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The result was delete. MBisanz ^talk 02:18, 23 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

List of gangs associated with the peckerwood subculture[edit]

List of gangs associated with the peckerwood subculture (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log · Stats)

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most of the gangs are not notable, and this is basically a recreation or small part of a couple of lists out there, no independent references showing notability for being on a list. WP is not a directory. Mercurywoodrose (talk) 19:48, 29 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. Gabe Iglesia (talk) 22:40, 29 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Crime-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 21:14, 30 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - Incorrect actually. The article was created because the peckerwood culture is extremely complex, so therefore this list could help explain the alliances of the different regions (which is hard to do with one infobox in the main article). I realized that while I was writing the main peckerwood article because there is sources for the content of this article. It's just incomplete and deserves an incomplete tag. [qub/x q;o++a] ++ 20:06, 31 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep - being incomplete is one thing. that does not justify deletion.BabbaQ (talk) 12:03, 1 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - Fails WP:LISTN. Merging properly sourced content to Peckerwood would be appropriate; a redirect would not. It is doubtful the individual entries in this list will ever be notable, and without that, a list isn't appropriate. John from Idegon (talk) 04:22, 2 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Actually very incorrect. The list's items are notable because they're under the wing of larger gangs such as the Nazi Low Riders, Aryan Brotherhood, Aryan Brotherhood of Texas, Aryan Circle, European Kindred, and many others. There is reliable sources to support that too. With the help of these sources, the article will show the diversity of different alliances in different regions. [qub/x q;o++a] ++ 04:00, 3 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment - I've been a criminal defense attorney for 24 years, and didn't know this was so widespread. Experts needed. Bearian (talk) 19:47, 17 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • It is very widespread indeed. Mainly due to the culture of Aryan Brotherhood and Aryan Brothehood of Texas decentralizing from their original locations and throughout the prison system. This has become a nationwide prison and street gang subculture. [qub/x q;o++a] ++ 07:02, 20 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'd say in todays criminal underworld, it even outnumbers white power skinheads in many regions. The white power skinhead culture is becoming more and more obsolete due to the peckerwood culture's loosely defined racism and emphasis on prison politics becoming more standard. [qub/x q;o++a] ++ 10:06, 20 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - refs like [1] dont show notability, just existence. If there are enough NOTABLE gangs, keep the list. so far, i dont see evidence that the gangs are individually notable, and we are not a directory for gangs. many here dont have refs. I if the list of notable gangs remains below 10, which it seems it will, i recommend merging that content wtih the main article, though the main article itself should be renamed Peckerwood subculture.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 16:58, 20 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    • It's going to be a huge list. It's very unfinished. You have police profiles from almost every single state that prove that the peckerwood culture and its regional scenes is a prominent part of prison and street culture. The article will include lots of police data, murders, gang profiles, prison profiles, alliances, and chapters of Aryan Brotherhood with its rivalries and alliances which differ in almost every region. I also agree that the main article should become Peckerwood subculture, because the word itself doesn't have enough content to go past being a stub and it might as well be a Wiktionary entry. [qub/x q;o++a] ++ 00:29, 21 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
      • I agree that the main article become Peckerwood subculture as I don't see the point why non-notable gangs should be put even before the main article for their culture is still not created.(This comment looks like trash)Your welcome | Democratics ^Talk 01:48, 21 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete, too close to indiscriminate information for my taste, we are not a directory of everything that exists - including criminal gangs.  Sandstein  16:47, 21 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete I have to agree that this fails as per WP:LISTN and WP:NOTEVERYTHING.E.M.Gregory (talk) 17:29, 22 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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