Thank you very much for the barnstar, though I feel a little silly getting that as it really wasn't much. And trust me, the pleasure has been all mine working with editors like you. Nableezy (talk) 19:45, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
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Marhaba Tiamut! I recently nominated History of Gaza for Good article status, perhaps prematurely. I see that you have been quite busy with the ancient Arabia subject area, particularly the great job you did with the Qedarites article. If you do have any free time, could you please take a look at the article, specifically the lead? I'm trying to make Gaza a Good topic with the Great Mosque of Gaza already being a GA, and Gaza itself soon to be one. --Al Ameer son (talk) 03:06, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
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Hi Tiamut! You might know the coordinates for the following locations:
Please have a look! If you know where these places are, but don't know or have time to place the coordinate templates, please let me know their locations. Thanks, —Ynhockey (Talk) 16:17, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
Hey Tiamut, it's been nice discussing the article name with you. Can you please do me a favor? You modified your comment after I responded to it. The problem is that it makes my response look stupid. Can you please indicate that the part that you added came after I responded to them so that a reader will not think I responded nonsensically. Thanks, --brewcrewer (yada, yada) 00:48, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
There is some information there that you may find useful harlan (talk) 11:59, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
Hi Tiamut,
I just noticed that NoCal100 (talk · contribs) has stalked you to the quite impressive Lydda Death March and is giving you a hard time there.
I just wanted to point out that NoCal100 has been warned of the consequences of WP:HOUND here. To quote Black Kite (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) there:
Cheers and keep up the wonderful work!
pedrito - talk - 30.04.2009 07:31
Thread on AN/I about this started here Nableezy (talk) 19:21, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
I thank you for your prompt and fair defence of my edits. Just in relation to your genuine criticisms -- I was honestly not aware that 'wiki waring' was considered to be so unless it broke the 3 revert rule. I would be happy to try and avoid edit waring of this kind in future if i knew of some relevant 'higher authority' i could take the dispute to however. The last few times I have had an admin intervene, they have all agreed with my opinion of explaining all of the relevent positions -- What next? Do you think you may be able to inform me of my best options here? Lastly, I do not even recognise the name Chesdovi, and as i explained to Ynhockey, it was not the user i was implying to have been a sock puppet. Rather, it was a random IP and i in no way intended to imply that such use was intentional. Thanks for your help! Cheers. Colourinthemeaning (talk) 15:05, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
On the talk page. If you feel I have not done so to your satisfaction, please join the discussion rather than drive-by tagging, as you did here [1]. Tiamuttalk 18:22, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
The tag clearly says it is not to be removed until the dispute is resolved. You can not unilaterally declare it "resolved" - there are two editors who disagreed with you who need to state it is resolved. I will be making a few edits in the next few minutes to hopefully address some of the issues those editors raised. Canadian Monkey (talk)`
Hi Tiamut! Frankly, I find your comments on Colourinthemeaning's talk page rather offensive. You should not tell other editors, new or old, to ignore something that another editor has said, regardless of sysop status.
Secondly, your accusations are completely baseless: I was not 'throwing around (my) admin authority' or implying anything. All four separate points are made are sound, and are facts. He edit-warred, personally attacked Chesdovi, did not inform a WikiProject or anyone else about the restarting of an old discussion, and he is making controversial edits before previous discussion. If you do not agree with any of these four basic statements, give a reason. If you agree, stop making accusations and telling an editor to ignore another editor.
Thirdly, and please accept my apologies if this isn't so, it appears that you are encouraging Colourinthemeaning to game the system by saying I was blocked 4 times for that myself years ago, so be careful, implying that the only reason he shouldn't edit-war is because he can get blocked for it.
Finally, Colourinthemeaning is not a new editor. He didn't edit much, but this does not make him new, and I have no reason to believe that he has no knowledge of policy. And certainly, someone who has no such knowledge shouldn't be starting their Wikipedia experience by causing controversy. This is what MeteorMaker did, and is now up for sanction, and I would strongly discourage any other editor from acting in this way, both as a very senior Wikipedian and as an administrator. This is not done to 'intimidate' anyone, and I would discourage any editor in any field from such behavior should I encounter it. In fact, I made such a warning to MeteorMaker almost a year ago, which he chose to ignore.
Also, since Colourinthemeaning is indeed likely to listen to you more than to me, perhaps you should tell him about the arbitration case which is extremely relevant to this dispute (both are about I–P termonology), and perhaps he would like to hold off the changes he's making until the case is over. The reason is that right now is a very bad time because the 'parties' involved in the case are not likely to wish to involve themselves in this dispute, in order not to cause harm to themselves, which could make for a much more biased discussion without about half of the regular I–P editors. —Ynhockey (Talk) 21:21, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
No problem Tiamut, but it seems to go nowhere. I think Avi is right in a lot of what he wrote, but disagree with the conclusion. I will be out for a while (سفر إلى بلدي), so best wishes for now, Nableezy (talk) 04:14, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
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Hi,
I did what I could to neutralise the article. I don't think "Lydda death march" is neutral. But 1948 Lydda massacre and expulsion is quite clear. Note that the article lacks information about the massacre and its circumstances. They can be found in Morris, 'The Birth' (among others).
I will not fight against a coalition of editors in such a fierce wp:battle. So, good luck. Ceedjee (talk) 11:53, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
Hi Ceedjee. I appreciate your additions to the page there. I was wondering though if you would mind if I move the article back to its original title for now, since the new title you are proposing is an expansion of scope, I was originally not intending for this article. Its going to appear as a DYK tonight or tomorrow, and I'd like it to be clean and compact for that. Afterward, I don't mind discussing expanding it to include the massacre that preceded the march, etc. But let's please gain consensus for title changes and article scope changes before doing them. Thanks again for all your important additions and the scholarship. Tiamuttalk 11:55, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
Hey, weren´t you going to nominate Salbit for DYK?? One thing is sure: starting any of the articles User:Huldra/Sources can, (and must!) wait until a quiet day.. (whenever that will be!) Take care, you brave one, Huldra (talk) 23:22, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
Can I add my small contribution to the list? 1. Shulamit Aloni, former Education minister: Yes, There is Apartheid in Israel 2. My absolute favorite: 'Balad chairman MK Jamal Zahalka, who will attend Durban II, addressed the crowd at the NGO Civil Society Forum March in Geneva on Sunday, presenting himself as a Palestinian victim of "Israeli racist apartheid" ' Arab MKs vocal in support of Durban II. --Sceptic Ashdod (talk) 22:18, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
Why do you give up?--gordonrox24 (talk) 19:16, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
In response to your comment at Wehwalt's talk page: No comment about the content issues, since I have no knowledge of this area, but Wehwalt didn't do anything wrong on purpose. It's normal for people to copyedit hooks as they are getting ready to go up, and it is not standard for people to ask the nominators' permission before making tweaks; Wehwalt's change may have been incorrect, but it seems he was doing it based on what was actually in the article's lede, so he certainly wasn't doing it on purpose, and probably had no way of knowing the information in the article was incorrect. I hope you can retract some of your "poor form" contents and recognize that, if Wehwalt's edit was wrong, it was still no more than an honest mistake. rʨanaɢ talk/contribs 20:12, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
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Congratulations on the well-deserved DYK! Although the article still needs some NPOV-tuning, it is remarkably well researched and remarkably well written. Best, --brewcrewer (yada, yada) 20:15, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
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Absolutely. And thank you Ian for finding a barnstar that gives due recognition to her inimitable presence here as article builder and irreplaceable collegue.Nishidani (talk) 22:10, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
Tiamut, I understand that you're fed up with all the controversy that followed the creation of the Lydda Death March, but you cannot leave. We need you. You leaving will remove a huge amount of potential for quality on Palestine-related subjects on Wikipedia. If necessary, a brief wikibreak should relieve any tension. I apologize for not getting involved like I planned (once an article becomes a battle zone with over ten editors, I usually stay back and move on to other articles.) I don't know how much help I would be anyway though—not too read up on the subject like the rest of you guys. Anyway, please reconsider any decisions you might have about leaving Wikipedia. It would be a damn shame... Salaamat akhti. --Al Ameer son (talk) 07:46, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
I certainly understand your disappointment in the way this article was handled on its way to the front page. However, given the charged nature of the material it was almost certain to become the subject of disputes. If you read the discussion at DYK talk, there was an attempt to pull the article until the disputes could be resolved, but someone promoted it to the front page while the discussion was taking place. It was just a bit of unfortunate timing really.
I have long been asking myself what we could do at DYK to ensure that articles in contentious topic areas don't become subject to last-minute wrangles like this one. I think that perhaps the best way to proceed in such circumstances is to write the article in your sandbox, then invite some other users, including some of the "opposition" to review the article prior to its being moved into mainspace. In this way, we can ensure that any potential disputes are resolved before the article is nominated.
Hopefully then, we can use this incident as a learning experience to ensure that in future users do not suffer the kind of frustration that you have obviously experienced on this occasion. So perhaps something positive can come out of this. I do hope you will reconsider your decision to leave, obviously you are a valued contributor who has brought a unique perspective to the area of your interest and who has made many worthwhile contributions here. Regards, Gatoclass (talk) 10:11, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
Tiamut, in recognition of your work I've offered a bounty of US$250 for bringing Lydda Death March to FA status. Best wishes - looking forward to your return - Ian Pitchford (talk) 12:43, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
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Hi Tiamut, I just wanted to say thanks for your comment in the workshop. I was going to wait until the case is over, but as it seems that you might not be around, I'm posting now. As a new name, I was hesitant to post out of the blue in a case as sensitive as that one, but after reading the evidence I found I had strong views and wanted to say my piece. Your supportive words were much appreciated (though I have zero interest in adminship!) I hope you decide to stick around, the project has clearly benefited greatly from your presence and this will be a poorer place without you; either way I wish you all the best for the future.--MoreThings (talk) 12:26, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
thx Victuallers (talk) 16:42, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
Salam, I am sorry to hear that you have left the project because I see you as very vital to the project and I do value your contributions here. I have a little secret to tell you. I have another account that I abandoned a few years ago, and we used to correspond! I remember that you were fed up with Wikipedia and you were not very active, but I tried to be encouraging because there were very few editors who were attempting to balance I/P articles. Funny because I ended up leaving the project shortly after that. After coming back, I was happy to see that you have been so productive here! Please just stay and continue to be the valuable editor that you are.
I have a project for you when you come back. As I was writing an article on Hind al-Husseini, I thought of you; sounds like a subject that you maybe interested in or familiar with. I was wondering if you could help me expand the article, perhaps you might have some books that have information on her? I hope you read this message! -Falastine fee Qalby (talk) 06:52, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
you are one of the most thoughtful and genuine people here, please don't go!
you may be interested in this - it seems like slim virgin is rounding them up. untwirl(talk) 05:01, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
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As a fellow member of the WikiProject HGH may I ask for opinions on this accusation?--Andrew Lancaster (talk) 12:00, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
Good to see you back.John Z (talk) 22:21, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
Welcome back, we need more editors like you around. --NSH001 (talk) 04:35, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
I agree. You've been missed. harlan (talk) 08:54, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
Indeed you have, welcome back. nableezy - 01:28, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
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Ahlan wa sahlan Tiamut! Sorry for the late 'welcome back' (no excuse for it). I had a strong feeling you couldn't stay away ;) Things have been going steady for WP Palestine, but certainly have slowed down since you left. The only real contributors left were Huldra, Nableezy, myself, and Slim Virgin. So many of our fellow members (Falasteen, Fjmustak, Yamanam, Ian Pitchford, and Padres Hana just off the top of my head) have either become totally inactive or barely active. Your return has given me a sigh of relief and I hope we'll collaborate soon. Good luck and stay strong! --Al Ameer son (talk) 18:07, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
Delighted to see you back! As for architecture; I presently have the Petersen, Andrew (2002): A Gazetteer of Buildings in Muslim Palestine: Volume I (British Academy Monographs in Archaeology) on loan from an out-of-town library...I have gotten the loan extended several times, presently until early August. I´m trying to add as much information from that book (it is a gold-mine of information!) as long as I have it. If you look at my User:Huldra/Sources you will also see several structures that *really* should have their own articles ...(Al Almeer son just started Sabil Abu Nabbut...so I will have to run along and expand that..) The Mausoleum of Abu Huraira is really, really wanted, too. And if you look under User:Huldra/Sources#future_article:_Al-Tabigha.2C_District_of_Tiberias ...you will find links to an Umayyad Palace! As for other books, for "newer" stuff, I see that there is a bit in The Object of Memory By Susan Slyomovics...mostly about Ayn Hawd. This for a start... Take care, Huldra (talk) 01:11, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
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John Carter (talk) 23:10, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
Hey Tiamut! I hope you don't mind, but I noticed on Huldra's talk page that you were starting an article on the Architecture of Palestine. Well I was working on the Azm Palace (Hama), and I came across this source: Traditional domestic architecture of the Arab Region. It doesn't have tons of information about our native architecture, but on page 42 and pages 180-182, there are decent pieces of info on the "unique" cross-vaulting in Palestinian architecture. There might be more bits on other pages, but you'll have to look for those ;) Salaamat, --Al Ameer son (talk) 05:53, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
Welcome back :) I think your new plan sounds good. We have had a number of I/P disqualifications at DYK since your break, so it's definitely best to be on the safe side if you think an article of yours might attract some controversy.
Other than that, my impression is that behaviour around the I/P pages has generally improved in recent months, so I hope you will find your contribution here a little more pleasant this time around :) Gatoclass (talk) 11:10, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
Hi, Tiamut, good to hear from you. Trust me, I know how passions can get inflamed on this topic; I am not immune myself (I would not be considered an "uninvolved" admin for sanction purposes). But we all really need to do our best to minimize the personal elements. I mean, how can we expect any real progress in the actual area from the political leaders, if editors on wikipedia cannot get certain basics accomplished. The legalities and aspects of international law are fascinating, under much debate, and perhaps worthy of their own article based on analysis, but people of one persuasion claiming that the other side are violating international law or whatnot (and I am not pointing to any one person now) can only prevent any rapport. So while I admit to having my own opinions on the matter, the history, the politics, etc., I hope that my behavior to all involved is fair and courteous enough that when I feel the need to step in and try and douse some of the fire, it is taken for what it truly is, an attempt to re-focus the conversation, and not some ham-handed sysop throwing his or her weight around. Thank you. -- Avi (talk) 14:27, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
you're a sweetie. i'm so glad you're back! gawd this place needs a feminine touch (and mine's a bit too calloused sometimes). you didn't miss anything, same old shit. good luck! untwirl(talk) 17:42, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
hi,
I'm at work so I can't write at length, but I saw your edit summary at coffee inquiring "what happened to the legend of Kaldi the goatherder" so I'll respond quickly now --
I've been gathering sources on the history of coffee (see the bottom of the "talk:coffee"), where I learned (as you already knew) that Kaldi/Khalid/(?) is a legend, so I tried to make an effort to clear this up using the word "apocryphal" somewhere, (the more important point being that coffee was first consumed as a beverage in the 15th century, and not in the "era" that Kaldi was supposed to have lived.
In doing so I may have accidentally deleted the references to him. Obviously, this legend does deserve to be featured prominently in the article; no argument about that. My only concern is that, 2 hours ago, I started a discussion at the talk page regarding the historical origin of coffee in Yemen vs. Ethiopia which I'm afraid could get hairy.
I just want you to be aware that this mini-debate is going on, and ask that you take some caution to familiarize yourself with the terms of our discussion, before you make whatever changes you plan to make regarding Kaldi. Again, you might consider making use of the useful historical sources that I've aggregated at the bottom of talk:coffee.
cheers, Agradman talk/contribs 19:36, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for cleaning up my prose. :) -- Avi (talk) 21:28, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for your help in the Israel lobby article. Its nice when we reach across the aisle. :) --GHcool (talk) 22:05, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
Done, tisba'akhayr (you know what I mean... can't spell too well in English-Arabic ;) --Al Ameer son (talk) 01:23, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
Nice that you want to claim Haim Farhi as an Arab, and I am all for an end to nationalistic battles, but the mere fact of being born in Damascus does not make him an Arab. I work for a well-known Iraqi Jewish professor, born in Baghdad, who defines himself as an "Arab Jew." But certainly Farhi was not an "Ottoman Arab."--Gilabrand (talk) 07:50, 24 July 2009 (UTC)