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Thanks for contributing to the article Peter Draffin. However, one of Wikipedia's core policies is that material must be verifiable and attributed to reliable sources. You have recently used citations which copied, or mirrored, material from Wikipedia. This leads to a circular reference and is not acceptable. Most mirrors are clearly labeled as such, but some are in violation of our license and do not provide the correct attribution. Please help by adding alternate sources to the article you edited! If you need any help or clarification, you can look at Help:Contents/Editing Wikipedia or ask at Wikipedia:New contributors' help page, or just ask me. Thank you. Kuru (talk) 12:11, 16 April 2020 (UTC)
OK then, thanks for clarifying. QLitBabel (talk) 15:29, 16 April 2020 (UTC)
The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/C S Burrough until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.
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Hello, QLitBabel. We welcome your contributions, but if you have an external relationship with the people, places or things you have written about on Wikipedia, you may have a conflict of interest (COI). Editors with a conflict of interest may be unduly influenced by their connection to the topic. See the conflict of interest guideline and FAQ for organizations for more information. We ask that you:
In addition, you are required by the Wikimedia Foundation's terms of use to disclose your employer, client, and affiliation with respect to any contribution which forms all or part of work for which you receive, or expect to receive, compensation. See Wikipedia:Paid-contribution disclosure.
Also, editing for the purpose of advertising, publicising, or promoting anyone or anything is not permitted. Thank you. duffbeerforme (talk) 23:03, 29 September 2021 (UTC)
Welcome to Wikipedia. It might not have been your intention, but you recently removed maintenance templates from Wikipedia. When removing maintenance templates, please be sure to either resolve the problem that the template refers to, or give a valid reason for the removal in the edit summary. Please see Help:Maintenance template removal for further information on when maintenance templates should or should not be removed. If this was a mistake, don't worry, as your removal of this template has been reverted. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia, and if you would like to experiment, please use your sandbox. Thank you. duffbeerforme (talk) 23:03, 29 September 2021 (UTC)
To clarify on the tag removal: the Help:Maintenance template removal page's "When To Remove" paragraph clearly states:
Further, the Edit warring page clearly states:
... I did so on those valid grounds, but in the process lost the article’s info box, which I rectified, hence my edit summary ‘corrected info box’ (08:46, 29 September), which was the last part of that time-consuming edit – it was not, as you asserted above it, ‘a blatant lie’ but a condensed note. Attacking my integrity by calling me a liar, and your unfounded ‘COI accusation’ is personal, presumptuous and out of line. No, I really have no COI. Conversely, you do seem to have some ‘reverse’ COI from the consistently negative bias and combative tone of your edit summaries. You don’t display a particularly neutral POV and sound to be in some close conflict with the article’s subject.
On notability, just because you personally “haven’t heard of” a well-known Australian author does not make them un-notable – most Australians have undoubtedly never heard of a high number of American and other nationalized subjects of Wikipedia articles – that does not render them un-notable – is this some petty parochial issue you're having? The proof of this subject’s bestselling status is reflected in the referencing (e.g. no. 7). Further, the article’s talk page clearly confirms that:
Do you really see yourself as above these entities?
As for your claim “at the recent the recent afd everyone that commented on the article that wasn't you called for deletion” – only 1 other person answered and that was you:
So again, who has the COI here?
Re Burrough’s book being primary – the referencing shows that its author didn’t publish, catalogue or review it – but whichever way you choose to see that, I had merely pointed out there is non-primary referencing in the article too. The idea of the photo being some “official portrait” would appear to exist only in your own fertile imagination. Finally, your issues with the article seem largely stylistic, which is subjective and bound to differ from person to person.
Your behavior has been:
... and reflects seriously on your administrative capacity (blatant misuse of administrative tools, gross and persistent misjudgment and conduct issues). This is reportable under numerous Wikipedia guidelines, e.g.:
… and I shall not hesitate to do so if it continues and you persist in refusing to remove the COI tag, which is a malicious and defamatory fabrication (your talk page shows your abysmal track record of interpersonal contention, so I am by no means your first target in this respect on record).
Sincerely, QLitBabel (talk) 07:48, 1 October 2021 (UTC)
Re “What are you trying to say about those talk page tags? They say absolutely nothing about notability”. Yes they do, your maintenance tag reads: "the topic of this article may not meet Wikipedia's general notability guideline.”
And yes, the person who flagged the article for deletion months ago, prior to its later development, apologized on the afd page, i.e. “Apologies didn't see your names up here. New to process” ...
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/C S Burrough
... which you conveniently whitewash in your attempt to cover up a blatant lie (above) about “at the recent afd everyone that commented on the article that wasn't you called for deletion” when the only other commentator was yourself.
You have indeed “misused administrative tools” by issuing maintenance tags falsely accusing the article’s subject of “not meet[ing] Wikipedia's general notability guideline” and its major contributor appearing “to have a close connection with its subject” – both blatantly untrue, out of line and therefore reportable.
On notability: how many Australian authors have you “heard of”? Several hundred here: Category:Australian_writers.
... by your rationale of having “never heard of” them / "not the stuff of notability" (see your comments above) they’re presumably all un-notable, so you’ll be rushing to delete each one. Unlike many of those, the subject of this article has works held at the National Library of Australia:
National Library of Australia C S Burrough
No idea what you mean about the "amendment/shortening of paragraph" point (nor, apparently, do you) as previously explained after my already clarifying the time-consuming loss then rectification of the article’s info box, which took several attempts.
None of my other articles have received such negativity, so why your conspiratorial “COI” paranoia compels you to zoom in on this one is perplexing – I am further convinced it is you, not I, with the COI, in your rabidly unnecessary targeting of this. To make such persistent accusations without supporting evidence (because there is none) is as absurd as your other obstructive input – why people exist merely to seek out and provoke online discord is unfathomable (I believe 'trolling" rather then "editing" is the word). You don't sound at all like a happy Wikipedian, clearly in need of time out and/or have a personal agenda to discredit this article's subject and/or creator (i.e. "not notable", a "COI" etc.) and are arguably swallowing too many Duff Beers.
I first attempted the utmost civility, with “respectfully ask” and “kind regards”, only to meet with your usual stream of hostility and sarcastic diatribe. Resorting to your own language then proved futile. I have wasted sufficient time and energy trying, in earnest, to reason with you – not even my most flippant, insolent and unhinged 13-year-old school pupils have resorted to “feel free to report me at any time”.
I am disinclined to engage further, and any more such abuse from you on my otherwise polite and harmonious User Page will be ignored and/or removed with the contempt it deserves. I am meanwhile in consultation over your being reported, and not just by myself. I sincerely hope whoever you ask for "another opinion" thoroughly reads and digests this discussion, as are my own advisors. QLitBabel (talk) 08:07, 5 October 2021 (UTC)
Re “What are you trying to say about those talk page tags? They say absolutely nothing about notability”. Yes they do, your maintenance tag reads: "the topic of this article may not meet Wikipedia's general notability guideline.”
Further, the article’s talk page clearly confirms that:
This article is within the scope of Wikipedia:WikiProject Biography
C. S. Burrough is within the scope of WikiProject Australia
This article is supported by the arts and entertainment work group
"the topic of this article may not meet Wikipedia's general notability guideline.”is not on the talk page.
And yes, the person who flagged the article for deletion months ago, prior to its later development, apologized on the afd page, i.e. “Apologies didn't see your names up here. New to process” ...
You have indeed “misused administrative tools” by issuing maintenance tags
No idea what you mean about the "amendment/shortening of paragraph" point
"m (Amendment/shortening of paragraph)". Then below Line 1: we can see what you changed. Nowhere in that change is any shortening of paragraph. duffbeerforme (talk) 04:58, 6 October 2021 (UTC)
It was not my intention to “misrepresent” anything, possibly a simple case of misperception on both our parts, though I feel you have been deliberately obtuse in refusing to concede my every point.
Your “administrative tools” argument is grasping at semantics – the tags were administered by you (requiring two bots to complete your administration) and were overzealously and spuriously used, there being no COI on my part, an acceptable degree of notability and existing non-primary sources.
Who posted the expired afd tag and who apologized is more picking at straws, the point stands that the article developed substantially after it and only you commented against keeping it, at the non-consensus stage.
Which talk page "the topic of this article may not meet Wikipedia's general notability guideline” is on does not negate the support and recognition the article received from the outset by unbiased entities, i.e.:
… which would not have been forthcoming had the subject not been a known literary figure not lacking in notability.
I have repeatedly explained to the best of my ability the “amendment/shortening of paragraph" point – the edit shows that the info box template was reinserted after being accidentally lost in a sperate edit and a paragraph was amended at that time. Your continual reiteration of this moot point is telling.
The extremes you have reached struggling to discredit the article and its subject show a disproportionately negative bias and COI against the subject. No other editor has even fractionally shown your level of objection. Your fervid persistence crossed a line some time ago, becoming tantamount to harassment and may only be redressed at a higher level, with your recalcitrance cited as a reference point. It would appear to be in your best interest to desist forthwith. I see no purpose in this convoluted discussion covering old ground and going in circles.
Sincerely, QLitBabel (talk) 06:48, 6 October 2021 (UTC)
(requiring two bots to complete your administration
Who posted the expired afd tag and who apologized is more picking at straws,
conveniently whitewash in your attempt to cover up a blatant liebut when it's shown beyond doubt that you were wrong it's just picking at straws. Regardless, that afd closed as no consensus so the question of notability was not answered.
Which talk page "the topic of this article may not meet Wikipedia's general notability guideline” is on
the support and recognition the article received from the outset by unbiased entitiesand
… which would not have been forthcoming had the subject not been a known literary figure not lacking in notability.
I have repeatedly explained to the best of my ability the “amendment/shortening of paragraph" point – the edit shows that the info box template was reinserted after being accidentally lost
m (Amendment/shortening of paragraph). They can also see there is no
shortening of paragraph. duffbeerforme (talk) 11:53, 7 October 2021 (UTC)
There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard regarding a possible conflict of interest incident with which you may be involved. Thank you. duffbeerforme (talk) 11:16, 5 October 2021 (UTC)
The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Peter Draffin until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.
Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article.
duffbeerforme (talk) 12:10, 7 October 2021 (UTC)
The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/C. S. Burrough until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.
Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article.
duffbeerforme (talk) 12:10, 7 October 2021 (UTC)
Please do not remove Articles for deletion notices from articles or remove other people's comments in Articles for deletion pages, as you did with C. S. Burrough. Doing so won't stop the discussion from taking place. You are, however, welcome to comment about the proposed deletion on the appropriate page. Thank you. Theroadislong (talk) 13:10, 7 October 2021 (UTC)
Please stop attacking other editors, as you did on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/C. S. Burrough. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Comment on content, not on other contributors or people. Theroadislong (talk) 08:01, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
I have the same rights as any other editor to defend myself when under attack, and will persist as long as defamatory defense is needed.
You may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time you make personal attacks on other people. Comment on content, not on fellow editors. Theroadislong (talk) 08:46, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
Hello QLitBabel. I have blocked you from editing for a period of 1 week. Your repeated hostile behaviour towards other users is simply unacceptable. While I appreciate that having your articles nominated for deletion is a stressful experience, the way to deal with this is not to lash out at the other people involved. Should you return to editing after this block expires, then please take careful note of our policies on civility and also conflicts of interest. If you do not, you will likely be indefinitely blocked sooner rather than later. Regards, The Land (talk) 12:27, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
The Land you have, simply, not done your homework - all of this will come out in the wash. Investigation is well under way and will show the level of misconduct here. QLitBabel (talk) 12:59, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
((unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~))
. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 23:15, 11 October 2021 (UTC)QLitBabel (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))
Request reason:
There is no evidence of a conflict of interest, as I have repeatedly shown in discussions QLitBabel (talk) 00:41, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
Decline reason:
With the level of querulousness you have demonstrated, I think it is better not to unblock at this time. — Daniel Case (talk) 04:51, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
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Request reason:
What I mean is that accusing someone of COI is not the same as "evidence" of them being in COI. And I have always reciprocated civility when treated with it. QLitBabel (talk) 05:03, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
Decline reason:
There is plenty of evidence here, such as the professional looking photo that you claim as your own work- either you are telling the truth, in which case you got Mr. Burrows to sit for you and thus have a COI, or you didn't tell the truth, in which case you don't understand copyright. Either way, there are no grounds to remove the block. 331dot (talk) 09:33, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
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Burrough did not sit for me - this I have explained in detail on 5 Oct and 10 Oct on said COI page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest/Noticeboard#C._S._Burrough QLitBabel (talk) 09:42, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
Decline reason:
The explanation offered is not convincing. Girth Summit (blether) 08:58, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
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Whether or not the explanation given is "convincing" to someone is subjective, does not equate to fact, and is therefore not "evidence" of anything. QLitBabel (talk) 09:31, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
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QLitBabel (talk) 09:31, 23 October 2021 (UTC)}
You keep claiming there is no evidence, 4 admins on this talk page and several uninvolved editors over at COIN have reviewed the articles, all talk pages etc and concluded that there is a COI, at this point your vehement denials are more IDHT I suggest the next admin revokes TPA as we are obviously wasting time here. Lavalizard101 (talk) 09:54, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
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Request reason:
The block is not necessary to prevent damage or disruption to Wikipedia - i.e. COI accusations are mistaken, unproven and have been extensively explored, as per all of the above) QLitBabel (talk) 02:22, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
Decline reason:
The COI really is blatant, and this is not going anywhere. I am declining this request and revoking talk page access. --Blablubbs (talk) 15:48, 29 October 2021 (UTC)
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Again with the COI being "unproven" when SEVERAL USERS AND 4 ADMINS HAVE CONCLUDED THAT THERE IS. WP:IDHT is even more obvious now, I suggest the next declining admin also revoke TPA as we are obviuosly not going to get anywhere with this user. 10:28, 26 October 2021 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lavalizard101 (talk • contribs)
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UTRS appeal #50192 is closed. @QLitBabel: I don't know why you think repeating your denials at UTRS would be efficacious when they were rejected here. --Deepfriedokra (talk) 15:18, 30 October 2021 (UTC)