The result was keep. Arbitrarily0 (talk) 13:42, 17 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Bootstrapping promotional article on an organization that fails WP:GNG & WP:ORG. Occasionally mentioned in passing in Italian media, but no significant coverage: I found nine relevant hits on Google News, but these were all one-line mentions in articles on broader subjects. The article references are somewhat misleading: many of those cited are simply articles devoted to topics the group is interested in and don't actually mention the group at all. In addition, the article was created and is principally maintained by an SPA with a conflict of interest, who appears to be using Wikipedia to promote the group and publish its manifesto. The Italian and French versions of the article, authored by the same editor, were deleted for the subject's lack of noteworthiness and the articles' promotional purpose. See also Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard#Libertarian Movement (Italy) --RrburkeekrubrR 19:46, 10 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
So I wanted to clarify some things that can be very useful for the discussion: 1) The italian page of Movimento Libertario has been canceled due to the injury of one who has proposed its deletion. ML Italian Page had all the requirements to be published, unfortunately L736E, has a different ideology opposite from the ML (and he doesn't know what is libertarianism and its principles), and he has repeatedly criticized and gave discredit to ML and libertarianism. Ask his opinion may be not useful for assess objectively the content of the page in relation to Wikipedia ENglish version. The italian discredit on ML has create a chain reaction also in the french version of Wikipedia page. 2) The English page of the ML on Wiki has references to major italian newspapers and national references (Corriere della Sera, Il Giornale, Il Piccolo, Avvenire), unfortunately, Il Giorno and La Repubblica do not cover our information because are center-left newspapers orientation not connected with libertarian ideology. 3) The presence in the national press is linked to ML activities of his members (like the ML coordinator Giorgio Fidenato), not focusing on the libertarian movement as a traditional political subject. As described on the page, it is not a party and do not participate in political elections but it respect the characteristics of the mainstream libertarianism. 4) The nickname Lib3rtarian it not mean that I am a ML supporter, I have used the name for the password only in reference to the page content, it is not a declaration of intent. 5) The English page ML on Wikipedia it was several times improved, even following the directions of other users, I have tried with others to reduce and lighten the page where this was possible. 6) The ML page in English on Wiki does not want to have promotional purpose because it does not participate in elections either by statute. It wants to draw as in the case of other wiki pages of parties or movements libertarians basic points of movement. 7) The article on the website of the libertarian movement is an notice to ML in relation to the objection of the italian page of Wikipedia, where it was noted,many other cases (outside the case ML) of censorship violations and discriminatory and subjective analize of the page. Bye. Lib3rtarian (talk) 05:11, 11 February 2010 (UTC)Lib3rtarian[reply]
Moreover, the Italian press is traditionally reluctant to talk about topics libertarianism and antistate vision in our country, the same applies in relation to the activities of our movement. However, it was the case of a cancellation on Wikipedia Italy which has created problems in relation to proceedings on French Wikipedia. Obviously, if Wikipedia Italian cancel for assessment subjective reasons the policy page (and not on the shape and style of the editorial page), what can I do?. The contents of these ML, a voice is to give information, not a categorical imperative to share. ML is not a political party but a movement and a cultural association, is logical that it doesn't have much visibility but it is present throughout Italy. It would however be the case for determining the content, and since I have written a page based on the Libertarian party U.S. on Wiki english model; I don't think to have created a promotional page. Course in the coming days I will insert links to other online newspapers where Italians mention the libertarian movement and activities of its members more representative. Obviously, the activities reported (for example the battle Futuragra GMOs) are carried out by members of the ML, because the association is made up of many ML supporters. As regards the response of Leonardo Facco on the promotional page of Wikipedia, not up to me, since this is his personal free opinion I must not necessarily agree with him.... Bye Lib3rtarian (talk) 02:30, 12 February 2010 (UTC)Lib3rtarian[reply]
Lib3rtarian (talk) 05:03, 12 February 2010 (UTC)Lib3rtarian[reply]
This page don't want be a promotional page!!!. I have added all the information required (there are more information and links than the others Wiki page that describe others libertarian subjects!). Please don't delete the page!!!. Bye. Lib3rtarian (talk) 22:37, 12 February 2010 (UTC)Lib3rtarian[reply]
I think this page has to exist. It's very rich of informations and I never understand because it was deleted from IT-Wiki. Maybe it could be less long, some paragraphs could be avoided. Libertarian Movement is a little movement in Italy at this moment if you speak about absolute terms, sure, but it's the biggest movement supporting libertarian ideas ever created in Italy. And Libertarian is a very important political philosophy, there's no doubt about there. Mainly for this reason that page is necessary to wikipedia.94.161.221.196 (talk) 22:58, 14 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Have you read the content of this page in particular, (beyond the written notes on others pages incomplete in French and Italian Wikipedia version, that are not relevant for this case)?. I do not understand what you expect from a political movement that has no electoral purposes without considering it as merely promotional!!. I have reported (and as testimony of my good faith) the actual reality of the ML in the italian press (even by leftist journals!). Quantify things in the culture is not a helpful behavior, and neither judge with personal opinions. I've shown you that the creation and implementation efforts of the page as this is not a promotional page, such as the ML is a present reality and activities throughout Italy reported by various newspapers. I also reiterated the fact of writing a page on ML does not mean necessarily be its members or to communicate unverifiable information. Do you want you write a page on an Italian movement of libertarianism?. I have shown how there are the references and how I have express the content in Wiki page with verifiable sources. But for you nothing is good anyway! Obviously you have some prejudices that have nothing to do with the regulation name. Do you think more about what you said L736E (a fascist as shown on the network) that the information of prominent newspapers?. All the information are there, the references too, and it is obviously that all libertarian political parties and movements in the world is not in power and do not have broad support at the polls nor the U.S. nor in Canada, nor in Italy (especially since ML don't participate in elections by the Statute). Do you want delete all libertarian political parties and movement from Wiki page!?!. I therefore think that you are looking for excuses to delete it perhaps ill-advised by some Italian censor. Sorry but if you don't realize the information in references, it is natural think that there is your bad conscious on the ML page. Lib3rtarian (talk) 04:19, 15 February 2010 (UTC)Lib3rtarian[reply]