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The Tea Leaf - Issue One - Recent news from the Teahouse
Hi! Welcome to the first edition of The Tea Leaf, the official newsletter of the Teahouse!
Metrics are out from week one. Week one showed that the need for Teahouse hosts to invite new editors to the Teahouse is urgent for this pilot period. It also showed that emailing new users invitations is a powerful tool, with new editors responding more to emails than to talk page templates. We also learned that the customized database reports created for the Teahouse have the highest return rate of participation by invitees. Check out the metrics here and see how you can help with inviting in our Invitation Guide.
A refreshed "Your hosts" page encourages experienced Wikipedians to learn about the Teahouse and participate. With community input, the Teahouse has updated the Your hosts page which details the host roles within the Teahouse pilot and the importance that hosts play in providing a friendly, special experience not always found on other welcome/help spaces on Wikipedia. It also explains how Teahouse hosts are important regarding metrics reporting during this pilot. Are you an experienced editor who wants to help out? Take a look at the new page today and start learning about the hosts tasks and how you can participate!
Introduce yourself and meet new guests at the Teahouse. Take the time to welcome and get to know the latest guests at the Teahouse. New & experienced editors to Wikipedia can add a brief infobox about themselves and get to know one another with direct links to userpages. Drop off some wikilove to these editors today, they'll surely be happy to feel the wikilove!
You are receiving The Tea Leaf after expressing interest or participating in the Teahouse! To remove yourself from receiving future newsletters, please remove your username here. Sarah (talk) 16:06, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
Thank you for your welcoming! I actually do have a question for you. I plan on expanding the Uganda Conflict Action Network article and I am not quite sure yet how to cite my sources. Could you explain this for me?
Thanks for your help regarding the talkback tag. As I understand it, for talking to another Wikipedia user you post on their talk page and, a talkback is to inform another of a post, either on an article talk page or a user talk page. John Bailey (talk) 17:08, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
Hi! Welcome to the second edition of The Tea Leaf, the official newsletter of the Teahouse!
Teahouse celebrates one month of being open! This first month has drawn a lot of community interest to the Teahouse. Hosts & community members have been working with the project team to improve the project in many ways including creating scripts to make inviting easier, exploring mediation processes for troubling guests, and best practices regarding mentoring for new editors who visit the Teahouse.
First month metrics report an average of 30 new editors visiting the Teahouse each week. Approximately 30 new editors participate in the Teahouse each week, by way of asking questions and making guest profiles. An average of six new questions and four new profiles are made each day. We'd love to hear your ideas about how we can spread the word about the Teahouse to more new editors.
Teahouse has many regulars. Like any great teahouse, our Teahouse has a 61% return rate of guests, who come back to ask additional questions and to also help answer others' questions. Return guests cite the speedy response rate of hosts and the friendly, easy to understand responses by the hosts and other participants as the main reasons for coming back for another cup o' tea!
Early metrics on retention. It's still too early to draw conclusions about the Teahouse's impact on new editor retention, but, early data shows that 38% of new editors who participate at the Teahouse are still actively editing Wikipedia 2-4 weeks later, this is compared with 7% from a control group of uninvited new editors who showed similar first day editing activity. Additional metrics can be found on the Teahouse metrics page.
Say hello to the new guests at the Teahouse. Take the time to welcome and get to know the latest guests at the Teahouse. Drop off some wikilove to these editors today, as being welcomed by experienced editors is a really nice way to make new editors feel welcome.
You are receiving The Tea Leaf after expressing interest or participating in the Teahouse! To remove yourself from receiving future newsletters, please remove your username here. -- Sarah (talk) 21:43, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
new section
the page was created by accident thanks for marking for deletion. how do i edit a page, that is how i normally edit a page Pokeswap (talk)
I am posting here to ask for editors to look at Wikipedia:In_the_news/Recurring_items and to comment at the talk page to discuss/vote on an amendment to the ITN/R list. I am posting this message on a number of editor's talk pages to encourage debate.
In connection to an ongoing debate on which items can appear on the front page under "In The News", "Recurring Items" are nominated events which require very little debate in the nomination process.
I propose the following amendment to the current ITN/R list. In addition I will put this on the talk page of as many editors as I can find who are contributors to ITN/C
As I am new to Wikipedia I have only now found that this seems to be the way to contact other users on Wikipedia. My question is as follows:
It appears that you erased the content I added to VR Photography. Have you been authorized by the Wikipedia organization to erase people's content? On what grounds did you erase it, and were your judgements about its content based on your own ideas or the Wikipedia team that decides on content suitability? How did you happen to be tracking me live while I was in the process of typing out the content?
I must have the answer to these questions or I will have to assume that you hacked me or were a vandal.
As a member of the Wikipedia community, I, along with all other editors, have the obligation to follow policies and guidelines put in place by the Wikipedia community. On the VR Photography article, you added information that I thought did not conform to Wikipedia's policies on manuals. Therefore, I reverted your edits. All content added to Wikipedia must be verifiable and include reliable sources. As for your question about if I am authorized to erase people's content, all editors have the ability to remove other editor's content if they deem it encyclopedic, however, it doesn't mean that their actions were justified to remove the content. That's what Wikipedia is all about, to create an online encyclopedia that everyone can edit. I did not hack you nor am I a vandal. I just thought that your edits did not conform to the policies set in place by the community. I hope this clears up any confusion. If you have any other questions, please just ask. -- Luke(Talk)19:34, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
Ok That is fine. I am totally supportive of keeping Wikipedia content to the highest standards of quality. I will look into examining my own content so that I can get clear about what content would be considered suitable for an encyclopedia, versus content that is not. I obviously need to learn these basic things first before I post and edit again. Thanks for your reply. WikipedianJones (talk) 11:08, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
The article was indeed quite promotional. I therefore rewrote it. Perhaps you had meant to tag G11? G11 would have been reasonable, for the amount of rewriting I did was beyond the usual copyediting, and doing that much is optional. If I think notability is borderline , I don't bother. DGG ( talk ) 04:53, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
Ha, when DGG talks, we listen. DGG, thanks for still being around. Someone should give you a barnstar for longevity. Drmies (talk) 04:08, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for reporting it to me Luk, if you'd like to keep it more private in the future feel free to email me. I've cleared up a bit more of the history and have blocked that account as a VOA. TheHelpfulOne22:06, 1 May 2012 (UTC)
You're welcome - I also put a 1 week semi protection on editing during which time hopefully he will get bored and move on! TheHelpfulOne22:09, 1 May 2012 (UTC)
Hi! Welcome to the third edition of The Tea Leaf, the official newsletter of the Teahouse!
Teahouse reaches two month mark. The Teahouse has been live on English Wikipedia for two months now and evidence of the project's impact is beginning to show. Thank you to the hosts and Wikipedians who have helped make the Teahouse the valuable place for new editor's to seek help and feel welcome.
In April, Teahouse averaged 45 questions per week.
An average of 20 new editors visiting for the first time were served at the Teahouse, in addition to repeat guests.
Many guests are repeat visitors: the average guest asks 1.5 questions and 22% of guests ask more than one question.
Reports show that the Teahouse is having a positive impact on editor engagement! Comparing a sample of 75 new editors who participate in the Teahouse with a control group (of equivalent size and similar first-day editing activity) shows:
New editors who participate in the Teahouse edit 10x the number of articles than the uninvited control group.
New editor participants also make an average six times more global edits.
Average Teahouse participants add 26 times more bytes of content that survive on Wikipedia (meaning content that isn't reverted or deleted) than the uninvited control group.
More Teahouse participants remain active on Wikipedia at least 10 days later. Among the 224 editors in our three experimental groups, 28 percent of new editors who participate in the Teahouse were still active on Wikipedia at least ten days later, compared with 12 percent who received an invitation but didn't actively participate in the Teahouse, and only 5 percent from a similar uninvited control group.
Teahouse visibility is a challenge, as we try to make the Teahouse visible to new editors, invitation has been the the main way of informing new editors about the Teahouse, and while that is a powerful tool, many new editors go uninvited. Input on Teahouse link placement is welcome! (Join in on the conversation here.)
Want to know how you can lend a hand at the Teahouse? Become a host! Learn more about what makes the Teahouse different than other help spaces on Wikipedia and see how you can help new editors by visiting here.
Say hello to the new guests at the Teahouse. Take the time to welcome and get to know the latest guests at the Teahouse. Drop off some wikilove to these editors today, as being welcomed by experienced editors is a really nice way to make new editors feel welcome.
You are receiving The Tea Leaf after expressing interest or participating in the Teahouse! To remove yourself from receiving future newsletters, please remove your username here. Sarah (talk) 15:36, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
Hello fellow Wikipedian, the hardworking hosts and staff at WP:Teahouse would like your feedback!
We have created a brief survey intended to help us understand the experiences and impressions of veteran editors who have participated on the Teahouse. You are being selected to participate in our survey because you edited the Teahouse Questions or Guests pages some time during the last few months.
Hi Luke, I apologize if I am doing this wrong. I've spent hours clicking on links in wikipedia trying to understand this and I'm still totally lost. I tried to create a page for my company, Mediflow, and it was marked (by you, I think?) for speedy deletion. I looked through all the reasons why that could happen, and can't understand why my page was deleted, or how I can fix it. Can you help?
Klanghauser (talk) 14:56, 29 May 2012 (UTC)klanghauser 5.29.12
Hi! We're seeking your feedback as a current or formal host at the Teahouse about the project. Please stop by and lend your voice at your convenience, here. Thanks :) Sarah (talk) 20:02, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
Hello, LuK3. Please check your email; you've got mail! Message added 00:41, 9 June 2012 (UTC). It may take a few minutes from the time the email is sent for it to show up in your inbox. You can remove this notice at any time by removing the ((You've got mail)) or ((ygm)) template.
Hi, I saw you reverted Beepboop95 removal of Ironholds PROD at Hamboning. Anyone, including the article creator may remove the PROD template. All such removals counts as objection, and under PROD rules the article may not be re-prodded, which include reverting to the previously prodded version. KTC (talk) 01:12, 11 June 2012 (UTC)
Hi! Welcome to the fourth issue of The Tea Leaf, the official newsletter for the Teahouse!
Teahouse pilot wraps up after 13 weeks After being piloted on English Wikipedia starting in February, the Teahouse wrapped up its pilot period on May 27, 2012. We expect this is just the beginning for the Teahouse and hope the project will continue to grow in the months to come!
Thank you and congratulations to all of the community members who participated - and continue to participate!
What you've all been waiting for: Teahouse Pilot Report is released! We look forward to your feedback on the methodology and outcomes of this pilot project.
....and if a pilot report wasn't enough, the Teahouse Pilot Metrics Report is out too! Dive into the numbers and survey results to learn about the impact the Teahouse has made on English Wikipedia.
Teahouse shows positive impact on new editor retention and engagement
409 new editors participated during the entire pilot period, with about 40 new editors participating in the Teahouse per week.
Two weeks after participating, 33% of Teahouse guests are still active on Wikipedia, as opposed to 11% of a similar control group.
New editors who participated in the Teahouse edit 10x the number of articles, make 7x more global edits, and 2x as much of their content survives on Wikipedia compared to the control group.
Women participate in the Teahouse 28% of Teahouse participants were women, up from 9% of editors on Wikipedia in general, good news for this project which aimed to have impact on the gender gap too - but still lots to be done here!
New opportunities await for the Teahouse in phase two as the Teahouse team and Wikipedia community examine ways to improve, scale, and sustain the project. Opportunities for future work include:
Automating or semi-automating systems such as invites, metrics and archiving
Experimenting with more ways for new editors to discover the Teahouse
Building out the social and peer-to-peer aspects further, including exploring ways to make answering questions easier, creating more ways for new editors to help each other and for all participants to acknowledge each other's efforts
Growing volunteer capacity, continuing to transfer Teahouse administration tasks to volunteers whenever possible, and looking for new ways to make maintenance and participation easier for everyone.
Want to know how you can lend a hand at the Teahouse? Become a host! Learn more about what makes the Teahouse different than other help spaces on Wikipedia and see how you can help new editors by visiting here.
Say hello to the new guests at the Teahouse. Take the time to welcome and get to know the latest guests at the Teahouse. Drop off some wikilove to these editors today, as being welcomed by experienced editors is really encouraging to new Wikipedians.
You are receiving The Tea Leaf after expressing interest or participating in the Teahouse! To remove yourself from receiving future newsletters, please remove your username here. Sarah (talk) 16:45, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
File:Barack Obama Al Arabiya interview 2009.jpg listed for deletion
A file that you uploaded or altered, File:Barack Obama Al Arabiya interview 2009.jpg, has been listed at Wikipedia:Files for deletion. Please see the discussion to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. Stefan2 (talk) 16:02, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
Hey, I'm not sure anybody can really help you. You can try to find sources that include the subject on Google. I'm sorry I couldn't help you more. -- Luke(Talk)21:28, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
Have a though you obviously have tremendous amounts of time.......
Have you considering not trolling wikipedia as if your some neutral presence? Wikis do not work unless there is ubiquitous empowerment amongst its users, this type of environment is conducive for class/power struggles which is all to prevalent in today's society. Are you contributing towards ideals and fundamentals that support free thought, free communication? Look up wiki, they are not generated by trolls like you, info is added by people like myself. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.99.242.199 (talk) 15:38, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
Yeah, I'm fine. My student just requested to be taken off my "current student" list. I don't think instructing is my forte. I'll still be actively editing, just not available for instructing. Thanks for asking. -- Luke(Talk)17:37, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
Ok, that's awesome. Glad to hear we haven't scared you away of anything. And remember, the CVU needs a lot more hands than just instructors to keep it going. We need people to help Study vandalism, Clean up heavy vandalism, Think of knew ways to counter vandalism...there's a lot of work to do to protect the encyclopedia, and hopefully we can find the way that you think would be the best use of your talents. Cheers! Achowat (talk) 17:40, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
Articles for creation is desperately short of reviewers! We are looking for urgent help, from experienced editors, in reviewing submissions in the pending submissions queue. There are currently 2553 submissions waiting to be reviewed.
We would greatly appreciate your help. Currently, only a small handful of users are reviewing articles. Any help, even if it's just a few reviews, would be extremely beneficial.
Did you read the message in my last article you just deleted? Here it is again encase you didnt:
Can a couple of you help me because I have a wiki site and I cant seem to get templates to display like they do here at wikipedia. look here http://test.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyler_Mason I also have been asking over at mediawiki but no one seems to know whats wrong. All the templates and code came from wikipedia. As you can see below Janna's wiki works fine here but not at your test site or mine. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Frankynbell (talk • contribs) 14:39, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
Did that and they are worthless over there. Pretty messed up that you take code from an article here and it doesnt work anywhere else now. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Frankynbell (talk • contribs) 14:51, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
Each Wikipedia have different templates to use. For example, the English Wikipedia have different templates than the Spanish or German Wikpedia. You can also create a subpage for your article and you can use templates on here. -- Luke(Talk)14:58, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
hey are you editing anything are you a company or a person luk3
from alice denny — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alice denny robinson (talk • contribs) 00:36, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
Hi, regarding your revert to Ammonium nitrate, you reverted to a version of the page which had also been vandalised. When reverting please ensure that you revert to a clean version of the page, although I understand why you missed this one it had been vandalised by an IP, it took me a while to realise what had happened :). Regards, Callanecc (talk • contribs) talkback (etc) template appreciated. 13:52, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
No worries, as I said I stared at it for a while & kept going back in the revisions to try and find a clean version (look a while) :). Thanks for the talkback, I'll keep an eye from now (if you want to respond). Regards, Callanecc (talk • contribs) talkback (etc) template appreciated. 14:02, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
I kick myself for not notifying MBisanz on that. Thank you. I think it is probably good for Nenpog to know about it, but I don't see what they could really do since they're blocked anyway. I appreciate that you are on the ball here with this and I'll try and remember to do this expediently next time. -- Avanu (talk) 02:14, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
Please respect what I wrote in the Zeljko Joksimovic page. It takes me lot of time to do it. The sources are reliable. And the text is pure informative and neutral, not promotional or whatever. The preview page has lot of missinformation and lot of data that were random and off topic. Thank you very much. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:2B88:1:4:0:0:0:10 (talk) 17:29, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
Speedy delete
Hello. I just wanted to inform you that I removed the speedy tag from User:Vayuproduction. Different criteria apply to user pages than those that apply to pages in the article space. That user page does not meet any of the criteria at Wikipedia:CSD#User_pages. 76.105.171.161 (talk) 00:26, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
Hello, I'm afraid that U1 only applies if you want one of your userpages deleted. For example, if I wanted User:LuK3 deleted, I would place ((db-u1)) on my userpage. I've tagged that userpage for speedy deletion because it's obvious that it's a promotional-only account. The administrator will delete the page and block the account. I hope this clears up any confusion. -- Luke(Talk)00:32, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
Apparently I didn't express myself clearly. My apologies. My point was that none of the criteria for user pages apply. It is not covered by U1, U2 or U3. It certainly appears that the user is directly headed for WP:COI, but being on WP:NOT does not qualify for speedy deletion. 76.105.171.161 (talk) 00:37, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
According to WP:UP#PROMO, "Advertising or promotion of an individual, business, organization, group, or viewpoint unrelated to Wikipedia (such as commercial sites or referral links)." is not acceptable in the userspace. The user page which I tagged is user "General" criteria, which covers all namespaces. Regardless, the page will be deleted by an administrator. -- Luke(Talk)00:43, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
Aha! You have just educated me. Thank you. :) It seems the speedy criteria have been modified since I last read them carefully. General now does apply to user pages. Way back when, the last time I read over them, the general category applied to everything but user pages. Things are now different, and you were quite right from the beginning. Thank you for your time and understanding. 76.105.171.161 (talk) 00:54, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
- which was reliably sourced - the did not "detonate" the trip wires, they were disarmed and so was the first level explosive device - the previous edit was incorrect and I fixed the first part of that sentence. If you did more than that in your edit, please make your edit summaries more complete.
New Burgas reaction article
Was your comment in "reaction split" about creating a new article for reactions? If so, I'd support that and go ahead with it. --Activism123421:54, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
Yeah, somewhat. The "Reactions" section was getting a little too long for the overall quality of the entire article. I would like more opinions. It seems like the discussion is split. -- Luke(Talk)21:57, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
OK. For the record, I said before I don't mind either way, but now that I see an admin removed a ton of info very quickly and without other users' input, I support creating a totally new article with all the previous info, and trimming down what is currently in the article to perhaps a 2 paragraph summary. Somehow, an I.P. address shifted the conversation completely from creating a new article to leaving this article and just deleting certain countries. If I was an ambassador for that country whose opinions weren't listed, I'd feel somewhat insulted!
Also note - there are many many precedents for creating new articles for international reactions on articles relating to terrorism. --Activism123422:14, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
And also, Israel has accused Hezbollah and Iran of orchestrating the bombing, which makes responses from these two countries somewhat defensive. -- Luke(Talk)22:17, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
? I was just asking whether you felt we should create a new article. I didn't mention Israel, Iran, or Hezbollah. --Activism123422:20, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
Btw, based on the talk page, everyone supports trimming/splitting it. Before countries start crying that their reaction isn't listed but another one's is (kidding), do you think now it'd be appropriate to create a new article with the info from before? --Activism123422:23, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Yeah, I know. I wasn't making myself that clear. I think we should split the article because some countries may have different responses. Sorry if I didn't make sense. -- Luke(Talk)22:25, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
I was thinking of changing the lede slightly. What do you think about this?
The international reactions to the 2012 Burgas bus bombing, which killed 5 Israeli tourists and the bus driver in Burgas, Bulgaria, included condemnations and condolences by multiple national governments and supranational organizations.
Also, I think there should be a link somewhere to the main article, either in the lead or the thing in italics you did in the main article under reactions which contained a link to the new article. Is that too confusing? --Activism123423:09, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
Being bold is great, but I don't want to wind up making another edit and then being accused of violationg 1RR. This way, I have the support of the editor who made the original edit saying I can make this edit to his edit. For fun, shall we say edit one more time? Edit. --Activism123423:14, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
I think those articles don't have "International" in their titles because the article includes individuals, the media, etc. I would leave the title the way it is. -- Luke(Talk)01:55, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
I nominated it myself, i created it not knowing the incorrectly named but much more comprehensive Downtown Modesto already existed, I am not an admin so I can't move it to the right title without doing a long process of recommending it but since I created the Downtown Modesto, Modesto, California article I can have it deleted thus freeing up the namespace so that I can use the move button to move it to the now empty space and have the Downtown Modesto article in the right place as neighborhoods should be in (Neighborhood,)-(City,)-(State) format, make sense? However if you are an admin you could do all that for me huh?LuciferWildCat (talk) 23:44, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
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