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The result was delete. Can merge content with Miss Universe 2016 if necessary. Nakon 18:12, 21 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Miss Universe 2016 - Confirmed Candidates

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Another version of an earlier removed article (Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Miss Universe 2015 (2nd nomination) with a clear intention to circumvent the protection of Miss Universe 2016. Still a crystal ball with no date and venue. The pageant itself is completely unsourced (all given sources are about the contestants and feeder pageants) with many of the given sources failintg WP:RS The Banner talk 10:19, 2 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Well, this is not a recreation of the deleted page of Miss Universe 2015. This page is only taking all the information that is being received while all the candidates are being selected. This is not the main page of Miss Universe 2016, it is just all the candidates that have been selected up to day. This page is relevant and it has reliable sources, it doesn't contain fake information, it is not a recreation of any other page. It's just a pre-pageant information compilation. Thank You. --Cesaro2012 (talk) 00:32, 3 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
It is just a creative way to circumvent the protection on "Miss Universe 2016". The Banner talk 11:21, 3 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The page you are trying to delete is just where all the information of the candidates that are being selected is being taken. The competition begins when the first candidate gets selected. We need to have information of all of the candidates ready, because this page is not just for the Wikipedia users, is too for the people who want to be informed about how is the pageant going, which ones are the candidates or when is going to be held other national pageants. Cesaro2012 (talk) 21:44, 3 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
First you need a pageant with date and venue. As long as you have no proper sourced pageant, the list of potential participants is utterly useless. Even so, the article needs sources conform WP:RS. In the present state I estimate that 80% of all sources fail on that point. The Banner talk 23:57, 3 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think we need date and venue because while date and venue are not being revealed, other important facts are being revealed as the number of contestants (that are the 95% of the page). I checked all the sources and they are from official pages in Facebook and Instagram, or in different pageant related pages that are 100% reliable. I can tell you that 90% of the sources of this page are 100% reliable. Cesaro2012 (talk) 10:49, 4 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Please do me a favour and start reading WP:RS. Social media, like Instagram and Facebook, are NOT reliable sources. And related sources also fail WP:RS. The Banner talk 13:59, 4 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Only a 15% of sources in this page are from Facebook of Instagram. The rest of the sources come from reliable pages that are known in the pageantry world and other sources were given by news reporters or national news. That 15% of social media sources have been taken from the official pages of the respective country pageants (Making counts 85% of the sources of this page are completely reliable and just 15% of those sources can be proven by yourself). I have read WP:RS and it says that social media pages are banned to be used as reliable sources, those not-reliable sources would be deleted or replaced by another source on Internet.Cesaro2012 (talk) 19:09, 4 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
What about the "related sources" that you so nicely ignore... The Banner talk 21:43, 4 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Can you tell me what are the related sources in the page? Cesaro2012 (talk) 13:54, 7 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
PageantsNews.com, Česká Miss, Česká Miss, The Great Pageant Community, Global Beauties, Carolyn Carteren Instagram, Angelopedia.com, Miss Universe Canada, Miss Universe Canada, Miss Universo Bolivia -Official (Facebook), Missosology (Facebook), Missosology (Facebook), MissNorway.org, Miss British Virgin Islands 2015/16 - Adorya R. Baly en Facebook, Miss Universe Thailand (Facebook), Miss Universe-Sweden.com, Miss Universe Guam en Facebook, nextmissnz.com, Miss Universe Malta (Facebook), Pageanthology 101 (Facebook), MissUSVirginIslands2016.com, Miss Universe Guam (Facebook), http://miss-modelky.blog.cz/en/1009/miss-us-virgin-islands-carolyn-whitney-carter, http://www.globalbeauties.com/blog/2011/08/miss-supranational-us-virgin-islands-2011/...
And I assume that I have missed a few! The Banner talk 17:45, 7 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
You are showing me the Facebook and Instagram sources that still in the page (These sources will be replaced with pageant-related pages information). I don't understand what do you mean with "related sources". --Cesaro2012 (talk) 02:14, 8 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
If you don't know the difference between independent sources (not in any way linked to pageants or contestants) and related sources (related to pageants and/or contestants) you better stop editing Wikipedia. Wikipedia:Competence is required, and when you are unable to distinguish between the two, there is simply no competence. The Banner talk 13:48, 8 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 09:02, 9 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I would love that this page wouldn't exist an that the 2016 Miss Universe Pageant page is unlocked to be edited regularly with reliable sources and all the information that is being saved about the pageant before it finish, but some people think that to create that page we should have a date and a host, and it gets revealed when the pageant is about to begin and it doesn't give us the enough time to edit it and publish it with reliable sources. Cesaro2012 (talk) 00:21, 11 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Cesaro2012 - Many many events have unconfirmed stuff at the beginning but as time goes on more reliable sources come and it's updated regularly so I don't see how that shouldn't be the case here ?, I get the "fans" will come along and fuck it all up by adding unreliable sources etc but adding Pending Changes to the article would solve any issues ......, To me adding PC to the article is better than simply locking it and thus having this pointless article ..... Welcome to Wikipedia! , –Davey2010Talk 02:09, 11 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
To make it worse, we have also Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Colombiabeauty hanging in the air. The sockpuppet investigation mentions several editors of this article. The Banner talk 10:14, 12 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oh lovely just what the article needs! –Davey2010Talk 12:30, 12 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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