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The result was no consensus. — The Earwig ⟨talk⟩ 23:54, 14 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Duntech[edit]

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No evidence in the article or via search that this is a notable manufacturer or researcher. StarM 17:29, 20 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep Ran into this page and decided to improve it. The only original 2 sources were both dead. I found lot's of other articles and even one NY Times article about it. They are a high end speaker manufacturer. I found bunch of forum discussions, but of course those are not reliable sources. However, there seems to be a lot of interest in this brand and even though they don't have massive news coverage, I think it should still remain. Lesliechin1 (talk) 21:06, 22 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Reply I'm having trouble accessing the NYT one at the moment, but the Syndey Morning Herald seems to just be one sentence in an article about speaker companies. You did a great job (thanks!), but I'm not sure those will be significant enough coverage to meet WP:ORG. StarM 01:15, 23 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Reply NY Times comes up fine for me. You can also try the archive version.Lesliechin1 (talk) 04:07, 26 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment Back in the day I made dozens of dubious stub articles on companies and products many of which aren't notable per the long-standing dis inclusionist narrative. Whether articles like this, which I've also come across in other subject areas by other editors as well, are kept depends on which way the wind blows on the low cost of data versus the harm they do to a professional encyclopedic image. B137 (talk) 18:50, 26 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete Flowery language doesn't help, not much notability. Oaktree b (talk) 21:10, 27 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. "Flowery languaqge " is a reason for editing, not deletion. The article of course should not give the actual prices, and need not do so , because they are promioent in the refeences. DGG ( talk ) 06:40, 2 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep they make very expensive speakers. Poeple with money to burn buy them. Before they buy the speakers they read reviews of the speakers in audiophile magazines. There appear to be many such reviews (see GBooks). Meets WP:NCORP. Possibly (talk) 08:28, 6 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep There's plenty of evidence in the article and the search links above. Andrew🐉(talk) 15:18, 6 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. This article is about the company and not about any of their products. The applicable SNG is WP:NCORP. I am unable to find any references which discuss the company in-depth. Of the references in the article and mentioned above, none meet the criteria for establishing notability as per NCORP as follows:

• The Recording, Mixing, and Mastering Reference Handbook is a one-word mention-in-passing, fails WP:CORPDEPTH
• Sydney Morning Herald is a one-word mention-in-passing, fails WP:CORPDEPTH

NYT provides a short review of a product, the Duntech Sovereign 2001, but fails to provide any in-depth details on the company, fails WP:CORPDEPTH

• Encyclopedia of Recorded Sound profiles the founder but only mentions the company in passing with no in-depth details, fails WP:CORPDEPTH
• Business Review Weekly comments on the company exporting products to Asia and Europe but it is difficult to evaluate whether the article meets the criteria as only a snippet view is available.
• Classic HiFi reviews the Duntech Sovereign 2001, zero information on the company, fails WP:CORPDEPTH
• HeyNow Hi-Fi profiles the company but the profile was provided by the company (e.g. use of the word "we" and "our" throughout) and is therefore not Independent Content, fails WP:ORGIND
• Home Theater HiFi reviews a set of speakers, zero information on the company, fails WP:CORPDEPTH
• Hi-Fi Classic is a photo of some speakers, zero info on the company, fails WP:CORPDEPTH
• The Sensible Sound reviews/discusses the Stateman model, only a snippet view available but no information on the company, fails WP:CORPDEPTH
• Stereophile is a single mention-in-passing, fails WP:CORPDEPTH
• High End News reviews the Sovereign, does not discuss the company, fails WP:CORPDEPTH
• Digital Audio and Compact Disc Review provides a review of the Sovereign 2001 with no in-depth information on the company, fails WP:CORPDEPTH

None of the references can be used to establish notability of the company. That said, there appears to be more than sufficient references for articles on some of the speaker models and the content here could be repurposed. HighKing⁺⁺ 12:35, 9 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.
  1. Orson, Douglas (1987-08-09). "Expatriate U.S. company hears sound of success as its hi-tech loudspeakers heat up exports Doun Under". United Press International. Archived from the original on 2021-02-14. Retrieved 2021-02-14.

     The article notes:

     The astonishing success story of Duntech in exporting such high-priced audiophile equipment lies in the excellence of the products. ... Duntech International's history goes back to 1963 in the United States, where it had established itself as a world leader in antenna systems.

     Between 1963 and 1972, it designed and made almost all of the National Aeronautics and Space Administration's ground-based communications and telemetry antenna systems for such projects as the Mercury, Gemini and Apollo spacecraft and for satellites.

     During this time, the company also was involved in designing and manufacturing the antenna system for the U.S. president's world-wide, emergency communications system installed at the White House annex.

  2. Dawson, Stephen (1998-09-29). "SA Is Making Itself Heard". The Canberra Times. Archived from the original on 2021-02-14. Retrieved 2021-02-14.

     The article notes: "One of the most respected names is Duntech. But it isn't widely known. You won't find Duntech speakers in consumer electronics shops, only in high-end hi-fi shops. Take the company's new "more affordable" range, the Gemstone series. ... In addition, Duntech uses crossover networks with gentle slopes to reduce phase-shift effects on different frequencies, with the drivers placed at different depths in the box to ensure their signals arrive at the same time at the listener."

  3. Frith, David (1991-12-16). "A Big Speaker Legacy - Short Circuits". The Sydney Morning Herald. Archived from the original on 2021-02-14. Retrieved 2021-02-14.

     The article notes: "There have been major changes at Duntech, the Adelaide-based manufacturer which makes some of the world's best high-fidelity loudspeakers. ... Duntech's mighty Sovereigns, Dunleavy masterpieces which stand more than two-metres tall and take a team of four to deliver and install, have been hailed in some sections of the US audio press as 'the most accurate loudspeakers in the world'. ... Already we are seeing a much larger range of Duntech models, quite a few at prices Australians can afford."

  4. Frith, David (1990-05-21). "Hear, Here - For $15,000 - Short Circuits". The Sydney Morning Herald. Archived from the original on 2021-02-14. Retrieved 2021-02-14.

     The article notes, "The Australian-made Duntech Sovereign 2001 loudspeakers, which have been termed the most accurate loudspeakers in the world, are immense structures, more than two metres high and almost a metre in depth. Painstakingly constructed in Adelaide, they are earning big export dollars for Duntech in the United States, where they have been widely praised by audio magazines such as Stereo Review and Stereophile."

  5. Frith, Daivd (1990-06-04). "Our Speakers Come of Age - The Hi-Fi Show". The Sydney Morning Herald. Archived from the original on 2021-02-14. Retrieved 2021-02-14.

     The article notes, "Headed by expatriate American John Dunlavey, Duntech has built a thriving trade in the US, Asia and Europe. Digital Audio magazine of the US has called the huge Duntech Sovereigns the 'world's most accurate loudspeaker'. The Gramophone of the UK has called them 'pure ecstasy', and Audio magazine of the US said that the Duntech Black Knights supplied 'easily the best sound' at this year's Las Vegas Consumer Electronics Show."

  There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Duntech to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".

  Cunard (talk) 10:54, 14 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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