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The result was merge to Line 9 (Chongqing Rail Transit). The argument that all train stations are automatically notable has no basis in an actual guideline, as has been pointed out, which makes the "keep" arguments presented here rather weak. Sandstein 20:04, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Xingke Avenue station[edit]

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Reviewed under new page patrol. One of many non-notable stations on a large train line. No indication of wp:notability under SNG or GNG, nor of a hope for expansion. I merged it into the train line article and was reverted. North8000 (talk) 17:26, 20 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

IMO they are not mutually exclusive and both worth doing. A decision here would indicate outlook for existing as a separate article and your (tougher to et done) idea would be a bigger fix. North8000 (talk) 00:40, 21 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Where is "all rail stations are notable" from? We're supposed to be implementing guidelines here. North8000 (talk) 14:00, 21 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
You misunderstand AfD then. It also works on WP:CONSENSUS (a policy, incidentally), as illustrated by WP:RAILOUTCOMES. As I have pointed out numerous times, if whether we kept articles or not was only down to the implementation of "rules" then we wouldn't have AfDs at all. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:09, 21 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
AFD is where we (using the wp:consensus process) decide whether or not, based on applicable policies and guidelines it can exist and as a separate article. I'm not against bending the rules or working the borderline when there's a reason. But mass generation of a separate inevitable permastub article for every railroad station on a line isn't what I'd call such a reason, particularly where it clearly fails both GNG and SNG. North8000 (talk) 16:49, 22 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Bottom line, if you want there to be a policy or guideline stating all railway stations are inherently notable, be my guest and go to the village pump and propose it. And if that becomes the case, I will respect it. But you need to recognize no such policy or guideline exists right now, and that other editors will not be constrained by your arguments of "keep it because we always keep these" when you can't point to any policies or guidelines (besides a misapplication of consensus, because as you have already been reminded, consensus can change). Trainsandotherthings (talk) 18:50, 22 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
How does the presence of an article constrain you? If you don't like it, don't read or edit it. NemesisAT (talk) 19:49, 22 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
You can find more on my philosophy here at [1] and [2]. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 20:03, 22 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This AfD discussion has been proposed for merger to Line 9 (Chongqing Rail Transit), and a notice of the proposed merger was posted to that page on June 22, 2022. As such, this AfD discussion may need to be extended or relisted to incorporate input from that page.

  1. Is not even a guideline, it's an observation of common outcomes, and per other postsa, it appears that even that observation may be wrong
  2. Conflicts with their blanket statement, stating a few types which are usually kept after which it says:"Other stations are usually kept or merged and redirected to an article about the line or system they are on.""
North8000 (talk) 16:27, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@ North8000 I agree, but unfortunately Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Common outcomes is often effective at shutting down discourse based in notability policy. It often takes an WP:RFC ruling to overturn these precedences and the way they are used at AFD. Some examples of this would be WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES and WP:BCASTOUTCOMES which have been altered to align with policy after RFCs. I would suggest that a similar RFC is needed to review WP:RAILOUTCOMES.4meter4 (talk) 17:42, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
4meter4 I agree. But per my even WP:RAILOUTCOMES as-is triply isn't what people have been saying it is. North8000 (talk) 19:54, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.