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The result was Withdrawn per improvements by Andrew Davidson (talk · contribs). Ten Pound Hammer(What did I screw up now?) 19:28, 28 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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WP:DICDEF, completely untouched since 2006. Prod declined without comment. Search for sources finds only places advertising hooksets, or uses of the word "hookset" that have nothing to do with fishing. Google even asks me if I meant "hooksett" instead. I'm not doubting that these do exist, but as it stands this is just a dicdef and unlikely to expand beyond that. Ten Pound Hammer(What did I screw up now?) 20:34, 21 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Strong delete per nom. Jdcomix (talk) 20:37, 21 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
So, the relevant policy here is not WP:DICDEF. Instead, the applicable policies include WP:ATD; WP:BEFORE; WP:IMPERFECT; WP:NOTPAPER;WP:PRESERVE and, of course, WP:BITE. Andrew D. (talk) 21:08, 21 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Andrew Davidson: I don't even see the word "hookset" anywhere in the source you linked. The first 10+ sources I found on Google Books all relate to a mathematical term, not a fishing one. After that, I see sources using the word, but not explaining what it actually is. It's possible for a word to see extensive use but not have any purpose as a Wikipedia article. Ten Pound Hammer(What did I screw up now?) 21:12, 21 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • That source starts by using the phrase "setting the hook" which is given in the article's lead as a synonym. In the source's second paragraph, it starts "A successful hook set starts when you tie your fly ...". WP:DICDEF starts by explaining that " In Wikipedia, things are grouped into articles based on what they are, not what they are called by". In other words, if there is some variation in spelling or phrasing of a title, we still cover the topic under a single heading, based on its meaning. When you look for sources, you have to take such variations into account. But, there are, in any case, plenty of angling sources which use the word hookset spelt as we have it in the title. Andrew D. (talk) 21:23, 21 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • If there are "plenty of sources", where are they? I see this all the time: people say "keep, there are sources" but make zero attempt to prove it. So far you've found one, which is a start (although I still don't think it conveys notability). Do you have anything else? Because the fact that Google keeps autocorrecting it to "hooksett" suggests that it's not a particularly common term. WP:BURDEN is your call now. Ten Pound Hammer(What did I screw up now?) 21:24, 21 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • 1≠0. I haven't fished for many years and so everything I'm telling you about the topic comes from what I've read in the numerous sources which I have browsed. I listed that particular source because it has a separate headed chapter about the topic which is visible in preview. Even then, the nominator was unable to grasp that it covered the topic. The nominator has a long history of failing to find sources and then expecting others to do the work required by WP:BEFORE:

    The minimum search expected is a normal Google search, a Google Books search, a Google News search, and a Google News archive search; Google Scholar is suggested for academic subjects.

Andrew D. (talk) 21:36, 21 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I have been working to improve this. I saw the template you placed on the talk page, and clicked several of the links. As I said, the GBooks link gave me several results that have nothing to do with fishing, and even asked "did you mean 'hooksett'?" Regular Google gives me several things called hookset (and again asks me if I meant "Hooksett" instead), including "Hookset Automotive", "Hookset Marine", etc., along with a bunch of fishing forums which are not reliable sources. I did do a WP:BEFORE before prodding, which included Google, GNews, and GBooks, and found nothing. I'll say it again: what else have you found that I haven't? Ten Pound Hammer(What did I screw up now?) 21:45, 21 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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