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The result was no consensus. Stifle (talk) 10:15, 20 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ric Viers

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Unremarkable sound designer. All sources appear to be self-sourced. Does not meet WP:NOTABILITY. Declined speedy deletion. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 14:11, 12 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Living people-related deletion discussions. --Erwin85Bot (talk) 00:01, 13 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This sound designer has been lauded by Oscar winning sound designers and has produced more sound effects for the industry than any other sound designer. His book The Sound Effects Bible is an industry first, receiving praise from Skywalker Sound, Midway Games, Alan Howarth, Randy Thom, and Frank Serafine. He courted by companies like Sony, Apple, and Adobe to create their exclusive sound material for all of their software. To claim that he is unremarkable reflects ones lack of knowledge of the sound effects industry as a whole. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.112.253.12 (talk) 14:06, 13 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - I can't find any coverage about him in reliable sources. I can find no information to indicate he has won any notable awards for his work. With respect to the praise and high-esteem with which he his held by his colleagues, where are the sources to substantiate it? -- Whpq (talk) 19:23, 13 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - Aside from the back cover of the book (http://www.amazon.com/Sound-Effects-Bible-Create-Hollywood/dp/1932907483/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1242310122&sr=8-1#reader), there is also the publishers website (http://shop.mwp.com/products/the-sound-effects-bible-how-to-create-and-record-hollywood-style-sound-effects). Here is a review of the book (http://www.postmagazine.com/ME2/dirmod.asp?sid=&nm=&type=Publishing&mod=Publications%3A%3AArticle&mid=&tier=4&id=789341E56E77405EB7C2866AD1BE7B98). Sites referrencing Ric Viers (http://www.abouttheimage.com/3809/audiomicro_now_representing_ae_micro_music_publishing_archive_and_ric_viers/author2 - http://www.gokafi.com/guests/ - http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/showcase/CaseStudy.asp?ID=113 - http://nab2009.sprnetwork.com/2009/04/22/nabshow-floor-interview-ric-viers-ceo-blastwave-fx/). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.112.253.12 (talk) 14:21, 14 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Of that list, I'd only consider the Post review of his book a reliable source. I still don't see notability being established with a single book review. -- Whpq (talk) 14:24, 14 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- So you're saying that because he hasn't been given any awards for his work this sound designer doesn't deserve notability? This is despite his peers agreeing that he has written the book on sound design, as listed on the publishers site and for some reason is not reliable enough for you. Although, Michael Wiese Productions is one of the largest film business book publishers in the world and the most respected. Finally, with Viers's creation of close to 200,000 sound effects to date, it is a quarantee that you hear his work all of the time and not realize it. Doesn't this constitue notability?
  - Not necessarily. Notability on Wikipedia has a fairly specific meaning. See WP:NOTABILITY. And WP:COI, I suspect. Thanks. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 15:15, 14 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep. The Sony interview and the NAB radio interview are indepth coverage, and the Post review too. I'm not totally convinced, but I think there is enough to establish notability as a sound designer. Fences and windows (talk) 23:46, 18 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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