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The result was Delete --Anthony.bradbury^"talk" 23:12, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

George Gregory Buttigieg (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log)

Article does not assert notability. Person in question seems to be just an author of no particular importance. Article also lacks any kind of references, although that's not a surprise since a search on google only yields 15 results. I added a "Proposed for deletion" template but it was removed immediately by the author of the article (who seems to be the person in question), without giving any explanation. Marcus1234 19:33, 16 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Medicine-related deletions. —Espresso Addict 20:31, 16 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Notability is asserted: "decorated with the Commander's Cross pro Merito Melitensi", "published short stories and poetry", etc. References are given for this information (they were a bit hard to pick out earlier, but I've fixed up the article somewhat), and although they do need to be verified, they certainly appear to be reliable. I've found other sources on Google which can back up the claims of knighthood and positions therein. Article is written neutrally, and without a checkuser, there's no way to say for certain the author is the subject. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 20:39, 16 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

So any published author and/or "Knight of Malta" is notable enough to have an article on wikipedia? Do you realize there are over 12,000 "Knights" in the world? Should all these people have a wikipedia article? In that case I can add two family members of mine (or maybe not!). Marcus1234 20:53, 16 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Academics and educators-related deletions. —David Eppstein 01:42, 17 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nom. Althought it's probably close, there are not any major sources providing coverage of any of the assertions of notability. While it isn't certain that WP:AUTO is in play, the author's only contributions are in respect of this article and the article contains information that could not be assembled from the listed sources alone. --Markdsgraham 02:13, 17 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nom and per Markdsgraham --Crusio 08:11, 17 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• 'Delete in view of the subjects objections--see my comment below. Weak keep' Google is not going to be a likely source for this, but I consider the awards sufficient.DGG (talk) 10:25, 17 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The only award he (supposedly, since it's not even referenced) was the "Rediffusion Gold Star" award. How is this notable? Marcus1234 10:36, 17 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• SUGGEST KEEP I am so surprised Marcus 1234 is so antagonistic to an entry on a well known fellow countryman. How many Maltese people are leading doctors in their medical field, knights of malta, have been decorated pro Merito Melitense,have represented their country in the medical sphere; are plenipotentiary ambassadors of their country and have published both medical and fiction articles or books? How many of the 12000 world wide knights exhibit all features ? Shall I forward photos and photocopies of the SMOM annuaire? Or copies of published articles and books? My case rests. I planned other entries but it seems that the process may be biased in certain directions. I apologise for removing the delete template - I am new to Wiki and di not do it out of malice, but it seems that no leeway is given to beginners in this game.

Regards to all Cyrus of Antioch —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cyrus of Antioch (talk • contribs) 15:56, 17 September 2007 (UTC) — Cyrus of Antioch (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

• Keep Notability seems to be there (on awards, etc.) If there's a question of how accurate the sourcing is, that's a cleanup issue, not grounds for deletion. Bfigura ^(talk) 17:15, 17 September 2007 (UTC) Changing !vote, see below --Bfigura ^(talk) 05:47, 19 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• DEFINITELY KEEP If notability is lacking here I wonder who else has it! I have read articles about this man stating much more than is stated here. A few months back his face was plastered over the front pages of a number of magazines at the airport. He appears regularly on TV and his latest book is a knock-out! Does it take a martian to make it to Wikipedia!? LIONHEARTLEIA — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lionheartleia (talk • contribs) — Lionheartleia (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

Wow, are you serious? Could you be any more transparent? It's amazing the lengths people go through to get a page on wikipedia. Marcus1234 07:32, 18 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. Appears to be suitably notable. • Lawrence Cohen 19:37, 17 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• STRONG KEEP Defintely notable - well known in ALL spheres mentioned in the articlePaqqa 12:26, 18 September 2007 (UTC)— Paqqa (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

TO ALL CONCERNED WITH THIS ARTICLE

I AM GEORGE G. BUTTIGIEG, THE UNKNOWING SUBJECT OF THIS ARTICLE. I HAVE JUST BEEN INFORMED ABOUT THIS ARTICLE AND THE ENSUING DEBATE AND I AM TRULY SHOCKED. LET ME POINT OUT THAT THIS ARTICLE HAS BEEN WRITTEN BY A WELL MEANING MEMBER OF MY STAFF WITHOUT MY INVOLVEMENT OR PERMISSION,USING ONE OF THE COMMON E-MAIL ADDRESSES FOR MYSELF AND STAFF. I HAVE NO DESIRE TO HAVE MY CV BROADCASTED TO ALL AND SUNDRY ON INTERNET OR ELSEWHERE. ALBEIT THE MATERIAL IN IT IS NOT INACCURATE, I WOULD APPRECIATE ITS IMMEDIATE DELETION. IF DIRECT COMMUNICATION WITH ME IS WANTED PLEASE USE georgeb@onvol.net. THANK YOU —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cyrus of Antioch (talk • contribs) 21:19, 18 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I am truly shocked how the notability of Dr Buttigieg is being questioned. If one looks up what wikipedia defines Notability, amongst others it clearly states and I quote “The person has been the subject of published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent, and independent of the subject.” “The person has received significant recognized awards or honors”* “The person has made a widely recognized contribution that is part of the enduring historical record in his or her specific field”* and furthermore “The person is regarded as an important figure or is widely cited by their peers or successors”* (Please find link below). Im sure that Markus1234 cannot deny that Dr Buttigieg does in fact classify in the above.

• http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability_%28people%29

A Borg Swieqi Malta —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.232.199.137 (talk) 01:26, 19 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment I think the notability is however clearly borderline,and in this case, since he is not really a controversial figure, I would support deleting the article. I don't like to do it when its someone controversial trying to avoid a unflattering but honest portrayal, but that's not this case here. DGG (talk) 04:25, 19 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

TO ALL CONCERNED WITH THIS ARTICLE

I AM REPEATING WHAT I HAVE STATED YESTERDAY. I AM GEORGE G. BUTTIGIEG, THE UNKNOWING SUBJECT OF THIS ARTICLE. I HAVE RECENTLY BEEN INFORMED ABOUT THIS ARTICLE AND THE ENSUING DEBATE AND I AM TRULY SHOCKED. LET ME POINT OUT THAT THIS ARTICLE HAS BEEN WRITTEN BY A WELL MEANING MEMBER OF MY STAFF WITHOUT MY INVOLVEMENT OR PERMISSION,USING ONE OF THE COMMON E-MAIL ADDRESSES FOR MYSELF AND STAFF. I HAVE NO DESIRE FOR MY NAME TO BE ENTERED INTO WIKPAEDIA OR ELSEWHERE. ALBEIT THE MATERIAL IN THE WRITE UP IS NOT INACCURATE (THOUGHG INCOMPLETE) I WOULD APPRECIATE ITS IMMEDIATE DELETION. IF DIRECT COMMUNICATION WITH ME IS WANTED PLEASE USE georgeb@onvol.net. THIS E-MAIL ADDRESS HAS BEEN USED BY THE PERSON WHO REGISTERED AS CYRUS OF ANTIOCH, WHICH IS THE TITLE OF ONE OF MY SHORT STORIES IN MALTESE. I NEITHER NEED NOR DESIRE THIS PUBLICITY OR TO HAVE MY NAME ENSHRINED IN WIKIPEDIA. PLEASE DO NOT DISCUSS WHETHER TO KEEP OR DELETE THE ARTICLE ANY FURTHER, BUT KINDLY DELETE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. I CANNOT SIGN THIS ENTRY BY MY USERNAME AS I DO NOT HAVE ONE, BUT PLEASE DO NOT REFER TO ME AS CYRUS OF ANTIOCH. I HAVE MADE MY VIEWS CLEAR TO ONE AND ALL. I SHALL NOT COMMUNICATE FURTHER ON THE MATTER. THANK YOU

GEORGE GREGORY BUTTIGIEG — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cyrus_of_Antioch (talk • contribs)

• Delete !vote changed from above. On reconsideration, notability doesn't seem to be there, given the lack of verifiability. --Bfigura ^(talk) 05:47, 19 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete I know the person concerned personally and confirm the person's relative local notability within Malta. Yet the Criteria for Notability for Wikipedia are not met in my opinion. Maybe the author should consider translating the article and moving it to on the Maltese wikipedia. But please check the policy there before. Unfortunately there are several Bios on Maltese People which suffer from the same problem as this. I guess the ratio of Maltese people with entries on wikipedia to the population of 400,000 on Malta is on the high side. That is no justification. A cleanup is rather needed. --Inkiwna 21:21, 19 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• delete Give the man what he wants. While you can find people with substancially less full bios "enshrined" on wikipedia, such effusive cataloging of the mundane dilutes the relevence of wikipedia as a relevant (as opposed to comprehensive) resourceDroliver 02:03, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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