you need to create a new AfD page, rather than blanking the old one. Please be careful. Thanks. --Nlu (talk) 04:03, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
It is completely unacceptable to depopulate a category and immediately put it up for speedy deletion. If you disagree with the category and do not get the outcome you want at WP:CFD, please continue to discuss the matter. You might want to review dispute resolution to see what options are available to you. Shell babelfish 20:40, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
I have reported him for 3RR violation, but that doesn't seem enough, as he is resorting to pure vandalism, including repeated blanking and obvious illegitimate warnings now. He isn't even bothering to discuss - not saying that he did really discuss in the past as he didn't really pay attention to anything explained to him. Aran|heru|nar 15:41, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
Please respond to my discussion in Chinese people article. Otherwise I'll think you accept my explanations. Editor 1 20:34, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
Afd is a discussion, not a vote, the tally doesn't really matter in the end. In this case, there were convincing arguments made for keeping, which weren't countered by anyone. And now that you mention it, I probably should've closed it as a keep, since everyone arguing for the deletion were basing their "vote" on a proposed guideline, without addressing the points already brought up in the discussion. - Bobet 09:22, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
This is getting out of hand. 3 sockpuppets, 2 of which broke the 3RR? We need a very, very hard punishment here for Edipedia: For breaking 3RR 6 times, for personal attacks, for disruption in Administrators' noticeboard, for illegitimate warnings, for very long edit warring, for pure vandalism, for trolling (his recent edits are obvious trolling, see their edit summaries), and, of course, for 3 sockpuppets. Think we should take it to Arbcom or somewhere? At least a one month block for Edipedia and an indef for all his sockpuppets, I say. I have reported him in 3RR, Incidents, and Sockpuppets, none of which seemed to be getting attention from important admins. Any suggestions of how to stop Edipedia? Perhaps leave a note on an admin's talk page? This is pure vandalism, no longer a content dispute. Aran|heru|nar 02:39, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
That's disgusting. You need to have hard evidence, not just your imaginations! Edipedia 16:10, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
Please refrain from undoing other people's edits repeatedly. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia under the three-revert rule, which states that nobody may revert a single page more than three times in 24 hours. (Note: this also means editing the page to reinsert an old edit. If the effect of your actions is to revert back, it qualifies as a revert.) Thank you. 69.170.35.211 05:58, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
I'll keep an eye on him; I've noticed that in addition to the 3RR violations he has also been repeatedly incivil. He's been here since July and has over 500 edits, so an indefinite block might be too controversial at this point. If he continues to cause problems, you can request a Checkuser to see if the other accounts are really him. RFCU is down for the weekend because of Labor Day (there aren't a lot of people here with Checkuser permissions), but it should be back by Tuesday. You can also use the Incidents page of the administrators' noticeboard. --Idont Havaname (Talk) 18:41, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
Please stop recreating the fork. If you genuinely want to change the title of the entry, request to remove the fork and move the entry. Please stop making trouble. Thanks in advance. — Instantnood 21:07, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
Please do not speedy articles which have been through the AfD process. For example, the article Sally Yoshino went through the AfD process and was kept. Please see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sally Yoshino. --TruthbringerToronto (Talk | contribs) 22:20, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the message, HongQiGong. Yes, I agree, we're just going around in circles in the discussions. It's for the best of us to talk this thing out. I certainly agree with you that they don't all deserve stand-alone articles. That's why I complained so much about the deletion of the List of Japanese female porn stars. Listing individual names in the field, to my understanding, only requires a test of verifiability, not notability (assuming we agree the List itself is notable). Notability is required for a stand-alone article, and I have agreed with your nomination in deleting one that was clearly not notable. As for discussing with me before you nominate them, I'm honored you make the offer. But what I suggest is, if you have problems with an article's sources, notability, or whatever, tag the article for fixing. Simply tagging articles for deletion without any attempt at checking for sources or notability first seems intentionally provocative. If, after a resonable period of time, nothing constructive is done to improve the article, then we can start a discussion for deletion. I'll be happy to offer my input then, and I won't just say Keep on every nomination without real consideration of the subject. As for the two models you mention now: Japanese Amazon shows 23 videos, 20 DVDs, and 4 books for An Amazon search shows Manami Yoshii (吉井愛美). Google gives 230,000 hits (no, that's not proof of notability, I'm just saying that one of those 230,000 hits may very well give us a source of notability.) Personally, this amount of visibility at a mainstream site would lead me to consider her notable. What a consensus at a discussion would be, I cannot say. 澪花 has 7 books, 5 DVDs, 2 Videos. I'd say, while verifiable, that's pretty low for an article. Put it up for discussion, and unless someone can prove more notability, I'd agree with you on that one. Regards. Dekkappai 03:21, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
I think it is better to use WP:AN/I to ask about this. Indefinite blocks to users with several hundred edits should probably be proposed to the community first. I am fine with the indefinite blocks to the sockpuppets, since they have been used disruptively. --Idont Havaname (Talk) 23:39, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
I am not going to revert to what I originally wrote, please feel proud of your edit. But explain to me why it is so incredibly important to you that we don't list the governemt of Taiwan under the name it actually uses, The Republic of China (Taiwan). --Niohe 04:59, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
Welcome to the club of reverting three times. Now, should I block you or shall we ask User talk:John Smith M.D., Ph.D to do it? ;-) --Niohe 00:08, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
Please don't do redirection regarding chinese msian/msian chinese until the vote has been resolved. __earth (Talk) 04:31, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
If you bothered to check, I have not made three reverts to the same version on the page yet. I have made several different edits in an attempt to resolve an issue. So please don't warn me when I'm nowhere near a 3RR. John Smith's 16:08, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
Please be careful - I know it can be difficult dealing with users who contribute with sockpuppets but this Edipedia's (or whatever his name was on that day) edits do not appear to be vandalism here. Consider this a warning - in future, you will be banned if you break the rule again. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Robdurbar (talk • contribs) 2006-09-08 14:13:52
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William M. Connolley 20:59, 8 September 2006 (UTC)Hong, I am not even going to try to find another comprimise between us. I have reached a consensus with Sumple, so I am going to use that version. He was the one that had the original dispute, not you. I resolved the issue with him, so don't turn someone else's query into your personal crusade. It's quite ridiculous. Of course if you would prefer an edit war, we could always resume that where we left off and get blocked again. Did you enjoy having your first block? John Smith's 17:07, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
Thank you for experimenting with Wikipedia. Your test worked, and it has been reverted or removed. Please use the sandbox for any other tests you want to do. Take a look at the welcome page if you would like to learn more about contributing to our encyclopedia. Arbiteroftruth 22:34, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
huh? - Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 22:47, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
I remember I actually jacked that emblem in the official web page of the district council, and tried to delete the background colour with softwares like Photoshop or Photo Impact. :-) - Alan 05:11, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
HongQiGong, I don't know what point you are trying to make by taking the Asian porn star category out the Asian porn stars of each individual country in Asia, and I really don't care. But this is clearly bad-faith editing. You are disrupting Wikipedia in order to make a point or strike back at the other editor. If you have a dispute with the other editor, please take it to a talk page rather than disrupting Wikipedia. Thank you. Regards. Dekkappai 16:12, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
Do you have any other references for the Nanking Massacre besides that book? Can you reference from , say Fogel's book ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wenzi (talk • contribs) 2006-09-12 17:32:12
I've found the TDM has its television news reports on its website [23]. — Instantnood 22:11, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
Blocked. They're rather a nusance.--Konstable 20:43, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
Hey. A long time ago you said I could ask you for help with the article Stereotypes of Asians. I think I need it now...it was fine before, but now its been discovered by a lot of people who are sort of unscrupulously starting to flame back & forth and making a mess of it. I'm back in classes so I can't really fix it very well right now, but I just don't want things to escalate and get out of control to the point of deletion which is now being informally suggested. I understand if you are busy or not interested, but...just an update. Thanks! --Drenched 02:21, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
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The RickK Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
HongQiGong, I award you this here RickK Anti-Vandalism Barnstar in recognition and appreciation of your tireless efforts to defend Japanese history articles from those who would deny Korean influence and involvement, and for your extensive work on East Asian topics in other respects. It is truly a never-ending task and a more or less thankless job. Thank you. LordAmeth 19:50, 27 September 2006 (UTC) |
Thanks! My very first Barnstar. =) Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 01:15, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
Tila Nguyen is 1/4 French, 3/4 Vietnamese. Isn't that mixed? Pink moon 1287 12:29, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
In Chinese Wikipedia the templates are named as Template:User zh-cmn . Would you like to synchronise the names of the templates? -Hello World! 16:34, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
Hi there, you are too pathetic. You can't revert other people's work without good reasons. Wang Xin 17:12, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
Deportation of Cambodian Americans. Incidentally we've had several threads on this and related topics over at YW: [26], [27], [28], [29]. cab 14:27, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
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Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Lǐ_(李)_(surname) Yao Ziyuan 03:34, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
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This is your last warning.
The next time you vandalize a page, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. --Yamla 03:40, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
You are off the point. The thing is that Han Chinese consider them as ethnically Han. Many Chinese people as well as people in the West consider Tibetans and Chinese Mongolian minorities as Chinese. They only distinguish them sometimes from Han Chinese. It doesn't necessarily mean Tibetans and Chinese Mongolians are not Chinese. In addition, overseas Chinese interact more with people in the West. They should be listed as one of the bullet points here. Ated 17:26, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
Jesus, this person never stops creating socks! And I can never figure out what exactly is the point of any the edits -- maybe s/he doesn't know either. Badagnani 18:36, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
Is there a way to check if this is a sock? If s/he is not using a computer lab or switching computers each time (or switching IPs, which is possible if one is computer knowledgeable enough) then it can be checked. I think there was an IP check for Snle a month or two ago, and several dozen (!) socks were located. We can't allow that kind of thing. Badagnani 18:52, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
Anyway, I filed for semi-protection and now both the article and the talk page are semi-protected. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 19:09, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
Since the talk page is blocked for no reasons, I'll write here. I agree with you that some people in the West don't consider some Chinese ethnic groups as ethnic Chinese. But others do. For example, Uighur people live in China for thousands of years and most of them live within China. Even those who don't consider Uighurs as ethnic Chinese, they generally consider other Chinese ethnic groups that ain't that different from Han Chinese as ethnic Chinese. My wording "People of Chinese descent" doesn't say all Chinese ethnic groups are ethnic Chinese either. Ated 21:24, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
Hello, did you mean that Chinese people can also mean 華人 in Chinese people?User:Jerrypp772000 05:03, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
Exactly, it talks about how citizens of ROC refer themselves as 台灣人, and not 中國人. So then I was just adding some more extra information.--Jerrypp772000 21:21, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
Hey, no problem. I've semi-protected the page. Snle actually stopped editing Wikipedia for a month or so (at least it appeared that way), until he returned as User:NKH. Since then, he's gone through a number of sockpuppets and some IPs. That's why I created User:Khoikhoi/Snle. I suppose I should eventually list all of them there, but there are literally hundreds. Also it contradicts WP:DENY... Cheers, Khoikhoi 20:35, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
Xiner 17:30, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
Okay, I somehow crossed the path of User:John Smith's again on Mao Zedong. I was re-writing the introduction and John Smith reverted my edit on sight...mmm, hasty. He didn't struck me as somebody willing to discuss faithfully the last time I conflicted with him. Any advice? Aran|heru|nar 14:02, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
Hey!
Should we re-attempt to nominate Portal:Hong Kong for featured status? I have created and formatted the archival page for all rotating contents. The portal should meet all criterias now. AQu01rius (User • Talk) 04:20, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
Hello! On December 21, 2006 you put on my user page:
Please refrain from undoing other people's edits repeatedly. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions in a content dispute within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. Rather than reverting, discuss disputed changes on the talk page. The revision you want is not going to be implemented by edit warring. Thank you.
Your reverts:
I suggest a compromise on the discussion page, and ask that you do not undo other people's edits repeatedly as well. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia.
Thank you.
--Joel Lindley 22:32, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for helping! :-) Khoikhoi 20:10, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
I've changed the tag for you and unprotected the page. Thanks for letting me know about this. In case you need anything else, please let me know; although I won't be back to my normal editing schedule for about 3-4 more days. --Idont Havaname (Talk) 03:21, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
I'm really not happy with the current state of the article and I don't see it as a compromise at all. Why should we have to give into aggressive users so easily? Anyways, he's about to be blocked because he's broken the 3RR. See my comment on the talk page. Khoikhoi 05:41, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
What is the logic to changing the article name? While it is true that 'pai' means school, as far as I know it is not a term encountered in scholarly literature about the topic. All of my sources on the topic of Taoism simply discuss the various schools of Taoism by using the name without pai, for example instead of saying 'Quanzhen Pai,' they will say 'Quanzhen.' This is the same for other schools such as Lingbao and Shangqing. If anything 'Quanzhen Pai' should redirect to 'Quanzhen' or 'Quanzhen School.' Pai seems to be strictly a Chinese term that has not entered the English language in sources about Taoism.Zeus1234 07:20, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
Wikipedia has clear procedures on moving pages. Other than in exceptional circumstances all pages should be moved by following the instructions on the Requested Moves page. Unilateral moves can trigger edit wars, break links and cause a lot of problems. Please stop unilaterally moving pages, as you did with Way of the Celestial Master, and follow the correct procedure. --Kusunose 09:04, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
I request that if you still wish to move the page Way of the Celestial Master to Tianshi School, you do so via the wikipedia guidelines, and have a survey so that consensus can be found. By moving the page you have broken every single one of the links to the article, and gone against the scholarly consensus of recently published material.
Google Books
Because 'Celestial Masters' is the pluralized form of 'Way of the Celestial Master' and you don't usually say 'adherents of the way of the celestial master,' but rather 'celestial masters,' it seems clear that it is in fact the more common term.
Also, I am recopying this from out other discussion:
From the Wikipedia page Naming Conventions [41]:
Note the 'English speakers' part that is bolded. Clearly English speakers are more familiar with the term 'Celestial Master' than with 'Tianshi Dao.'
Please follow the correct Wikipedia guidelines when moving the page as you did not do initially. I will move it back to its original spot at Way of the Celestial Master. If you wish to move it again, I expect you will follow the guidelines for a controversial page move. Zeus1234 17:21, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
Please refrain from undoing other people's edits repeatedly, as you are doing in Japan. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions in a content dispute within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. Rather than reverting, discuss disputed changes on the talk page. The revision you want is not going to be implemented by edit warring. Thank you. John Smith's 18:19, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
This article needs more citations for the loaded statements it contains about a living person. I realize this is a controversial topic. I see that you've removed the citations required banner and I'm not going to play 3rr games with you. Please research and cite, or replace the banner. Anything left uncited will be removed in seven days. --Vees 18:47, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
I'm not surprised. - Jmabel | Talk 19:45, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
I noticed there was a little confusion about the use of the phrase 'historical chinese population' that you may have mistaken as 'historical chinese'. The word 'historical' is used as a modifier in this case to chinese population. The term is used quite frequently and is another way of saying 'original chinese settlers' before the 'Hong Kong influx of the 1980s'. If you were thinking its a slightly prejudice or racist terminology, its just a common term used in the subject of history. Hope this clarification helps. Mkdwtalk 03:13, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
Happy New Year
William M. Connolley 22:00, 31 December 2006 (UTC)