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The result was delete. postdlf (talk) 17:44, 8 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Animals in UK politics[edit]

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Looks like a joke page (Chief Tory-Botherer and Chief Julian Assange Sanity Saver are official government positions?) and/or WP:HOAX attempting to masquerade as a genuine article The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 22:05, 18 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of United Kingdom-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 22:18, 18 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Politics-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 22:18, 18 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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• Strong Keep The details and references easiy convice me that this article is for real. In my opinion, this article is not a hoax, and while it is humorous, it is not a mere joke. --Dthomsen8 (talk) 22:41, 18 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Dthomsen8: You did see the "El Gato: Leader of the Oppawsition and Chief Tory-Botherer" entry didn't you? Plus if anything this whole article is a WP:C-P from the one and only source. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 06:55, 19 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete as a hoax. The Chief Mouser cats are notable, as the relevant articles make clear. The Time Out article is British humour, so we no evidence of significant coverage of the animals as a group, thus failing WP:GNG. We should probably have a category for animals employed by HMG, or something similar, but that would be a different discussion. Matt's talk 22:50, 18 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment The dog kept in the White House by the President of the United States has often received extensive press coverage. Consider Fala (dog), part of FDR's Presidential public image, or Socks (cat) shown on United States presidential pets.--Dthomsen8 (talk) 22:59, 18 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

This is a fair comment, but the Presidential pets article is the equivalent of the Chief Mouser to the Cabinet Office article, which is not being challenged. Matt's talk 23:14, 18 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment The table format has to go even if the article is kept. I don't know if anything other than Chief Mouser to the Cabinet Office is notable. Power~enwiki (talk) 16:51, 19 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep but rewrite to remove unsourced entries and nonsense and maybe rename. The post of Chief Mouser to the Cabinet Office is notable but there is media coverage more generally about government cats that considers all cats employed by UK government departments.[1][2][3] (Although some form of rationalisation, even a merge to Chief Mouser, might be considered). --Colapeninsula (talk) 10:31, 22 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I removed the Assange cat and Philip Hammond's dogs from the article. Neither would meet any criteria based around UK government ownership or employment. --Colapeninsula (talk) 10:36, 22 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Colapeninsula: What about the Jeremy Corbyn one? That one is clearly a hoax entry: "Oppawsition", I ask you. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 15:41, 22 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete Taking this at face value - i.e. not as a gag - the fact is that there is insufficient evidence that animals in British topics is at all widely regarded as a topic. Delete as lacking encyclopedic value.E.M.Gregory (talk) 21:19, 24 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Weak Delete - I wanted to go with keep here, but the topic itself looks to be WP:OR. There are some notable examples, but we would need more sources that treat "animals in UK politics" as a group (making for a notable list topic. — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 05:16, 25 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Only the cat - this cat is notable enough. A Guy into Books (talk) 18:56, 26 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep seems like it would be perfectly valid with a rename to list of animals serving in official or unofficial positions in UK politics or something like that.

• Delete as trivia. As others have mentioned, there are some notable animals, and these seem to have their own articles already. The rest aren't notable, and the totality is trivia. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 01:06, 2 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 03:06, 2 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. This belongs in icanhascheezburger.com, not Wiki. A humourous article in Time Out is not WP:RS. The article could be expanded to include every animal ever owned by a notable UK politician, including Ken Livingstone's newts, making it WP:INDISCRIMINATE. Notable animals already have their own articles.

(The article fails to mention Catmando, a party leader, and H'Angus the Monkey, who won an election. I do not propose to add them.) Narky Blert (talk) 11:29, 2 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete -- a non encyclopedic collection of trivia; fail WP:NLIST. K.e.coffman (talk) 08:10, 4 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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