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The result was no consensus‎. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 06:51, 1 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

List of special schools in Hong Kong[edit]

List of special schools in Hong Kong (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log | edits since nomination)

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Fails WP:NOTDIRECTORY. The list is almost entirely comprised of plain text of names of schools, without further context. 33ABGirl (talk) 15:22, 8 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Education, Schools, and China. 33ABGirl (talk) 15:22, 8 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. Hey man im josh (talk) 15:24, 8 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Hong Kong-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 15:29, 8 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete WP:MILL, WP:INDISCRIMINATE Dronebogus (talk) 17:55, 8 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep - While Wikipedia:What_Wikipedia_is_not#Wikipedia_is_not_an_indiscriminate_collection_of_information is against indiscriminate listings, "special schools" are a discriminate category used by the Education Bureau. An example listing here has the category "AIDED SPECIAL SCHOOLS 資助特殊學校". Listings of certain non-notable features like non-notable schools (for example, List of schools in Luton), which are in fact supposed to redirect to locality articles Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Common_outcomes#Schools), are accepted in places. Because it is based on a category of school used by the Hong Kong government, it is not WP:MILL and not WP:INDISCRIMINATE. WhisperToMe (talk) 18:23, 8 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

"Special Schools" [1] is what the Hong Kong Government calls schools catering to special education, which is a very generic category of schools used in many countries, similar in nature to a classification like "secondary" or "primary" school, and thus non-notable. 33ABGirl (talk) 17:44, 9 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I would not say a "special" school is always non-notable. It depends on whether Wikipedia:Reliable sources have written non-directory significant coverage on the school, in either English or Chinese. My experience is that a media outlet is more likely to cover a school if it is novel or unusual in some way. Unfortunately many databases don't carry pre-1993 coverage of the South China Morning Post, so one has to make special queries at WP:RX. Its possible Hong Kong Wikipedians would also have to check databases of Chinese papers to see if more of these schools have coverage (and in other words, be notable) WhisperToMe (talk) 03:11, 10 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep - per User:WhisperToMe . Special school is a category of schools in Hong Kong, see Education Bureau, HKSAR, Overview of Special Schools (in Chinese). I would want to use the term positive discrimination if anyone insists it is a discrimination. Also the list is verifiable and is of clear definition and contextual information (§1 of WP:DIRECTORY) -✉ Hello World! 01:38, 9 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. Fails WP:NOTDIRECTORY, majority of these schools are non notable. Category:Special schools in Hong Kong only shows one unique school. Ajf773 (talk) 02:44, 9 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • I am aware that the burden of proof of whether something is notable is with the users trying to add or restore content. With that in mind, it would be nice to ask users to check Hong Kong media to see if any have covered these schools (in English or Chinese). One complicating factor is that many databases don't have access to pre-1993 coverage of the South China Morning Post. WhisperToMe (talk) 03:11, 10 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    The question, per WP:NLIST is whether the schools are covered as a group by independent sources. This topic is regularly studied, and reported on in mainstream and scholarly sources. Not sure if this needs to be incorporated into the article, but this list of English language sources should satisfy your curiosity:

    • sports participation in special schools in HK (paywall) [2]
    • HK schools for emotional disability (7 schools) discussed as a group (full text)[3]
    • lack of support for non-Chinese speakers in HK special schools [4] (non-paywall [5]); see also[6]

    Oblivy (talk) 05:47, 10 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • You cannot just use the number of articles appeared in Wikipedia, as the only standard to decide whether it is notable.--✉ Hello World! 02:44, 13 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Well there nothing else obvious that establishes notability of this list. Ajf773 (talk) 02:03, 17 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep this list is more curated than a general list of schools (see the kindergarten list nominated today by same editor), and thus encyclopedic. Not sure about the positive discrimination rationale above, but this isn't indiscriminate. It could use some category descriptions rather than just headers. Oblivy (talk) 02:51, 9 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, - 🔥𝑰𝒍𝒍𝒖𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝑭𝒍𝒂𝒎𝒆 (𝒕𝒂𝒍𝒌)🔥 02:10, 16 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Star Mississippi 18:45, 23 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. Fails WP:NOTDIRECTORY Grahaml35 (talk) 19:35, 28 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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