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The result was keep. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:17, 7 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yangzhou Xinhua High School[edit]

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Fails GNG and NORG, ref 1 reads like a press release, although I cannot find markings noting that it is. Ref 2, 4, and 6 are not independent (see comment below). Ref 3 is a 525 page book that mentions the school three times from what I can see, probably passing mentions. Further reading section consists of what I think is studies conducted by the school. (Google search returned no additional results that are reliable. zh-wiki article does not seem to have any useful citations that may contribute to notability. Justiyaya 03:07, 31 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Schools and China. Justiyaya 03:07, 31 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment Whoops didn't notice the PROD contest by Cunard (and probably wouldn't have nominated if I did). The prod has similar sources in the article. Looking over the papers (further reading section) again, I've realized I've confused the school with another one located in the same area, but I would argue that the citations still either falls under passing coverage, as it studies the current situation of girls' physical education or Chinese teaching in the school or is a primary source and as such cannot contribute to WP:GNG. Else an argument can also be made for WP:AUD as the intended audience are all local except citation one which as previously noted sounds like a press release. Justiyaya 04:08, 31 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources. Thank you for the ping, Justiyaya (talk · contribs).

  Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies)#Schools says:

  All universities, colleges and schools, including high schools, middle schools, primary (elementary) schools, and schools that only provide a support to mainstream education must either satisfy the notability guidelines for organizations, the general notability guideline, or both. For-profit educational organizations and institutions are considered commercial organizations and must satisfy those criteria. (See also WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES)

  Analysis

  Yangzhou Xinhua High School is a non-profit educational organization, so the guideline says the school is notable even if it meets the the general notability guideline but not the the notability guidelines for organizations. This means there is no requirement for the school to meet WP:AUD which applies only to companies, organizations, and for-profit educational organizations. Regarding the academic research done into the school's physical education and students' performance in Chinese reading, I consider those sources to be about the school's pedagogy so contribute to establishing notability.

  One journal article (Cao & Xu 2017) is from people affiliated with Yangzhou University which is independent of this high school. The second academic article (Cai 2019) does not have an affiliation but it is likely the author is not affiliated with the school given how negative his abstract is ("the students in this school have a weak awareness of developing their own logical thinking in reading and learning, and the teachers' awareness of improving their own logical thinking is weak").

  Sources

  1. Cao, Yu 曹瑜; Xu, Yuanyu 徐元玉 (2017). "扬州市新华中学女生体育课现状调查及对策研究" [Investigation and Countermeasures of the Current Situation of Girls' Physical Education in Yangzhou Xinhua High School]. 文体用品与科技 [Culture & Sports Utensils And Technology Journal Publisher] (in Chinese) (12). Archived from the original on 2022-07-25. Retrieved 2022-07-25 – via Cqvip.

     The research was done by people from the School of Physical Education at Yangzhou University, which is independent of Yangzhou Xinhua High School.

     The abstract notes: "An in-depth investigation of the current situation of girls' physical education in Yangzhou Xinhua High School and interviews with high school physical education teachers were conducted to indicate the level of participation of high school girls in the classroom and the current situation of school teaching, and put forward countermeasures and suggestions for improvement in response to this phenomenon."

  2. Cai, Tiantian 蔡甜田 (2019). "扬州市新华中学语文阅读教学中学生逻辑思维发展与提升研究" [Research on the Development and Improvement of Students' Logical Thinking in Chinese Reading Teaching in Yangzhou Xinhua High School] (in Chinese). CNKI. Archived from the original on 2022-07-25. Retrieved 2022-07-25.

     The abstract notes from Google Translate: "I conducted a field investigation and visit to the Xinhua High School in Xinhua City, and found that the students in this school have a weak awareness of developing their own logical thinking in reading and learning, and the teachers' awareness of improving their own logical thinking is weak. Therefore, the author analyzes and summarizes the reasons for the lack of students' logical thinking ability in reading teaching, and then proposes solutions."

  3. "江苏省扬州市新华中学" [Yangzhou Xinhua High School, Jiangsu Province] (in Chinese). China National Radio. 中国广播网教育频道. 2012-03-14. Archived from the original on 2022-07-25. Retrieved 2022-07-25.

     The article notes from Google Translate: "Yangzhou Xinhua High School was founded in 1926. In 1995, it moved from the palace next to Wenchang Pavilion in the old city to a new location. The new campus is located in the center of Yangzhou New City, covering an area of 105 acres. The school currently has 57 classes and more than 3,000 teachers and students. In 1999, the school was recognized as a key high school in Jiangsu Province. In 2006, the school was established as a four-star high school in Jiangsu Province."

  4. Wang, Ningning 王宁宁 (2017). 近代扬州文人群体研究（1840－1945） [The Study of Literati in Modern Yangzhou (1840–1845)] (in Chinese). Beijing: Social Sciences Literature Press. p. 220. ISBN 978-7-5201-0519-4. Retrieved 2022-07-25 – via Google Books.

     The book provides a few sentences of coverage. The book notes: "... 文人蒋贞金回扬参与创办私立扬州中学(新华中学前身)和扬州国学专修学校,从事教育工作数十年。 1926 年,私立扬州中学成立,胡显伯、伯龄、戴天球、蒋太华、唐寿、陈达、周中骅等七人任该校校董。"

     From Google Translate: "... Literati Jiang Zhenjin Huiyang participated in the establishment of private Yangzhou High School (the predecessor of Xinhua High School) and Yangzhou Sinology Specialized School, and has been engaged in education for decades. In 1926, the private Yangzhou High School was established, and seven people, including Hu Xianbo, Bo Ling, Dai Tianqiu, Jiang Taihua, Tang Shou, Chen Da, and Zhou Zhonghua, served as the school's directors."

  5. Wang, Jinxiang 王金祥 (2008). 扬州城老街巷 [Old Streets and Alleys of Yangzhou City] (in Chinese). Yangzhou: 广陵书社. pp. 62, 68, 82. ISBN 978-7-8069-4262-8. Retrieved 2022-07-25 – via Google Books.

     The book notes on page 62: "东侧中段是扬州新华中学院墙。解放前新华中学校名为私立扬州中学,此处原名皇宫,是曹寅的官邸。上世纪 90 年代搬迁新华中学, ..."

     From Google Translate: "The middle section of the east side is the wall of Yangzhou Xinhua High School. Before liberation, Xinhua High School was called Private Yangzhou High School, which was formerly known as the Imperial Palace and was the official residence of Cao Yin. Xinhua High School was relocated in the 1990s,..."

     The book notes on page 68: "1949 年 5 月,平民、江、同仁中学合并为私立集美中学, 1951 年 1 月私立集美中学和私立扬州中学合并为私立新华中学,校址就设在皇宫内。中山纪念堂成为新华中学的小会堂和教师办公室。上世纪 50 年代,在新华中学门前设立了皇宮菜场, 1958 年在菜场处砌了 ..."

     From Google Translate: "In May 1949, Pingmin, Jiang and Tongren High Schools merged into private Jimei High School. In January 1951, Private Jimei High School and Private Yangzhou High School merged into Private Xinhua High School, which was located in the palace. Sun Yat-sen Memorial Hall became the small hall and teacher's office of Xinhua High School. In the 1950s, the Imperial Palace Market was set up in front of the Xinhua High School, and in 1958, a..."

     The book notes on page 82: "上世纪扬州市新华中学学生宿舍曾在中小街中段西侧。街西侧至今变化甚微。"

     From Google Translate: "The student dormitory of Yangzhou Xinhua High School used to be on the west side of the middle section of Zhongxiao Street in the last century. Little has changed on the west side of the street."

  There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Yangzhou Xinhua High School (simplified Chinese: 扬州市新华中学; traditional Chinese: 揚州市新華中學) to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".

  Cunard (talk) 04:57, 31 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• @Cunard: Thanks for pointing the part in WP:NSCHOOL out, I didn't notice that. I think an argument for COI can be made for source three based on its promotional tone. (from google translate the article includes) "More than 80 years of brilliance have created the Xinhua spirit of 'unity and hard work, hard work, truth-seeking and innovation, and scientific development'" really stands out as being a press release or somehow affiliated with the school. I don't think four or five provides significant coverage given the context, both being books that only contains 2-3 mentions of the subject. 1/2 are quite convincing in terms of GNG given the argument by Jumpytoo and Cunard though. Justiyaya 06:25, 31 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  Yes, I just googled it and the third source mentioned above seems to be taken from the school's website, with promotional tone. So there may be a conflict of interest. -- Ib 💬 08:38, 31 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Thank you for finding this. I am striking the third source. Cunard (talk) 08:04, 1 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep per Cunards sources. I don't have access to the full text of the journal articles, but I doubt that articles that solely focus on the school learning ability would not also have backgrounder information about the school, which would be secondary and sufficient for WP:GNG. Jumpytoo Talk 05:09, 31 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Education-related deletion discussions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 08:22, 31 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per the sources given above. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 10:36, 31 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per Cunard's analysis, especially source 1. Also good to be cognizant that us English speakers will naturally have trouble finding Chinese-language sources to establish notability, which to me suggests the relevance of WP:NPOSSIBLE (editors should consider the possibility that sources may still exist even if their search failed to uncover any). Ovinus (talk) 23:37, 4 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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