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Please give references about your ideas, if possible. I gave recent sources, after 1996 and 2008, not after 1960. Although, I cannot see any references supporting your proposals yet. Revived again, Ural-Altaic is a key theory to enlighten our past and you are not an academic expert to decide to exclude such a theory. Please, be scientific and abide the general rules of wiki format. Okurogluselo (talk) 22:31, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
Hi Tropylium! I saw you're an active participant of the Berlin school article. I was wondering if you would like to help with the Music in Berlin article that I started a couple of weeks ago. It would be terrific if someone started work on the recent developments in the musical history of Berlin. Any contributions are most welcome! Matthias Röder 14:56, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
Hi, I am also an amateur in linguistics but this is of no importance. When writing on Barrack's objections against Kortland, my aim was to point that those objections exist. Your question is natural however. I think the best way to learn what they are is to ask Barrack. In the meantime, you may be interested in the paper [Preaspiration in the Nordic Languages].
Kortland's view (as presented in the paper of which you write in the discussion to the article) is well known and easily accessible. Counterviews are harder to find. Nevertheless they exist and are well argumented.
Grzegorj 09:57, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
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Hi there. I noticed your comment concerning mis-quoted sources in the above article. It's a major ongoing problem at that article, due to collusion between 2 editors who have been trying to push an unsourced POV on the subject for months, and who have dumped an avalanche of sources into the article in an effort to frustrate any outside attempt to resolve the issue via true consensus. Sometimes the mis-quotes are subtle, with comments merely taken out of context in order to put a different spin on them - other times they are blatant mis-quotes which say the direct opposite of what these editors claim they say. Attempts at reviewing each source individually are frustrated by the editors in question adding further sources, or moving sources around, to confuse the discussion. Any outside opinions/observations that could assist resolving this are very welcome. --Gene_poole 21:25, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
Dale (talk) 02:02, 26 December 2007 (UTC) Hi Tropylium. You note on the Berlin School entery and comment. I would reccomend you do a search on any search engine to see info required to meet notiable bands. Please restore your edit to include the link that was.
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Thanks for fixing up the consonant table on Phula language. I really hate formatting those darn things. I'd rather just draw them out by hand, but that's not possible here ;)
BTW, have you found any decent way to line up the voiceless under circle with the letter above it in Unicode? I've NEVER been able to do it with any degree of success, so I don't do the charts on languages with voiceless sonorants (notice on Phula I used an asterisk behind the segment to mark laryngealization).
I've made the sound charts on Buyang language if you get bored and want to clean up another poorly made chart. (Taivo (talk) 22:28, 14 March 2008 (UTC))
Thank you for correcting my error in Helsinki slang. I have confirmed my error by studying this. It seems that South Baltic-Finnic has had neutral vowel splits, where /e/ became [e] and [ɤ] in Estonian and Võro, and /i/ became [i] and [ɯ] in Võro. I was previously only aware of the obsolete view. I've been looking for people and/or websites that are concerned with Baltic-Finnic historical linguistics, but they have been difficult to find on Google. How well are you studied in the subject? - Gilgamesh (talk) 06:21, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
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It looks like Xavante does have a velar consonant: /w/ is não-arredondado, according to your source, which I assume means [ɰ]. Still the closest to a language without dorsals that I've ever heard of. kwami (talk) 00:11, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
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Thanks for giving some attention to my Finnish language learning needs. :) Heyzeuss (talk) 15:34, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
btw, since you are familiar with IPA, we're gonna need more of you over at Wiktionary. Heyzeuss (talk) 19:00, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
Hey, I just wanted to point out, per this edit summary that a number of articles on consonants have sections like that. If you want to search and destroy, I won't oppose. — Ƶ§œš¹ [aɪm ˈfɹ̠ˤʷɛ̃ɾ̃ˡi] 18:16, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
My apologies. You're absolutely right about that. I had not read your statement carefully and, somehow, I had thought you were saying Finnish had turned a Proto-Germanic */ng/ (pretty absurd) to /ŋg/, but you had very clearly written "*ŋg → /ŋː/". Sorry! Pasquale (talk) 19:44, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
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Hi, I answered a question you had over 2 years ago on the Pittsburghese talk page. Here is what I said:
Hi Tropylium. Why do you think the reader doesn't need to know about this: [1] and have an overview about how Finnic languages have been interpreted over time on wikipedia?[2]. Sure nowadays due to Finnish scholars using "Finnic languages" as a synonym for Baltic Finnic only, the meaning has transformed. But originally it was just a group of the traditional Finno-Ugric tree that also included the Baltic Finnic group. And the table illustrates how different scholars have interpreted the term "Finnic languages" over time. I think it is relevant to the article.--Termer (talk) 15:26, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
Hey, I was reading a bunch of article searching for a piece of information and randomly came across your username on a talk page or something. You seem pretty well versed in linguistics. If I may have a moment of your time, can you help me with this - often when I read Wikipedia articles where indo-european words are written out, there are a lot of the characters that I don't know how to interpret. For example: kw or qu. Also what do all of the diacritics signify? I have seen ä, š, even ǟ denoting sounds in PIE.
I am not asking for you to explain all of these things to me - I am just trying to make it clear what it is that I don't understand. Can you give me a link to a site that explains the characters used to denote different PIE sounds? If not, can you tell me a search term that would be helpful?
Thanks in advance - Bobber0001 (talk) 01:29, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
Hi,
Partly reverted you at Dahalo language. It's misleading to say the inventory is "inflated" by loans, unless we have a ref that some of the C's do not occur in assimilated words (like ʁ and ɬ in English). Also, by conflating Ladefoged and Tosco, you're double-counting C's: /t'/ and /ts'/ are just different transcriptions of the same phoneme. It is good to note which consonants T thinks are indigenous, and also the NC analysis (what's it based on? we already have a note to that effect), but I haven't had a chance to restore those. — kwami (talk) 04:37, 31 December 2013 (UTC)
I've left some questions at Talk:Proto-Finnic language. Do you think you could help? CodeCat (talk) 19:11, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
If the "a" is not original here, what could it have been? CodeCat (talk) 00:13, 4 April 2014 (UTC)
On Wiktionary I've written a module that automatically inflects most nominals and verbs for Proto-Finnic. The module automatically applies gradation based on syllable structure. It seems to work ok and since you know more about this than I do, I wonder if you could check it and give comments if you have any. See wikt:Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:fiu-fin-decl and wikt:Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:fiu-fin-conj for lists of articles. There are a few things that have me puzzled.
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Could you provide a source for your edit to Vertical vowel system on Chadic vowel harmony? It sounds really interesting but I'm finding it hard to find.
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I was the only one opposing the split back in 2012. Since then, Glottolog has listed four separate Khanty languages. (I don't know if Surgut is justified; I'll leave that to you.) Anyway, if you want to split, I'd support you now. There's currently info on the individual languages, so we'd have some meat in the articles. Since there was no other opposition, I don't think you'd need to start a new discussion. And there never was opposition to splitting Mansi, so I think that would be okay too, even though they'd just be stubs (unless you have sources to fill them out). If you don't want to do it, I can, but I might not get it right. — kwami (talk) 21:04, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
I had been told the music was performed and arranged by Tangerine Dream...but I should have verified before I made the edit.
Please stop adding your own interpretations of sources to articles. We list what sources say, preferably what each individual source says, and your synthesis of three sources is, well, WP:SYNTHESIS. Jeppiz (talk) 18:16, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
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I've noticed that you reverted my edit in Bactrian language due to "not a family, see discussion". I'm not familiar with this discussion, is it on a talk page? The Verified Cactus 100% 19:27, 15 October 2017 (UTC)
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I had no idea you were on Wikipedia, and yes I did sort of copy from your bog, which I religiously visit because of your unique ideas. I was wondering if you could help me with a project. Do you have a Proto-Uralic lexicon?déhanchements (talk) 02:47, 29 January 2019 (UTC)
The Proto-Uralic article states, A shift *a-ə > *o-a can be posited for Samic as well as the Mordvinic languages. But it posits *čoarvē < *ćorwa for Proto-Samic. Shouldn't it be *čoarvē < *ćarwa? déhanchements (talk) 21:11, 14 March 2019 (UTC)
Please do not remove the definition of the Comb hypothesis from Wikipedia like you did on Proto-Uralic.
This image is an example of the Afro-Asiatic (allo-genetic) Comb model:
The same image would look the same for the Proto-Uralic language group and it's apparent descendants. And if you know Hungarian, how come you haven't realized that approx. 50% of it's lexicon is borrowed from Indo-European and Turkic (the rest unknown) but almost exclusively on a Ugric substratum? Hungarian is confirmed to be a Ugric language, but it may be misclassified as Uralic. It is not OR (original research) as Afro-Asiatic and Uralic have cognates that are very far, as contrary to Indo-European, Kartvelian or Vasconic etc. that are very near. So whether the apparent Uralic and Afro-Asiatic language groups are real, is pure speculation - and skepticism/criticism on their apparent actual existence is especially valid. For all we know, Ugric could actually be descended from Turkic languages that were mis-categorized as "Uralic". And Hungarian is merely just a dialect of Ugric, which is actually subgroup of Turkic. For example. — Wasylkowski (talk) 06:05, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
Also: I am a linguist and am skeptical that Afro-Asiatic and Uralic are actual real language groups myself. So I would back an Allo-genetic theory. Because the cognates and grammar seem purely coincidental especially for Chadic which also does not seem to share many similarities with Egyptian - especially it's SVO word order and Egyptian's VSO.
And I would classify the Chadic languages as their own distinct language group, and NOT descending from Afro-Asiatic at all.
(they don't call the apparent Nilo-Saharan language group - "Joseph Greenberg's wastebasket" for nothing! Lazy, talentless work, on Greenberg's part.) Wasylkowski (talk) 06:36, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
You have reinserted the information that Aari speakers are often called Shankilla, which was taken out by an offended speaker some days ago. Though I understand your concern that people may want to find that language by seeing a reference to this name in the article, I'd like to ask you to re-consider your edit, basically on two grounds. The term Shanqalla (and all its variations) is considered very offensive by those to whom it is applied in Ethiopia. And second, it is not applied only to Aari speakers, but to countless speakers of other languages spoken in the Ethiopian lowlands - so this is not only information relevant to Aari. For that reason I let the edit of that speaker go, and I think it would be good to take out all other Shanqalla references from pages on Ethiopian languages. There may be a use for the word on a page on Ethiopian ethnicity, but I don't think it contributes anything to any page on an Ethiopian language, and it needlessly offends the people who find this to be used about themselves on Wikipedia. Thanks for your consideration! Landroving Linguist (talk) 14:24, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
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Hi Tropylium! Can you help me to deconstruct this soapbox article for a fringe theory? I have scrapped OR-comaprison tables, and tagged a "source" as totally unrelated to the topic. The remaining three sources are in Finnish. I could handle two of them via Google, but the third contains lengthy passages about Basque that need a fluent/native reader. I hope you can assist here. Without proper sourcing I'll bring it to AfD; I can't even think for a redirect target for such stuff. – Austronesier (talk) 11:11, 7 February 2020 (UTC)
The material he has added this month both logged in and not logged in to this article is basically one long copyvio. The material has been lifted from Donner's book and mangled into an apparently self-created version of extended Cyrillic. When I called him out on the copyvio, he switched to doing the same with Künnap's material instead to cover his tracks. There is also a clear COI here, as the site he keeps trying to add in to back up his claims is his own amateur website. -Yupik (talk) 16:51, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
Late response to this, because i just saw this. 1 I tried to change the wording so it is not literal copying of the material. 2 Also i didn't try to copy Kunnap 3 I stopped linking my websites when you told me so. 4 i took out the cyrillic 5 and the stuff you said is copyvious i deleted. --ValtteriLahti12 (talk) 22:03, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
It appears our good friend the professor had previously published a work questioning the validity of IE. Just so you know: https://www.scribd.com/document/49199224/Marcantonio-Repudiating-Linguistic-Evidence-Aryan-Hypothesis https://www.scribd.com/document/36578008/Marcantonio-A-on-the-Comparative-Method Apparently published in a JIES monograph as well. IDK what they were thinking... MToumbola (talk) 18:08, 22 April 2021 (UTC)
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Hello! I was cleaning up the refs in that article and I noticed that you once added a citation to „Korhonen 1981”, but this work is not listed in the references and it doesn’t link to anything. Did you mean the existing reference to Finno-Ugrian Language Studies in Finland 1828–1918 and misspelled the year, or did you forget to add another work by this author? Cheers! MichaelTheSlav (talk) 07:31, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
Hello! Sorry to bother you about an old thing, but you added an unreferenced tag on the Kainuu Sámi article in 2013 and said "Let's slap an unreferenced tag on this for now and see if anything comes forward." I started a new conversation about the matter and wondered if you'd like to comment something: Talk:Kainuu_Sámi#Validity. Thank you. --Vilutar (talk) 14:24, 5 November 2022 (UTC)
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Heya. Just saw your change over at Cushitic languages. I don't see a good reason to switch from the Kwermusl orthography (that used by Mous & Kießling) to IPA: If a Wikipedia reader is going to pick up a book on Iraqw, they'll probably look at one of those that uses the Kwermusl orthography or something derived therefrom. Pathawi (talk) 17:32, 31 May 2024 (UTC)