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I finally figured out what the concern with the BBC source was. It's that we don't use it as a reference for a statement of exist in the US and Canada, we use it for a statement promotes and engages in political violence in the United States and Canada, and it doesn't support the first part of that. It's easily fixed by separating the "promotes & engages in" aspect from the "US and Canada" aspect, and referencing them separately. Two separate statements, not one compound one. - Ryk72 talk 01:40, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
I presume you don't think that the bit about the genesis of the movement, or at least some of the movement, goes back to the JBS? Nothing before the 80s? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Doug Weller (talk • contribs) 12:21, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
A few things- If books are going to be cited, inaccessible or not, page numbers are to be included. If this charade continues, prepare for academic press to be cited elsewhere under similar circumstances. The cite bomber is now using academic press elsewhere via talk to attempt to disconnect the former Soviet Union from the Ukrainian Famine-that borders on genocidal denial as I used as an example during our discourse on this topic. Lastly, although I am a longtime infrequent IP editor that eschews the entire concept of registration, it is fairly obvious that I am not familiar with the software, although I have some knowledge of WP guidelines, I have not kept up with changes over the years or that I am not a blocked editor using a sock puppet. That's not so obvious with the editor continually pushing the fascist label.2601:46:C801:B1F0:125:F8EB:C6FA:6525 (talk) 21:43, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
Hey ItsPugle, I just saw you basically reverted my edit of removing founder information from the lead of the Turning Point USA article, that information was taken out because it used a non-WP:RS citation source on the Wikipedia reliable/perennial source list found here. Then you added it back in and added more unreliable sources under citation. This list includes, PRwatch - not rs, State-Journal register- not rs, conservative transparency - not rs. Please self revert, also in the future, please refer to the Wikipedia list for direction as to if a source is usable.MaximusEditor (talk) 02:09, 16 October 2020 (UTC)
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Besides neo and proto largely being antonym prefixes displaying the level of credibility involved here. One of the RS academic sources was recently busted for race misappropriation being white and claiming to be black-that is hardly credible RS source especially on anything involving race. Another one is a hyper partisan zealot on par with Dinesh D Souza. One of the female ones(only pointing her gender out given the group is considered misogynistic) used some definition of fascism that captured Hitler, Pinochet and another historical fascist's regime social tenets but completely ignored the dictatorial control of governance-I did not bother looking at any of the rest.
Another one calls them crypto fascist-which may be the factually most accurate if one believes that they secretly desire dictatorial control or strong central governance.
It is currently in the lede despite the vast majority of RS not calling them any kind of fascist.
The lede should say verbatim what the SLPC calls them and most RS have subsequently labeled the group-a right wing extremist hate group or something along those lines.
Put the factually incorrect fascist claims in the body and maybe explain that they have been called XIZ type of fascists despite neo and proto largely being antonyms. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:46:C801:B1F0:B424:DCDD:60B9:9757 (talk) 17:40, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
Don't be sorry! Most of the RS sources do not call them any kind of fascist. Not close, one has to look long and hard to find that label. Search the name, read the first 100 hits and of those how many lead off with it. If you'd like to save time the answer is very few. The notable experts do not use that label. As far as the words themselves, that is academic press, anyone can write anything that they want and publish on those mediums. Included are genocide deniers, anti vaxxers etc...
they are not peer reviewed, they are subject to almost zero oversight and have no academic standing. If you asked 100 history professors to define neo-fascism, 99 would give a blank stare and the 100th would say you must be from wikipedia.
It should be a red flag when they do not link to a notable think tank, government or prominent academic institution or department on the subject. Is it the opinion that the ADL and SLPC who throw around the words fascist, white supremacist and racist like balls just forgot to use them this time? No one tried to interpret sources without actually reading them first other than it looks like the guy who posted them in the first place. Hosang is posted, I skimmed through that and saw approaches fascism. Unf I do not have time to read through all of the subsequent posts since my last on the notice board. The bottom line is this, although Masem and the other editor are absolutely correct in their idyllic approach, notability trumps that in the cases of these hate groups. However, the IP editor continuing to insist that the opening paragraph be more than the ADL or SLPC is going too far the other way. For future reference, if I have time to read through these nonsense sources, their lack of notability for the subject matter and their use of words of no academic standing, come on-you can spend 15secs searching a name-https://www.fresnobee.com/news/local/education-lab/article245836520.html. Lastly, lay off the detrimental to WP stuff. What is really detrimental to WP is seeking to end good faith discourse with phrases like this is detrimental to WP.2601:46:C801:B1F0:1C2F:40CA:7880:6802 (talk) 07:33, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
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Do you have sources? He will president only for 90 days. Also, he is still PM. --Panam2014 (talk) 12:11, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
No where does it say 90 days. ItsPugle (please ping on reply) 12:14, 18 October 2020 (UTC)"On Friday, lawmakers said he would lead the country until presidential elections next year, while remaining prime minister."
[https://www.constituteproject.org/constitution/Kyrgyz_Republic_2010.pdf?lang=en "In case of early termination of powers by the President on the grounds envisaged in the present Constitution, his/her powers shall be exercised by the Toraga [Speaker] of the Jogorku Kenesh until new President is elected. In case of inability of the Toraga to exercise the powers of the President, then such powers shall be exercised by the Prime minister. Early presidential elections are conducted within three months period since the termination of powers of the President. 2. Officials exercising the powers of the President shall not have the right to call early elections of the Jogorku Kenesh or dismiss the Government."] --Panam2014 (talk) 12:28, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
"Officials exercising the powers of the President" so he is not president. --Panam2014 (talk) 12:39, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
I have added relevant written sources ie. Newspaper articles from NZ Herald and The Guardian to support the relevant statements, on top of the official data provided. 2002 was Nationals worst ever year, and 2020 was the worst since 2002. Leesjy2k (talk) 08:52, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
I have added numerous other sources to validate what I have just written. Blocking me from editing articles of Wikipedia, is excessive given the written and official sources I have cited. Leesjy2k (talk) 09:28, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
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Hello, I just edited the first paragraph for the REST lemma, which should address the technical tag you added. EduardKarelEtc (talk) 14:49, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
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Hi ItsPugle,
I just noticed on your user page that you'd been working on a JobSeeker Payment page at some point.
I created a redirect to related edits about the Payment (IIRC) I made on the Social security in Australia page.
Did I 'short circuit' what you were doing? :-/
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