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The result was delete. RL0919 (talk) 19:05, 24 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Illegal removal of people from the United States (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log | edits since nomination)

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This is an essay masquerading as an encyclopedic article. The lede is a clear use of WP:OR as it WP:SYNTH various WP:PRIMARY court cases to present extraordinary claim that illegally deporting is a capital crime. Also a violation of WP:NPOV as presents one novel interpretation of various laws and cases Slywriter (talk) 15:40, 17 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Law-related deletion discussions. Slywriter (talk) 15:40, 17 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. JBchrch talk 15:45, 17 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Speedy delete. WP:DEL-REASON #14 + WP:NOTESSAY. JBchrch talk 15:46, 17 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per WP:NOTESSAY and a lack of secondary sourcing on this topic as a whole. I don't see what material or topic here is different in a notability sense from IIRAIRA or Deportation and removal from the United States. What is here is mostly OR, and while it might make for a great journal note idea it's not suitable as an article. Alyo (chat·edits) 16:08, 17 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. The above users are ordinary laypersons (they don't know anything about illegal deportation from the United States). The article is sufficiently sourced, those are not primary but irrefutable secondary reliable sources. An article like this one does not even need a source, the several news reports cited in the external links are enough. Putting commonly-known facts such as "Washington, D.C. is the capital of the United States" does not need to be referenced. Every sentence in the article is a commonly-known fact. Those wanting to delete the article probably think that no illegal deportation has ever occurred, but the article provides indisputable evidence to the contrary. 18 U.S.C. § 242 and the FBI website say that if a government official illegally deports a person from the United States he or she could be charged with a crime. That section of law entails capital punishment. If you don't like it that's your personal problem. It's useless to try to hide the facts. WP:CENSOR ("Wikipedia may contain content that some readers consider objectionable or offensive‍—‌even exceedingly so.").--Libracarol (talk) 17:02, 17 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  @Libracarol Don't make assumptions about the background of other editors. In any case, any material should stand on its own. JBchrch talk 17:15, 17 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  Sorry, I thought you were law students. :)--Libracarol (talk) 19:45, 17 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  Perhaps you should know the audience for this site. – The Grid (talk) 20:10, 17 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  I got confused after viewing many users' profiles.--Libracarol (talk) 22:48, 17 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep with reservations. The article certainly has the problems identified above, but they are fixable. A Google scholar search of "deportation of citizens" shows many secondary sources are available, for someone with the werewithal to address this. There is no deadline. Sennalen (talk) 16:59, 17 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  I'll check those when I have more time. I enjoy this topic and want others to know about it.--Libracarol (talk) 17:07, 17 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete would appear to reference texts of laws, simply interpreting them. Oaktree b (talk) 00:04, 18 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Even the title of this essay ("article") is problematic. It's describing deportations that are legal under US law. If kept it the title should be changed to "somebody somewhere else in the world said that US law is illegal" and see if that survives as an article.North8000 (talk) 15:10, 18 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  It's exclusively about those who have been deported illegally, which the government aknowledged.--Libracarol (talk) 02:31, 19 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - The article title alone, screams PoV. GoodDay (talk) 16:27, 18 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  What title do you believe is better? Incorrect deportation? Mistaken deportation? Erroneous deportation? Wrongful deportation?--Libracarol (talk) 02:31, 19 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - per WP:TNT, there's just nothing policy-compliant here worth saving. Someone else can start again properly if they want to (although I don't see how this is a notable topic separate from our other articles about immigration and deportation). Levivich 18:23, 18 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete The best this could ever be made into is a POV fork. Qwirkle (talk) 06:43, 19 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete This article is very POV and does not talk about anything concrete concerning the mecanisms of deportation or real cases. The article seems to me that it could only be a dictionary definition at best, or a POV essay at worst. Safyrr 22:18, 19 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete I am the writer of and contributor to legal articles here. Legislation should be described, with objective commentary added to flavour the article and make it more interesting to read. Articles about law or police should not have an “angle”. This article needs WP:TNT - Such-change47 (talk) 13:02, 20 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. As the person that originally suggested taking this to AFD at the no original research noticeboard. My concern is that the title is inherently POV. To have such a strong title (this idea that deportations, which are normally a legal process carried out by law enforcement, can be illegal), it definitely needs to be backed up with top notch prose and sources. This article isn't it. The sources are all primary, and the prose is POV. If this idea is notable and is kept, this article needs to be TNTd to something like Illegal removal of people from the United States is a concept in United States law. It was first established in [bill/case][citations] and can occur when [concrete examples]. –Novem Linguae (talk) 23:28, 20 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. The content violates WP:SYNTH, and the article is a WP:POVFORK of related articles such as Deportation and removal from the United States. (WP:PRIMARY has also been mentioned, but I would say it is not the root of the problem. Court cases are not categorically primary, and articles can and do cite courts directly for significant parts of their content. The problem is the way they are combined to selectively emphasize points and reach an overall narrative in a way which the sources do not. Primary or secondary, using sources in this manner violates WP:SYNTH.) Adumbrativus (talk) 08:41, 21 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Note - This article has been mentioned at ANI. The thread is Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#User:Libracarol original research. –Novem Linguae (talk) 08:58, 21 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per Adumbrativus.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 20:01, 23 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete or redirect to Deportation and removal from the United States. MarioGom (talk) 16:04, 24 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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