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Category:Final Fantasy antagonists

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The result of the debate was duplicate nomination. Angus McLellan (Talk) 15:08, 26 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Final Fantasy antagonists (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Zeromus

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Category:Retronymous adjectives

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The result of the debate was delete. Angus McLellan (Talk) 15:09, 26 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Retronyms

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The result of the debate was delete. Angus McLellan (Talk) 15:11, 26 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Retronyms (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
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Category:Linguists of Biblical languages

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The result of the debate was delete. Angus McLellan (Talk) 15:14, 26 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Linguists of Biblical languages (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Comment Why not simply categorise then under Greek, Aramaic, Hebrew, etc then? 'Biblical languages' is simply too ill-defined. If they are Biblical scholars then they can also be categorised Category:Biblical scholars.
Xdamrtalk 19:37, 20 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Answer It seems that because of the uniqueness of Biblical linguistics, one must be a scholar in several languages, rather than just one. For example, Hebrew and Aramaic are both a must for Old Testament linguistics. Greek and Latin seem to go together for New Testament. However, Hebrew and Greek seem to go together, too. Thanks. Pastorwayne 20:06, 20 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - User:Pastorwayne does not appear to understand the difference between linguist (someone who studies languages) and translator (someone who translates from one language to another). I am deleting the incorrect category description. Dr. Submillimeter 10:33, 21 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Answer - I understand the difference well. These scholars are not primarily translators. These are persons who study these ancient Biblical languages toward the end of ellucidating the Biblical text. Not every Biblical scholar does this. Some specialize in other forms of "Biblical criticism" such as redaction criticism, textual criticism, historical criticism, etc. You, Dr. S., undoubtedly understand the intracacies of astronomers and their sub-specialties. I know something about THESE scholars, using their work on a regular basis in my field of expertise. The category description was correct. Thanks. Pastorwayne 12:56, 21 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Correction PW, Dr S is right: whatever your other use of this work, you have misunderstood the terminology here, and I note the complete absence in any of your replies to any external references which would justify the use of the term "liguist" here. "Linguistic criciticism", as defined in Linguistic Criticism, is not a discipline of linguistics: it is a term used within biblical scholarship to describe a process which is secular contexts would probably be called either a type of 'literary criticism", or textual analysis, otherwise known as "Content analysis". It is not, of course, a straightforwrd matter of translation, but the tools it uses are derived from translation rather than from linguistics. I have reverted your restoration of the inaccurate description removed by Dr S.
I am also disappointed to see that despite this CFD, you are adding the category to articles where it clearly does not belong, such as Edwin Edgar Voigt: the work described in the article positions him as a translator, not a linguist. I have removed that one, because EEV doesn't fit the category even within your own rather strange definition. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 14:32, 21 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Can one be in Category:Biblical scholars and not be a scholar in one or more Biblical languages? What does this 'helpful, useful' new category provide that Category:Biblical scholars lacks? -- roundhouse 02:19, 21 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Game show contestants

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The result of the debate was no consensus Tim! 19:42, 1 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Game show contestants (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Category:Contestants in American game shows (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Category:Contestants in British game shows (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

The parent category strikes me as problematic and I'm not sure what to do about it. It seeks to capture three sorts of game show contestants: those who become notable for doing well; those who become notable in connection with a game show scandal; and those who are notable for reasons unrelated to appearing on a game show. It's the third criterion that bohers me. By definition those people who are otherwise notable are not going to be notable for their game show appearances, and indeed many of the included celebrities are so categorized for such things as being on I've Got a Secret (the category for which contestants I've put up for deletion). Which makes them essentially guest star appearances, which we don't categorize by. This opens the door to categorizing every "mystery guest" from What's My Line as a "game show contestant." But I'm not sure how to go about fixing the category or if it can be fixed or if it should just be deleted. The two sub-cats suffer the same problems of categorizing many of its members by trivial characteristic. If kept, however, they sould be renamed to "Contestants on ..." to correct the grammar. Otto4711 19:12, 19 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • Well no, because that would be absurd. Otto4711 02:39, 20 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Doom production crew (Movie)

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The result of the debate was delete. Angus McLellan (Talk) 15:16, 26 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Doom production crew (Movie) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Delete - the category currently houses two actors from the film, making it a de facto actors by film category. Otto4711 17:14, 19 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Former students of the University of Bonn

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The result of the debate was rename to Category:University of Bonn alumni. Angus McLellan (Talk) 15:18, 26 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Rename to Category:University of Bonn alumni, convention of Category:Alumni by university in Germany. -- Prove It (talk) 17:03, 19 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Canadian immigrants to Brazil

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The result of the debate was keep all. Angus McLellan (Talk) 16:03, 26 February 2007 (UTC) Merge all of the following into the two parent categories[reply]

Merge Category:Canadian immigrants to Brazil and Category:Canadian immigrants to the United States into Category:Canadian emigrants
Merge all the subcats (can someone please help me list them all?) of Category:Canadian expatriates, including Category:Canadian expatriates in Brazil, into Category:Canadian expatriates.
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Category:University of Berlin faculty

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The result of the debate was rename. --RobertGtalk 10:29, 27 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Rename to Category:Humboldt University of Berlin faculty, to match Humboldt University of Berlin. -- Prove It (talk) 16:54, 19 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:TV crew by series

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The result of the debate was listify and delete. the wub "?!" 22:13, 1 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:30 Rock crew (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Category:Square One TV crew (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Category:SpongeBob SquarePants crew members (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Category:Battlestar Galactica crew (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Category:Battlestar Galactica (1978) crew (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Category:Battlestar Galactica (2004) crew (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Category:The Simpsons crew members (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Category:The Brady Bunch production crew (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Category:The Sarah Silverman Program crew (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Category:Futurama crew (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Category:Charlie's Angels production crew (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Delete - similar to the recently CFDed actor by series categories. The same rationale for deletion applies, in that crew members (which on Wikipedia seems to mean mostly producers, writers and directors) are likely to work on a number of projects in the course of their careers. Categories for producers, writers and directors by series also appear to be on the way out. Unsure about the utility of listifying since these "crew" categories include people from multiple disciplines. Otto4711 16:44, 19 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The thing is that the category system isn't really designed to be a full functioning cross-indexing database. I agree that it might be interesting or useful for some readers to be able to look up what projects two specific directors might have collectively worked on, but that goes beyond the functional intent of the categories in Wikipedia. You can, though, do that sort of cross-index searching at www.imdb.com . Dugwiki 22:37, 21 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:African Hip Hop

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The result of the debate was delete Tim! 19:38, 1 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, as empty, or at least Rename to Category:African hip hop. -- Prove It (talk) 16:36, 19 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Appeared at the Golden Raspberry Awards

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The result of the debate was delete. Angus McLellan (Talk) 15:36, 26 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Appeared at the Golden Raspberry Awards (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Delete, Not a useful category. Categories exist for the award winners we don't need an additional category for the people who appear to receive their award or to watch. After Midnight 0001 16:31, 19 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Fashion House cast and crew

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The result of the debate was delete. Angus McLellan (Talk) 16:12, 26 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Fashion House cast and crew (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Speedy delete per previous actor/cast categories CFD. Cast list exists in Fashion House article. Otto4711 16:22, 19 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Xdamrtalk 15:03, 20 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:University of Berlin alumni

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The result of the debate was rename to Category:Humboldt University of Berlin alumni. Angus McLellan (Talk) 15:38, 26 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Rename to Category:Humboldt University of Berlin alumni to match Humboldt University of Berlin. -- Prove It (talk) 16:06, 19 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Rename as per nom absolutely, otherwise too much confusion. Good thinking!!SupportAmfar 03:49, 20 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Rename per nom. Kolindigo 07:48, 21 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:African American hip hop groups

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The result of the debate was relist Tim! 19:34, 1 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:African American hip hop groups to Category:American hip hop groups
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Category:Hindu Worship

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The result of the debate was moved to speedy renaming. Angus McLellan (Talk) 15:41, 26 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:Hindu Worship to Category:Hindu worship
Nominator's Rationale: There is no discernible reason for the worship to be capitalized. Esprit15d (talk ¤ contribs) 13:45, 19 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Characters whose faces are never fully seen

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The result of the debate was delete/listify Tim! 19:30, 1 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Characters whose faces are never fully seen (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Seems to be a rather, shall we say, useless category. Rather non-intuitive, and in my opinion, non-encyclopedic. Cheers, Afluent Rider 13:15, 19 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That's a good observation. This article appears to be a sublist of List of unseen characters#Heard but never completely seen. So probably we should simply merge this article into that one (in fact, I bet most of the entries probably already appear on both lists.) Dugwiki 22:40, 21 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Australian Aboriginal culture

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The result of the debate was no consensus. the wub "?!" 22:17, 1 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Merge Category:Australian Aboriginal culture with Category:Indigenous Australian culture We need to merge these two categories as, although they have a technically different meaning, some authors use one and some use the other quite indiscriminately, meaning that articles in this subject area may be found in either of these two categories. I raised this issue on Wikipedia:Australian Wikipedians' notice board a few days ago and nobody has objected to the merge. The name (i.e. the broader and more inclusive one) for the merged category should be Category:Indigenous Australian culture Rayd8 | User talk:Rayd8 08:56, 19 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see any harm in either merging the categories or keeping them separate. Having to refine editors' choice of category is not unusual, and not a reason for a merge. When we discussed the category structure in Oct 2005, I said it seemed reasonable to have separate categories, but it really just depends on whether there are enough articles to make it worth it. JPD (talk) 12:23, 19 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Sci-fi Horror films

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The result of the debate was rename to Category:Science fiction horror films. No consensus to delete, and Pegship's renaming proposal matches the parent category Category:Science fiction films. --RobertGtalk 10:37, 27 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:Sci-fi Horror films to Category:Sci-fi horror films
Nominator's Rationale: Rename, capitalization. Quuxplusone 07:49, 19 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Well, we do have Category:Comedy-drama films (which isn't quite the same thing, but similar), so categories for capturing blended-genre films aren't unheard of. I'm not going to rend my garments should the category be deleted but there is some small precedent. Otto4711 23:19, 19 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Note that Comedy-drama (dramedy) is not a subset. A drama also indicates a performance with character development and has a much more ancient origin. In the earlier years, much of the comedy, was situation comedy. As of recent we have comedy-drama, which is a clear distinct form of comedy that is more 4 dimensional then situation-comedy. That's a bit more of a television-genre approach, i'm not really sure if it applies to films as well, but it's something to consider. TheDJ (talkcontribsWikiProject Television) 14:01, 20 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:The Carpenters Television Specials

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The result of the debate was merge into Category:The Carpenters. Angus McLellan (Talk) 15:43, 26 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:The Carpenters Television Specials to Category:The Carpenters television specials or Category:The Carpenters

We need to either fix the capitalization or merge the whole cat to its (brand new) parent. The Carpenters apparently recorded 5 one-off specials [1], but we currently only have an article about one of them. The cat's other member is a weekly program that really doesn't fall within the cat's scope. ×Meegs 07:48, 19 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Lists of unsolved problems

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The result of the debate was keep Tim! 19:27, 1 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Lists of unsolved problems to Category:Unsolved problems
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Category:Funding bodies of Australia

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The result of the debate was keep. the wub "?!" 22:10, 1 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:Funding bodies of Australia to Category:Research funding bodies of Australia
Nominator's Rationale: Rename, ambiguity again.Peta 05:18, 19 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Funding bodies

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The result of the debate was keep. the wub "?!" 22:08, 1 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:Funding bodies to Category:Research funding bodies
Nominator's Rationale: Rename, to clear up any ambiguity about what these bodies are funding. Should make a private/public split easier too when/if it becomes necessary. Peta 05:16, 19 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  1. Nature Heritage Fund has been set up for the purchase of land in New Zealand which has significant ecological or landscape features.
  2. Oxford University Dramatic Society funds drama.
No problem with a sub cat for research.--Golden Wattle talk 22:09, 22 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:IP talk pages for speedy deletion

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The result of the debate was keep. Angus McLellan (Talk) 15:45, 26 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:IP talk pages for speedy deletion (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Delete. Created in March 2006 to implement a proposed criterion for speedy deletion that was rejected. Hesperian 03:48, 19 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:The Cars' solo albums

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The result of the debate was reorganise and delete. Mike Selinker and Meegs appear to have reached agreement, so I will ping Meegs per his nomination. --RobertGtalk 10:42, 27 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:The Cars' solo albums (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

This is a category holding albums released by any of the members of the band The Cars. The convention of Category:Albums by artist is to have a category for each artist (we already have Category:Ric Ocasek albums), and I can not find any other categories of this kind. The cat might be slightly useful, but I do not like the precedent. I think it is probably best to split its contents in four and delete. The four targets could be linked from the band's album cat, if needed. If there's consensus for the split, the closer can ping me and I'll do the work. ×Meegs 06:05, 19 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Could you clarify? Where do you want the other members' solo albums? ×Meegs 10:10, 21 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I really disagree with the last part of both of your suggestions. "The Cars albums" is a well-deifned set, and an Ocasek album is not a Cars album, so it's not logically correct to put one anywhere within category:The Cars albums. That is why I suggest only a "see also"-type link between the cats, if anything. Another alternative that wouldn't bother as much is to put Ocasek albums inside Category:The Cars, whose membership is not well defined and pretty much can contain any topics relevant to the band. ×Meegs 10:07, 21 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I think I might not have been clear. Take a look at Category:The Rolling Stones albums. It also contains Category:Mick Jagger albums and others. So in this case, take Category:Ric Ocasek albums, make similar categories for Hawkes, Orr, and Easton, put them under Category:The Cars albums, and delete the solo albums category. That would be my suggestion, anyway.--Mike Selinker 16:04, 21 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, and I think the Rolling Stones cat is very wrong too, and I propose changing it. Incidentally, I just realized that I undid one of your edits of this type a few days ago [2]. I think, with the exception of encyclopedia-topic-grouping-cats that we must have, we should always try our hardest to treat categories as proper sets. Part of doing that is keeping in mind that set membership is transitive. While putting something like "Keith Richards albums" within "Rolling Stones albums" may only seem like a small inaccuracy, the effect can be compounded and lead to much larger problems when there are many levels of categorization below it. ×Meegs 20:13, 21 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
That seems well-thought through. OK, let's disentangle all of these.--Mike Selinker 21:32, 21 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Jake E. Lee solo albums

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The result of the debate was rename all: for Sammy Hagar that means merge both Category:Sammy Hagar solo albums and Category:Sammy Hagar and The Waboritas albums into Category:Sammy Hagar albums. --RobertGtalk 11:05, 27 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Rename to Category:Jake E. Lee albums, convention of Category:Albums by artist. -- Prove It (talk) 01:20, 19 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The last is not quite as straightforward, as the target is currently only a container for Category:Sammy Hagar solo albums and Category:Sammy Hagar and The Waboritas albums. The proposed merger will populate the parent cat with albums released solely under the name "Sammy Hagar", per this convention, and leave the Waboritas cat as both a sibling (in Category:Albums by artist) and child. ×Meegs 05:35, 19 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Feudal Japan video games

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The result of the debate was rename. --RobertGtalk 10:06, 26 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:Feudal Japan video games to Category:Video games set in Feudal Japan
Nominator's Rationale: Perhaps I'm reading this too literally, but there were no video games produced by or in Feudal Japan (e.g., compare to Category:Capcom games or Category:2006 video games). Rename to Category:Video games set in Fuedal Japan. Stratadrake 01:13, 19 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Television in the 2000's

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The result of the debate was delete. --RobertGtalk 10:03, 26 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Television in the 2000's (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Lame category - are we documenting every TV show from the years 2000-2099? 2000-2999? The description makes no sense. If not deleted, renamed to Category:Television in the 2000s to follow style conventions. — RevRagnarok Talk Contrib 01:03, 19 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep and rename per style conventions. Show me a TV show that was produced in the year 2010, 2100, or 3000 and then we can discuss what the logical upper bounds on this category should be. :) --Stratadrake 01:31, 19 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - this has the ability to become an absolutely trivial category. And that wasn't my question. The description is Television shows that premiered in the 2000th Generation. and I am asking what does "the 2000s" mean - is it like "the 1990s" and there would be a "the 2010s"? — RevRagnarok Talk Contrib 01:46, 19 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Indian bands

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The result of the debate was merge, ((category redirect)). --RobertGtalk 10:05, 26 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Merge into Category:Indian musical groups, as duplicate. -- Prove it (talk) 00:32, 19 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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