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That sounds really useful; would you be able to scan the pages in and email them to me? I'm pretty sure email is turned on in my preferences, and I seem to recall that you emailed me something before? It sounds a pretty useful book, so I might look it up, especially as I was considering moving onto some of the other methods of dismissal after – though lbw is something that scared me off somewhat, so feel free to work on that yourself! Harrias talk 12:36, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
I'll take a look, but it will have to wait until tomorrow now. JH (talk page) 22:08, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
(a) Long before URDS, in the 2002 ICC Champions trophy, the umpire could refer to the third umpire if he had doubts about an lbw. I don't remember remember whether it was used in any other tests/ODIs.
(b) Looking at http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/story/152418.html, an important change is that it reversed the 1935 amendment. Perhaps it is worth a mention. But in the 1980 code "or on the off side of the Striker's wicket" is back.
(c) Perhaps a word on how the law is used for reverse sweeps and switch hits.
(d) "However, there was a clause in the 1744 laws which gave umpires the power to take action if the batsman was "standing unfair to strike" - From a quick check it seems to refer to fielders, not batsmen - "They are sole judges of all hindrances, crossing ye Players in running, and standing unfair to strike, and in any case of hindrances may order a Notch to be scored." Please check this again. Tintin 02:41, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
I haven't had a proper look at the article yet, but for the "Development of the law" section, you may find "Dates in Cricket History" from the 1978 Wisden useful. (Versions of the article appeared in a number of other Wisden editions over the years, but this is the one that's available online.) See in particular the "EVOLUTION OF THE LAWS OF CRICKET" section, which devotes a subsection to lbw. JH (talk page) 21:10, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
I've had a look now, but so far I haven't got beyond the lead, because IMO it needs a lot of work. I've made a few improvements to the wording, but have the following more substantive points:
JH (talk page) 22:02, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
One other thought: the claim at the very end of the lead that the use of technology has led to an increase in lbw dismissals needs a citation to support it. There are probably a few other places in the lead where a citation would be a good idea. JH (talk page) 09:55, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
Note: I've copied this over to the lbw talk page, where it may be more useful! I'll leave all this here for now, but will move any more replies over to that section. --Sarastro1 (talk) 18:28, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
A sterling effort this one. Aaroncrick TALK 10:55, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
Glad to see that you are working on this article, which could certainly do with expansion and improvement. I'm sorry that you've deleted this paragraph, though: Hobbs acquired his love of cricket from his father and said he "took to it naturally (as) the best way to make a decent living".[1] Hobbs began by playing with friends as a young boy and recalled that "the first wicket he defended was a lamp-post in a Cambridge street".[2] It seems to me that those two quotations are illuminating. JH (talk page) 09:54, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
I have reviewed the GA nomination for this article, and I see above why I found almost no issues with the article when reviewing it. I do have one question about global trends, but I expect I will be listing this as a GA quite easily. Regards, Resolute 23:47, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
Hi Sarastro, since you peer reviewed this article for me a while back, I thought I'd let you know that it's currently at FAC. Any feedback would be appreciated if you have time/are interested. Thanks, Mark Arsten (talk) 03:03, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
Doing a bit of picture trawling I found this one and thought you might find it useful.
Johnlp (talk) 23:54, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
Might illustrate the "poster boy" aspect of Chapman! Johnlp (talk) 00:14, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
Thank you for the review! I am glad you found the article easy to read, and I find your review especially helpful given your unfamiliarity with hockey. You did express confusion about McDonald's draft and the number of teams and leagues involved. I have reworded it (in the junior section). Could you take another quick look at that paragraph and let me know if you find it easier to understand? Thanks! Resolute 02:21, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
On the bright side, it isn't a new record for Kent, though it is a record for the ninth wicket by Kent against Yorkshire. I'm guessing you might stay immersed in the older history of your county for a while longer yet to hide yourself from the present day achievements? Meanwhile in Somerset, after just a few days, I'm willing to admit that things look pretty much the same: lots of promise, and not so much delivery. But if we can wrestle a victory on Day 4, then it would be a better start to the Championship than we've had in a few years.. Though, to be honest, a draw would be a better result than we've managed in a few years! Harrias talk 20:06, 7 April 2012 (UTC)
Good timing on the review. ;) I have tried to address your concerns, thanks again. Resolute 22:46, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
I took care of some of the concerns, plus I further expanded the article a bit. With the few remaining concerns, especially the racism my main archive source is currently down so I should fix and expand on it tomorrow. Thanks Secret account 04:35, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
I think I took care of most of the concerns, so can you check in again when you get a chance. Thanks Secret account 18:13, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
This is a sockpuppet of BlackJack. I recall you were caught up in it last time. Sent to Admin - just look at JM's user history(1000 or so edits worth). If you still disagree then I'd been surprised. Sorry to come back but this is a blatant sockpuppet for God's sake. Pleae note the attacks made on Golden Age of Cricket by BJ and Cricket 1940-44 by JM - they are as plain as possible. Can we please have action regarding Jim Hardie who is a blatant sockpuppet of Blackjack. Evidence - Jim Hardie has made over a hundred edits to pre=1800 cricket since 18th Feb whem user Blackjack 'retired'. No other editor has made these type of edits except Blackjack - these being tidying of references etc. He has attacked the entries of another editor using the same language, the same phrases, the same inside knowledge that was used when Blackjack was previously identified as an aggressive sockpuppet some time ago. He has used 'pretend' conversations between himself and Blackjack in a manner seen previously when he was using BartMaverick, Orrelly Man, JamesJJames sockpuppets. To summarise - Hardie has been active since Blackjack went silent - he edits the same esoteric edits using the same turns of phrase - attacks other editors in the same manner and has used similar expresions found on the Blackjack Midnight Rambler and Stumpsite website. Jim Hardie is blackjack. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.155.74.151 (talk) 07:06, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
I replied to some of your comments in the PR. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 18:00, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
The quote from Chapman's ex-wife after his death reads oddly: I presume "use" should be "must" but I don't have the relevant book. Johnlp (talk) 23:28, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
Apart from cricketarchive, there are the various ACS guides and the early Yorkshire yearbooks - it changes in that. Leyland, like several other players was 'given' a name by the newspapers and journals and it stuck AC Russell, Ernest Tyldesley. An unrelated example is 'Harold' Shipman - he was HF Shipman and known as H Frederick Shipman on his door plaque at the surgery. Once the media christian someone is stuck with it. The wisden obit does state his given name was Morris. The YP does not have an online resource - my source was the research done by the late Tony Woodhouse and John Featherstone when they compiled the ACS guides and Woodhouse's Yorkshire book. (That is not a reliable source as Tony was very ill as he came to complete it and his original submission was nearly three times the length - it was hastily trimmed and lost any sense of narrative.) I'll see what the cricketer gives in the obit though the cricketer was not going well in 1967 and entries are brief. However as cricketarchive shows, his given name was Morris. He is Maurice in Mailey's book 'and then came Bradman' which suggests it was early in his career when he mutated - that is a book not to be trusted either - Mailey was not at most of the play! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.155.74.151 (talk) 07:19, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
From Jack Hobbs : "In 1953, Hobbs became the second professional cricketer, after Don Bradman, to receive a knighthood for his services to the sport as a player (two cricket administrators had also previously been knighted)."
I see that you've been doing a substantial amount of copy editing. You deleted this sentence: "Bill Voce had pursued similar tactics earlier in the match and knocked out one of the home batsmen." I'd restore that, as it provides a possible explanation for why Constantine decided to bowl short. JH (talk page) 08:41, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
Thank you for reviewing Bal des Ardents - at PR and FAC. I had to step back after the PR and think about how to bring it all together, and finally found the right balance in the tricky sections! Truthkeeper (talk) 14:47, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
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Congratulations. You really are the only person adding high quality in-depth cricket articles currently and it's much appreciated (by me, at least). Johnlp (talk) 16:26, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
Congratulations from me too. JH (talk page) 21:12, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
Hi, I spotted your elevation of this article to featured status on the cricket project page and have just read it. Congratulations. It is a very fine piece about a great Yorkshire bowler who must be up there with Barnes, Rhodes, Spofforth and who have you as one of the best there's ever been.
I perceive that you relied mainly on Alan Hill's biography supplemented by additional input from other sources such as Robertson-Glasgow and I'd like to ask if you found that to be the best approach, rather than compiling notes from umpteen different sources and then collating it all. In other words, did you decide on one definitive biographical source first and then add to it? I ask because I'm working on Bill Shankly and have begun by working through his autobiography, written after he retired from Liverpool, as the key source. I am supplementing it by reference to a fortunately expansive tribute site within the official Liverpool domain and a significant biography by local writer Stephen Kelly. In addition, I have autobiographies by Ian St John and Tommy Smith which should be of use, plus a handful of other books. Sorry, I realise Shanks is the man who once said "I'll cricket you" when told about a cricket pitch in the Liverpool training complex, but I am a cricket fan too and was doing a little work on Fred Trueman till I decided to specialise. I intend to come back to Fred later.
Another question I have is around something I find a little confusing. Internet sources. Many articles have a section called External Links but I removed this from Shankly as the entries were either deadlinks or were being used in the article, especially the Liverpool one I mentioned above. I've currently included two sites in the references section as used sources but I see your websources are not in the bibliography. Instead you declare them in full at inline level. I take it your method is the approved one but can you please give me some guidance or rationale around what is expected re websources?
A final question. I would like to have a peer review done for Shankly when complete (still a fair bit outstanding) and then go to the good article process via phased approach to the featured level. Do you think that is sound, especially as I am on the Wikipedia learning curve, so to speak?
Any advice you can give me will be much appreciated. Again, great work on Hedley Verity. --Brian (talk) 18:55, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
Hi Sarastro. Just wanted to thank you for taking the time to review Doc Adams at PR. I'm thrilled to see that you think it has a chance of making it through FAC when it's cleaned up; that's a strong statement from someone with your experience. I'm going to be fairly busy through next Wednesday, but I'll peck away at your comments here and there when I get the chance, and will let you know if I have any questions. Thanks again! Giants2008 (Talk) 00:37, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
Hey. I'd be willing to review this article, but given the length of it as well as my lack of time on the site, the review would probably take place over the course of a couple weeks (I hate doing it but no way around it). Would you be alright with that? Wizardman Operation Big Bear 02:53, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
Anything else on him? We're getting close to taking him to FAC ... Ealdgyth - Talk 12:36, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
You know far more about the requirements for FA and GA than I do, but it seems to me that - while brevity is a virtue - one shouldn't be too hog-tied by artitrary length limits. Surely how long an article should be ought to be governed by how important the person is and/or how much there is to be fitted in? Don Bradman is a Featured Article; how does the length of the Hobbs article compare with that?
That said, I've no objection in principle to splitting off some of the more detailed stuff into separate articles. I'm not sure if "The post-war career of Jack Hobbs" would be an ideal title, though, as someone coming across the article other than via the main article might initially be confused about which war it was. So I'd suggest something like "The post World War I career of Jack Hobbs". JH (talk page) 08:18, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
"Hammond publicly expressed sympathy for the discrimination suffered by Constantine and other black West Indians..." That could be interpreted as saying precisely the opposite of what you intended. Hammond was presumably sympathetic to the victims of the discrimination, rather than sympathising with their being disciminated against. I haven't changed it, as I'm not sure myself what a good form of words would be. JH (talk page) 20:42, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
A flying visit to the site following an e-mail I received from Dweller about the idiot (you know who I mean). I'm glad to see that you are developing Jack Hobbs which became an unfinished project for me as I'm simply too busy in real life, but I would advise against over-reliance on Leo McInstry who does not have the credibility of Arlott, or even Mason, especially given his association with the Harperson. I've invariably found that the older sources, though perceived to be "unfashionable", have much more to say than "cool" (i.e, Blairite lunacy) modern alternatives. However, if you're happy that McInstry's view of Hobbs is acceptable and that his research has been thorough, then go ahead. ----Jack | talk page 21:14, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
This is what it says:
"Hobbs... was in as brilliant form as he had been for a long time past but, unhappily, as in the three preceding seasons he found himself, owing to indisposition and injury, compelled to stand out of quite a number of championship games. How Surrey have suffered in this respect of recent years will, to some extent, be understood when it is mentioned that in the course of four seasons, the great batsman has been absent from no fewer than forty-two out of 108 competition fixtures contested by Surrey." Ref: Cite book | title = Wisden Cricketers' Almanack | edition = 1930 | volume = Part II | publisher = Wisden |chapter = Surrey Matches | page = 305.
My Wisdens go back to 1912 but I'm missing some war years (I'm less interested in them if there's no cricket worth reading about!). Johnlp (talk) 21:51, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
I'll rummage and report back. Tim riley (talk) 12:21, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
From the infobox: "Bowling style Right arm fast-medium". My understanding is that before his injury he was genuinely fast, but after it he was probably no more than medium-paced. So I'd be inclined to put "fast" in the infobox. JH (talk page) 20:32, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
The political stuff is interesting, though a lot of it seems rather speculative. It's worth bearing in mind that at this time the main inspiration for the British Fascists would have been Mussolini, as I imagine that almost no-one in the UK would then have heard of Hitler. JH (talk page) 20:58, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
Might be worth saying a bit more about his encouragement of Tate to switch from off-spinner to fast-medium bowler. Arguably that was Gilligan's most important contribution to English cricket. JH (talk page) 08:40, 11 June 2012 (UTC)
"He later played several charity games during the Second World War, including some for Sussex and for the Royal Air Force." Do we know if he was actually in the RAF in WW2? He would have been in his forties when war broke out, so presumably wouldn't have been too old to be called up. Since he was playing some cricket, he clearly hadn't been interned, which would have happened if the authorities had still had any worries about possible fascist sympathies. JH (talk page) 20:13, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
Hi, can you provide an informal review of this list at its talk page. I'm willing to take this to FLC. —Vensatry (Ping me) 12:48, 3 June 2012 (UTC)
I have nominated Yorkshire captaincy affair of 1927, of which you are the main contributor, to be the featured article on the main page. The nomination can be found at WP:TFA/R. Bzweebl (talk • contribs) 03:15, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
I can understand your feeling that you've had enough of the article for the time being! I haven't yet seen your to-do list, or indeed read your last night's updates to the article. But over the last couple of weeks I've been making my own notes on things that I think ought to be in. Some of them may have been addressed by later edits, but in case some are useful here they are:
JH (talk page) 09:08, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
Congrats on Yorkshire captaincy affair of 1927 being a Today's Featured Article! That's quite something. JH (talk page) 17:16, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
Thanks, I read your review and I'll try going over the article when I get some spare time.--CyberGhostface (talk) 21:29, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
No, Wisden 1925 mentions the incident in three separate places that I can see – in the report on the match itself, in the blurb about Sussex in the front of the section on the county, and in the Notes by the Editor. But nowhere does it say who struck the blow. There are some quotes I can furnish you with about how the injury was more serious than was at first supposed, etc etc, if you want... Johnlp (talk) 14:57, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
I don't know where anyone would get that idea?! Uhmmm... Oh well. Seriously though, it was only meant in the most positive way: your reviews are by far the most thorough and productive I've received, and given the user in question had commented on how tough I was to please, I thought I'd pass your name along. Though it was possibly a tad unfair, as I know you have little interest in lists. I've started to look through your comments, but it might be slow going: things are a bit manic at the moment, and there are occasional breaks in the rain for me to watch cricket in too. Our season has been pretty disappointing so far: the Championship has been average, and the CB40 atrocious. Roll on the Twenty20, though I wouldn't be surprised if both our overseas players get struck down with a mystery illness yet... Harrias talk 18:02, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
Replied to each of your comments at the GA review. A couple of questions for you over points. Harrias talk 13:02, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
This is a note to let the main editors of Yorkshire captaincy affair of 1927 know that the article will be appearing as today's featured article on June 11, 2012. You can view the TFA blurb at Wikipedia:Today's featured article/June 11, 2012. If you prefer that the article appear as TFA on a different date, or not at all, please ask featured article director Raul654 (talk · contribs) or his delegate Dabomb87 (talk · contribs), or start a discussion at Wikipedia talk:Today's featured article/requests. If the previous blurb needs tweaking, you might change it—following the instructions at Wikipedia:Today's featured article/requests/instructions. If this article needs any attention or maintenance, it would be preferable if that could be done before its appearance on the Main Page. The blurb as it stands now is below:
The Yorkshire captaincy affair of 1927 arose from a disagreement among members of Yorkshire County Cricket Club over whether a professional cricketer should be appointed as the team captain. It was a tradition throughout English county cricket that captains should be amateurs. At Yorkshire, a succession of amateur captains held office in the 1920s, on the grounds of their supposed leadership qualities, although none were worth their place in the team as cricketers. The Yorkshire committee, prompted by the influential county president, Lord Hawke, approached Herbert Sutcliffe, one of the side's leading professionals. After Sutcliffe's provisional acceptance of the captaincy, controversy arose. Some Yorkshire members objected to the appointment because Sutcliffe was not an amateur; others felt that that Wilfred Rhodes, the team's senior professional, should have been asked. When Sutcliffe became aware of the furore, he withdrew his acceptance. No offer was made to Rhodes, and the county subsequently appointed amateur William Worsley as captain; he had little personal success and lasted just two seasons. (more...)
UcuchaBot (talk) 23:02, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
Hi, Nightscream and I both managed to rework the article a bit per your suggestions. The only things I was not able to do were A.) find any prominent liberal commentators discussing it (aside from Stewart and Colbert poking fun at Beck and Dobbs) and B.) fix some of the "some say" bit in the initial paragraph on reception as the references in question refer to the reaction at large (fans, internet commentators etc) as opposed to specific groups or people.
Besides that Nightscream expanded the lead and I fixed the grammar issues as well as adding a bit to the reception section about early reviews of the comic. If there's anything missing I will try to include it soon. Thanks.--CyberGhostface (talk) 02:18, 9 June 2012 (UTC)
I expect that CMJ's book will have a fair amount on Yardley's broadcasting career. I'll see what I can dig out. ISTR that Yardley's Wijipedia article didn't say anything about his broadcasting at all until I added a little. I can remember him as an expert summariser in the 1960s. He seemed like a very nice chap, understanding of the difficulties that the players faced and not one of the "it was a lot better in my day" brigade. In that he was a constrast to the other main summariser at that time, Freddie Brown, who tended to be very intolerant of the modern game (the Fred Trueman of his day) and who had a voice that sounded as if it had been well pickled in whisky over many years! JH (talk page) 08:59, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
Just checked and CMJ's book was very disappointing, having very little on Yardley, though it's useful for listing the BBC radio (and TV) commentary teams for every post-war Test. However I've found some useful stuff in Trevor Bailey's autobiography, not only about him as a broadcaster but also as a captain. JH (talk page) 18:40, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
OK, done. Have a look and see what you think. I was a little lazy, providing two separate full citations for the Bailey quotes, as they were on different pages. JH (talk page) 20:04, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
For the record, this is all that the CMJ book has by way of description of Yardley: "... the two familiar voices at the end of each over were Brown's, rich and gravelly, and Yardley's gentler, polite, slightly hesitant tones with a characteristic little 'uh' punctuating his always charitable opinions." (page 99) JH (talk page) 08:49, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
He's not mentioned in the article on the tour, which is short (only two pages, half of one of those taken up by the team list). I can't see that he's mentioned in any match report either: his only innings of note, when he was promoted to open the batting against Notts, doesn't rate a mention. The only fielding that's specifically commented upon is that of Constantine. Johnlp (talk) 20:53, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
Congrats on the FA for Arthur Mold, and thank you for your continuing series of FA-quality articles. Finetooth (talk) 17:55, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
Glad that you've started improving his article. He probably wasn't Jewish, but I think it was widely rumoured that he was and he may have had Jewish ancestry. That might be one reason why someone acknowledged as the best captain of his time, and a very good all-round cricketer, never captained England, as there seems to have been a lot of anti-semitism in Britain between the wars. Of course getting on the wrong side of Lord Harris through writing for the press when touring Australia in 1920-1 probably had a lot to do with it too! JH (talk page) 09:05, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
"When cricket resumed after the war in 1920 he claimed 124 victims." Have you overlooked 1919? JH (talk page) 20:44, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
"Three of his fingers were crushed at the tips, and when they healed were left a quarter-of-an-inch shorter than the others and remained stiff and numb for the rest of his life." Does Streeton say whether it was his right (bowling) or his left (non-bowling) hand? It's something that one would like to know. JH (talk page) 21:08, 9 July 2012 (UTC)
"He began to experiment with leg spin bowling..." So presumanly he had bowled medium pace up to that point? That could do with being made clearer. "In the meantime, Fender attempted to gain a place at Caius College, Cambridge but was turned down owing to the restriction his injury placed upon his cricket, and his desire to concentrate on academic interests to further his business career." Surely his inability to play much cricket shouldn't have been a major factor? Also surely a "desire to concentrate on academic interests" should have been a plus point? Would it read better as "his desire to concentrate primarily on those parts of the curriculum which would help him in his business career"? JH (talk page) 08:51, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
I have decided to wade into something a little different (and I don't mean all these IndyCar articles I'm suddenly working on). I'm am currently drafting an article on overseas players in county cricket (User:Harrias/Overseas players in English county cricket). Any input and suggestion of sources would be greatly appreciated. I've currently got a lot of the information from Birley's Social History of English Cricket, alongside a number of online sources. I will of course mention Yorkshire's stance on the situation! Speaking of Yorkshire; they seem to be having a decent Twenty20 campaign for once.. maybe it will be they that beat Somerset in the final this year. Harrias talk 19:58, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
I will start on the Learie PR this weekend and we'll see how it goes. In return, I may ask you to review an article (not musical) which I have brewing; I'll keep you posted. Brianboulton (talk) 22:54, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
Hello. I don't think I ever thanked you for your comprehensive peer review of Sherlock (TV series), and also your kind comments. I'm enacting you suggestions gradually, real life commitments allowing, and have nominated it at GAC. Many thanks again. The JPStalk to me 21:34, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
Since I was the original creator of the article, you should be able to guess my opinion. :) As usual when CA and CI disagree, CricketArchive is correct. I've never seen him referred to as anything other than Alan. If you're planning on extending the article, then I'd be delighted. JH (talk page) 21:07, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
Will look tomorrow. Been Olympicking tonight at Wembley. Johnlp (talk) 23:35, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
"In general, he withstood the hot weather better than his team-mates, but his weak leg made fielding painful on the hard ground. In all first-class games, he completed the double of 1,000 runs and 100 wickets for the first time. He scored 325 runs at 27.08 and took 32 wickets at 32.71..." That's gone awry! You've inserted the new material (including the bit about 53 catches) in a paragraph about the 1920-1 tour rather than in the correct place. JH (talk page) 09:00, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
According to Lemmon, he was Andrew Jeacocke rather than Alfred. Apparently he opened the innings in 1921 in the absence of Hobbs, did well and was an especially strong driver, as well as being a fine slip fielder. He was an amateur who had a residential qualification for Surrey. Lemmon says: "In 1922, however, his cricket came to an abrupt end after friction and controversy. Kent, or Lord Harris, had challenged his qualification for Surrey, saying that it was not valid. In fact, the house in which he lived was in Kent, but the other side of the road was in Surrey. For the last years of his career Jeacocke played mainly for Free Foresters." I've added him to my ever-lenthening "to do" list, as it's an interesting story. Lemmon doesn't seem to mention the match ehen only he and Fender were on time for the start of play. I think I've heard about it, but that may well have been from the Streeton book! JH (talk page) 20:35, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
Just looked up Jeacocke in the Wisden archive on Cricinfo. There's a short obituary (which contradicts Lemmon by saying that he played for Surrey until 1929). I also found him mentioned in this article by Andrew Sandham, in the context of a splendid anecdote about Fender. JH (talk page) 21:07, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
"After the season, Fender joined a short tour of Jamaica led by Lord Tennyson, playing three first-class matches against the cricket team." Against which cricket team?! Assuming you mean against the Jamaica team then I suggest "against the island team" or something along those lines. JH (talk page) 08:36, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
"Among his favoured shots were the drive, pull and cut." That reads a bit funny, as it doesn't leave a lot - just the leg glance and the hook, which batsmen only rarely get the chance to play anyway. Oh, and the sweep I suppose. Most batsmen have a preference for either the front foot shots or the back foot shots, but it seems that Fender was proficient at both. JH (talk page) 21:14, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
In view of your exchange re CricketArchive's accuracy above, this may be relevant:
"Mr Fender was appointed captain from May up to the end of July, and at Mr. Wilkinson's request, as things were not going very well, he again took charge of the side in the closing matches." Wisden 1921, Chapter "Surrey Matches", Part II, Page 74. Johnlp (talk) 17:40, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
"Surrey's bowling depended in the main on Rushby, Hitch and Fender, G. M. Reay being an invaluable helper... Fender as a bowler was full of resource and, though often quite expensive, did a lot of first-class work. His break was as puzzling as ever, and he was quick to find out the weak points of the batsmen." Page 75, rest of ref as other quote from Wisden 1921 above.
Not much else on bowling: quite a bit on captaincy and the way he turned Surrey into a fine fielding side: "In one particular... Surrey cricket has never been better. The fielding, taking one day with another, was superb. Under Mr. Fender's inspiring leadership the side worked together like one man, their efforts being a constant delight to the crowds that gathered at the Oval. Strudwick kept wicket in his finest form all through the season, and Hitch, wherever he was placed but especially at short leg, Fender himself in the slips, Hobbs and Peach on the off-side, and Sandham in the deep field, were almost beyond praise." This is same ref but page 73.
Johnlp (talk) 19:55, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
I shall be away from home until next Friday (17th) with limited computer access and of course, no library. I intend to check in from time to time but will not be able to do any extensive work on the FAC, should the need arise. Given the rate at which FACs are moving these days (I've just reviewed one that's been on the page since 29 June) that should not be a problem – though Heber came and went rather quickly – there'll be plenty of time for me to get involved a little later. Brianboulton (talk) 20:39, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
Hi. Do you know how I can get someone to evaluate the quality of the Saga (comics) article? Nightscream (talk) 19:17, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
Hi Sarastro, I was wondering if you'd be interested in/have time to do a peer review for me. I've gotten Ruth Norman up to GA and I think it's in decent shape, just under 3000 words. It's a pretty odd subject, about a nice old lady who led a UFO cult of sorts. No problem if you can't get to it though. Thanks, Mark Arsten (talk) 04:57, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
Hi, can you help me with this article. Regards! —Vensatry (Ping me) 14:35, 28 August 2012 (UTC)