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Can I know what is the source for land area at List of cities and towns in Malaysia by population? Thanks. angys (Talk Talk) 11:27, 24 July 2023 (UTC) And also feel free to update this as well List of districts in Malaysia by population, data can refer to this csv angys (Talk Talk) 11:56, 24 July 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I referred the figures included in individual pages. Several figures are pretty questionable but there isnt a central database with land area figures for these things. gavre (al. PenangLion) (talk) 14:50, 24 July 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Thanks for taking the initiative. However, I noticed that although you've already moved the article, the talkpage discussion has not been closed with the appropriate tags ((subst:RM top|result of the discussion.)), ((subst:RM bottom)) (and ((subst:RMnac)), for a non-admin closure). Normally the discussion is closed before the move. Can you please rectify, and double check the steps at WP:RMCLOSE for anything else that was missed?

Thanks, 2406:3003:2077:1E60:442D:25D6:E09A:2D1F (talk) 04:40, 26 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Resolved. Thanks for the heads up. gavre (al. PenangLion) (talk) 04:46, 26 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Hey PenangLion! I noticed in your recent edits to this article that you added some ((sfn)) citations that don't have target references. I'd recommend that you install Trappist the monk's HarvErrors script so you can catch these errors in the future. Thanks! —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 07:29, 3 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thanks for the notification. Didn't notice that! Cheers, gavre (al. PenangLion) (talk) 07:31, 3 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

NP! —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 07:31, 3 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Hi! I'm SuperWIKI. Neighbour from Singapore here. I've been editing politics and military-related Wikipedia articles for a few years now, including those of Malaysia. However, my specific niche is the United States Congress (where I've been adding OGG audio files) and United States Armed Forces (where I track military nominations).

I cleaned up Anwar Ibrahim's infobox - moving incumbent party and MP positions to the the top, collapsing opposition and past parliamentary terms, and restoring the nested "Ministerial roles" list. I meant to do the same for Lim Kit Siang, removing all his DAP posts aside from Secretary-General to the s-start at the bottom, but formatting issues delayed this...

My computer's out of action at the moment, but anything infobox-related you need help, just let me know! SuperWIKI (talk) 13:15, 29 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hey SuperWIKI. Glad to know your contributions for these articles. Hope we'll have a great time editing! gavre (al. PenangLion) (talk) 14:04, 29 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Adding on to the User talk:PenangLion/Penang sandbox, I'm just about done with rewriting Penang, aiming to push this article to GA status (George Town is next in my list too). Do let me know if there's more amendments or additions to be made towards making it more comprehensive. hundenvonPG (talk) 02:01, 13 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I would highly suggest re-checking all references, making sure that its not composed of online articles (in the sense that its directly from websites, except news agencies); instead if there's any sources from official publications that can supplement the information, do add them. gavre (al. PenangLion) (talk) 02:04, 13 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Furthermore, the sentence "The George Town Conurbation had a GDP worth US$13,596,418 in 2010, making it the second largest contributor of Malaysia's total GDP" does not make sense. Did you mean by US$13.596 billion? gavre (al. PenangLion) (talk) 02:06, 13 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Ah thanks for pointing out the error. Will have a look on that and the referencing before requesting assessment. Some are rather dated, others just dead websites. hundenvonPG (talk) 04:52, 13 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I have also posted several section of rewrites of Komtar. Feel free to check out. gavre (al. PenangLion) (talk) 05:57, 13 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Looks great. Really going in-depth into its history there. Though I think the 'background' portion is too lengthy. Especially from the 1960s recession onwards to urban development where alot of chunks aren't about Komtar itself & can be further compressed. Those subsections are good, but probably more suited for articles like Wong Pow Nee & Lim Chong Eu (which look like a short drive-thru rather than a deep dive, by the way). Will have a deeper look later 😉 hundenvonPG (talk) 10:24, 13 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article January Storm you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by ChristieBot, on behalf of FenrisAureus -- FenrisAureus (talk) 09:20, 15 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The article January Storm you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold . The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needing to be addressed. If these are fixed within 7 days, the article will pass; otherwise it may fail. See Talk:January Storm and Talk:January Storm/GA1 for issues which need to be addressed. Message delivered by ChristieBot, on behalf of FenrisAureus -- FenrisAureus (talk) 08:23, 17 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The article January Storm you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:January Storm for comments about the article, and Talk:January Storm/GA1 for the nomination. Well done! If the article has never appeared on the Main Page as a "Did you know" item, and has not appeared within the last year either as "Today's featured article", or as a bold link under "In the news" or in the "On this day" prose section, you can nominate it within the next seven days to appear at DYK. Bolded names with dates listed at the bottom of the "On this day" column do not affect DYK eligibility. Message delivered by ChristieBot, on behalf of FenrisAureus -- FenrisAureus (talk) 05:42, 19 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi PenangLion. If you are going to continue not work with short form refs (((sfn)) or ((harv))) templates can I suggest you turn on the associated error messages? You can find details of how to do so here Category:Harv and Sfn template errors. If you have any questions please just ask. -- LCU ActivelyDisinterested «@» °∆t° 15:55, 19 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hello again. For the second time this month I've had to make mass correction to your edits of Komtar. If you are unable to keep track of cites while using short form refs can I suggest using one of the simpler referencing styles outlined by WP:REFB. -- LCU ActivelyDisinterested «@» °∆t° 16:24, 27 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Apologies. I intended to do the sfn fixes today as I don't have time to do so right after. gavre (al. PenangLion) (talk) 04:10, 28 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hey PenangLion. I was just alerted to some user by the name of Malaysia Skyline who begun adding some unverified presentation slide into the Penang article. Looking through that user's history of edits, there appears to be a tendency for edit-warring and disruptive editing. I saw one of those disagreements involving you previously. Just wondering what are your thoughts on this? Thanks. hundenvonPG (talk) 10:02, 25 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

He has caused many headaches to Malaysian skyscraper-related and Penang-related articles.

I don't have any prejudice but several editors from Johore have tried to claim supremacy on statistics of Johor Bahru against George Town. There was an edit conflict on the main page on George Town involving the statement of "...being the second largest metropolitan area in Malaysia", where the Johorean editors tried to force an ambiguous statement or the claim that JB is the second largest metropolitan area.

Malaysian Skyline has significantly disrupted the list of skyscrapers in Malaysia by inserting copyrighted images and adding broken tables (not even mentioning, fake or unsourced statistics that are biased towards Johorean buildings).

I suspect that the account is a sockpuppet of a master-account, given that other unverified editors have made edits of similar styles. It's just that I don't have the time to check further on this. gavre (al. PenangLion) (talk) 12:42, 25 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Rather persistent behaviour from them. For some reason, that sort of superiority complex is prevalent there (also speaking from personal experience, as I used to stay there).

Probably it's best to keep a close watch on anything Penang-related. I'm considering building a case, in case the next time that user or puppets display disruptive behaviour that affects the factual viability of Penang-related articles. Any more of that and it's straight to the admins. hundenvonPG (talk) 14:01, 25 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I didn't read your edit conflicts with him earlier, and I wrote the comment based on your initial reply.

Oh god! Turns out he was editing the exact same thing as I wrote to you! They truly never change. gavre (al. PenangLion) (talk) 14:12, 25 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

No worries I'm more than certain that the current reference is rock solid. He was trying to replace it with some presentation slide that when I looked through, didn't state where the data was from. Not verifiable, solid grounds for reverting those edits.

Looks like the only way is to actually put a stop to such disruptive patterns. hundenvonPG (talk) 14:21, 25 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hey PenangLion. Wanted to ask if it's allright to use your rewrite of the government section in George Town. At the moment the rewriting of George Town is almost there (just a few sections left). I may have some ideas on adding breadth to the government rewrite too. Thanks. hundenvonPG (talk) 00:39, 28 December 2023 (UTC) Reply[reply]

Yeah, absolutely. I intended to rewrite the entire article but found it too much for me to work on. gavre (al. PenangLion) (talk) 04:10, 28 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Hi! I saw your recent edits on the Komtar bus terminal article. I would like to firstly thank you for clearing up the mistakes made in the article as I do not have as much knowledge as you do, since I live in Singapore. However I wish to clarify some other points.

1st, I do understand that RapidPenang refers to this terminal as just “Komtar”. However I think that this would create some confusion with the main Komtar article for readers. Also, in SG we also sometimes refer to terminals as its main name, but it isn’t the full name. I prefer if the article simply be called “Komtar Bus Terminal” to make clear what it is.

2nd, the RapidPenang logo in the infobox can be bigger for readers to see the logo clearly.

As per this I will be editing the article to adjust to these two points. I hope you understand the reasons for these changes to your edits. Otherwise your edits will remain the same, so I wish to thank you again for fixing any mistakes I had made in the article. If you wish to clarify anything with me concerning this article please do message me in my talk page. Thank you once again! WyvrnLim (talk) 10:35, 5 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

When I started writing the main article for Komtar I had no intentions of splitting the section for the bus terminal with the main article due to how related they were. The only split that can occur in my opinion is with the main LRT station that will be built that is a station with the same name.

In honesty, naming conventions per Komtar (bus terminal) is more or less more accurate with Komtar bus terminal. But the terminal never had an official name so putting capitals like Komtar Bus Terminal is something I don't really agree with.

I used an alternative referencing format, which means you have to refit the references in the split article manually once more. I'll assist you on that if you need to. gavre (al. PenangLion) (talk) 04:10, 6 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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