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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:43, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sara Braga Simoes[edit]

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No sources, no real assertation of notability. May be a translated job ("sunged"? Is that the past tense of "sung"?) Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP)} 20:58, 2 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep Many of the refs can be found under Sara Braga Simões, but I found several in Portuguese, including http://www.pnetliteratura.pt/noticia.asp?id=958 and http://www.musica.reitoria.uminho.pt/historial.html. I had tagged the article and removed the blog link earlier, but only now did a better search. I am not an expert on Opera, or Portuguese, but I am betting she has gotten enough press by the looks of what I found when really digging deep. Perhaps by a good margin. PHARMBOY ^{(moo) (plop)} 21:47, 2 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • As a side note, I found tons of bad links from old sites when googling, and it took a bit of deeper searching to find the foreign language references. I certainly don't question the effort or faith of the nom, but think she is notable in opera, something you and I are not experts in. (I know for a fact that you like country music ;) I tagged for rescue, and yes, the article needs a TON of work. Whether the concensus thinks it is worth the effort or not, we will see. PHARMBOY ^{(moo) (plop)} 22:03, 2 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Living people-related deletion discussions. --Erwin85Bot (talk) 00:02, 4 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment listed at Portugal and Opera wikiprojects. -- Banjeboi 03:28, 5 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete : The article starts with "renowned Portuguese soprano" but we dont even know her birthdate or who she is for real. Most of information (almost all actually) about her are not in English; even so, I would say, information about her is very scarce. I am sorry to say that she is probably not notable enough to be granted an article in here just yet. This is just my opinion. - Jay (talk) 07:16, 5 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Improve: If the article can be improved with sufficient reference, I agree for it to be kept. Btw, I like the way it looks and "sounds" now. - Jay (talk) 16:20, 5 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep : She's been singing at the Teatro Nacional de São Carlos as explained in her English language blog - also alongside no less a star than Vesselina Kasarova, Refs need improvement of course. --Kleinzach 08:59, 5 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep I've done a 'rescue job' on it and added a lot of references. Apart from singing in the Teatro Nacional de São Carlos, a major opera house, she has also sung in the world premieres of two operas by 21st century Portuguese composers, including Evil Machines, with a libretto by Terry Jones. In my view, she has enough to pass the criteria that the Opera Project tends to use for notability. To give you an idea of the kinds of requirements, here are some examples of AfDs for fledgling opera singers that failed: [1], [2], [3] and some that passed: [4], [5]. Voceditenore (talk) 10:52, 5 November 2008 (UTC) PS. Needless to say, I removed the "renowned" from the article. She's not renowned, but in my view she's notable and that's all she needs. Voceditenore (talk) 11:07, 5 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Wow Nice WP:HEY job on the article. DENNIS BROWN (T) (C) 13:33, 5 November 2008 (UTC) (formally Pharmboy)[reply]
• Keep Per Voceditenore's fine work. -- Banjeboi 23:41, 5 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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