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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) DannyS712 (talk) 03:50, 8 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Ferrari F8 Tributo

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It's a poorly written article with no reasonable knowledge about the subject and consists of copy vio material. U1Quattro (talk) 15:42, 28 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Why was this article nominated for AfD in less than an hour of its creation?[1]Oakshade (talk) 16:46, 28 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Because it contains copied material and is not written by the creator himself.U1Quattro (talk) 17:19, 28 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I checked the article and it presents a 38.7% confidence that it is a copied article when compared with the Ferrari 488 article ([2]). Plus the article doesn't even cite any sources and copy vio material from sources was not the main intention for nomination.U1Quattro (talk) 02:25, 1 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

You started an AfD because the content was 37% similar to another wikipedia article and not an actual copyrighted source? And why didn't you follow Wikipedia:Deletion policy and WP:DEL-CONTENT and simply improve the page instead of attempting to delete it? Oakshade (talk) 07:27, 1 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Because the subject matter does not exist in the real world yet and is a computer rendering with its specifications based on speculations and estimates. There was no room for improvement in the absence of actual information.U1Quattro (talk) 12:30, 1 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Are you under the impression that GNG is invalidated because you think the car doesn't exist? And how can a car that doesn't exist be, according to all reliable sources, in the Geneva Auto Show which is this month? Oakshade (talk) 16:20, 1 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

What I'm saying is that the car has not been publicly introduced yet. Plus the creator simply copy-paste material from the Ferrari 488 page which is against the guidelines for creating an article. It should have content written by the creator, not pasted from other articles which already exist.U1Quattro (talk) 16:38, 1 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

"publicly introduced" is not relevant to this discussion, it has been announced and details have been released [3], there is no rule saying that a car has to make an auto show debut in the metal before a page can be made. Your criticisms of the page are no longer valid as it has been improved significantly since it was submitted. Toasted Meter (talk) 16:55, 1 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Transportation-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 15:52, 28 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Italy-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 15:52, 28 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - Being poorly written - which it's not as it's currently a simple short article - is not a reason for deletion but improvement. It took only a few seconds to find a ton of very in-depth significant coverage from multiple reliable sources in multiple countries with at least one source calling this car "the most powerful V8 ever made." [4][5][6][7] And those are just a fraction of what I've found. Obviously WP:BEFORE wasn't adhered to. Oakshade (talk) 16:46, 28 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
~~Delete:~~ The car is not introduced yet so it is unclear what it's engine code is, what transmission it uses and whether it was designed by the Ferrari styling house or not. The article is clearly copy-paste material from the Ferrari 488 page. The sources which claim that it has "the most powerful V8 engine" are based on manufacturer claims which is not an independent verified source. The car is not even publicly unveiled yet. U1Quattro (talk) 17:08, 28 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Since you're the nominator, you can't vote again... GN-z11 ^☎ ^★ 17:58, 28 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Struck duplicate !vote from nominator; the nomination is considered as your !vote. However, feel free to comment all you'd like. See WP:AFDFORMAT for more information. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 18:26, 28 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

U1Quattro, it appears you've misunderstood WP's notability guidelines and in particular GNG. It doesn't matter if the car hasn't been "introduced" yet (strangely you've referenced "manufacturer's claims" which contradicts the "car is not introduced" claim). It could be a forthcoming release or even a concept car and still pass GNG. And it doesn't matter if your original research opinion is that reliable sources are incorrect, it's that the multiple reliable sources gave in-depth coverage to this topic is what matters. Oakshade (talk) 23:01, 28 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comment – Earwig's Copyvio Detector is displaying a 0.0% confidence rate (results) of copyvio existing in the present state of the article (link). North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 18:30, 28 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep – Passes GNG: [8], [9], [10], [11], [12]. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 18:33, 28 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Of course for a new car of this kind, Wikipedia need an article. Bretwa (talk) 20:50, 2 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep It's a new car, essentially the successor to the 488. It needs an article, and as such should not be deleted. Frontzie (talk) 09:31, 6 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep The article has been significantly improved since it was first nominated for deletion, so it no longer fits the criteria for deletion. Syntaxlord (talk) 01:09, 7 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.