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January 19

MCC

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The result of the discussion was: rename. Kbdank71 15:20, 26 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Propose renaming Category:Presidents of the MCC to Category:Presidents of the Marylebone Cricket Club
Propose renaming Category:Secretaries of the MCC to Category:Secretaries of the Marylebone Cricket Club
Nominator's rationale: Rename. Expand abbreviation; MCC is ambiguous. Other MCCs have presidents and/or secretaries. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:35, 19 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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Category:Presidents of the ICC

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The result of the discussion was: rename. Kbdank71 15:19, 26 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Propose renaming Category:Presidents of the ICC to Category:Presidents of the International Cricket Council
Nominator's rationale: Rename. Expand abbreviation; ICC is quite ambiguous, and some of the other ICCs have presidents. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:25, 19 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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Category:Disturbances of pigmentation

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The result of the discussion was: rename. Kbdank71 17:37, 26 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Propose renaming Category:Disturbances of pigmentation to Category:Disturbances of human pigmentation
Nominator's rationale: Rename. I started the WP:DERM taskforce, and have been working to categorize dermatology articles in an organized fashion. The proposed categorization scheme is specifically at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Medicine/Dermatology_task_force/Categorization, which was developed from discussions at the main wikipedia medicine page (see that link for more details). As per that scheme, the "Disturbances of pigmentation" category should probably be renamed to "Disturbances of human pigmentation" as the scope of the category is limited to conditions affecting the pigmentation of human skin (see List_of_skin-related_conditions#Disturbances_of_human_pigmentation for a listing of all the conditions considered part of this category). Without the word "human," the scope of the category is broader than intended. kilbad (talk) 21:50, 19 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Please assure us that it's not contagious... or at least put some fresh bandages on and try not to scratch too much. Cgingold (talk) 23:34, 19 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • I initially created this category for dermatology related articles. However, I have since suggested this rename after I found a few articles about different albino animals within the category (which would not be an improper categorization as it is now named). Therefore, I think a rename to Category:Disturbances of human pigmentation is appropriate given the desired scope of the category. With regard to other sub-cats of Category:Diseases and disorders, if any of them are named such that articles are being included which the category was not created for (due to poor naming, as this one is an example), I think considering a renaming would be appropriate. I think taking each category on a case by case basis is the best way to approach it. kilbad (talk) 01:39, 20 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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Category:Prix Goncourt winners

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus. Kbdank71 17:38, 26 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Propose renaming Category:Prix Goncourt winners to Category:Prix Goncourt laureates
Nominator's rationale: Rename. correct nomenclature. emerson7 21:31, 19 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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Category:Madoff fraud

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The result of the discussion was: Delete - The article and list would seem to be preferable at this time. - jc37 09:48, 27 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Category:Madoff fraud (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Delete A catgory named "Madoff fraud," prior to any ajudication of the case against Madoff, violates out WP:NPOV, WP:BLP and WP:V policies. At a minimum the category needs to be renamed. Notified creator with ((subst:cfd-notify)) UnitedStatesian (talk) 21:18, 19 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Comment The category serves a useful purpose in grouping articles about this specific fraud. What is taking place now is the identification of the victims and more disclosures and articles will come later. This is the largest fraud in history. Certainly the losses of millions, bankruptcies, and suicides related to the Madoff fraud suggest the the utility threshold for a category has already been reached. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Patsw (talk • contribs) 22:15, January 19, 2009
It may well warrant a category in the future, but at present I honestly think it would be better served with a navbox template. Cgingold (talk) 22:24, 19 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I would think that a category would come first and then establish if the articles included in the category merit the added structure of a navbox. patsw (talk) 03:56, 20 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Cetrainly Category:Alleged Madoff fraud would be superior at this point in the legal process. However the other issues identified by the other comments are not addressed by a renaming. UnitedStatesian (talk) 01:59, 20 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Adding alleged is fine by me if that's a consensus. Of course, the fund has already been declared fraudulent and shut down, Madoff's personal criminal liability in it has yet to be determined. That is a consequence of the fact that the fund bears his name. I offer Category:Madoff fund fraud as another name. patsw (talk) 03:53, 20 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Scandal is a better name than fraud, but ultimately it will be a dumping ground for all famous people who invested with Madoff as each is tittlatingly reported in the press to feed the public's shadenfreude. Victims, victors, bystanders, alike will be categoried here: it's either defining or not, and if we as a community decide that it's a keeper then it must be defining for all, just like some of the sports team categories that get tagged on guys who play only a few games with the team - probably not defining for the career but included for completeness and cross-reference, so expect to see the celeb's in here as each is reported to be involved somehow. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 18:37, 23 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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Category:Cancer deaths in Hawaii

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The result of the discussion was: No consensus to delete. Though it does look like a consensus to do a group nom for listification/deletion, if that is wanted. - jc37 07:50, 26 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Category:Cancer deaths in Hawaii (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Delete In modern American society, since many other causes of death have been controlled, about 10% or so of all people die of cancer. There is nothing remarkable about living in the state of Hawaii and dying of cancer. Nor is it related to the person's notability, since that would happen before the person died and qualified for this category. Borock (talk) 20:07, 19 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I would agree with that being a worthwhile category if the articles were about the deaths, not the people who died. Borock (talk) 20:19, 19 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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Category:Spanish-speaking Filipinos

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 07:25, 25 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Category:Spanish-speaking Filipinos (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Delete overcategorization Number1spygirl (talk) 13:47, 19 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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Category:Local governance in India

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The result of the discussion was: delete, empty. Kbdank71 15:17, 26 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Category:Local governance in India (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Delete Newly-created unnecessary duplication of established category Category:Local government in India. Currently only contains one stub article, category was created by editor of that article, and I've put it into the established category. PamD (talk) 12:47, 19 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Comment :- As creator of the category, I agree for outright deletion. The category was created due to my unfamiliarity with the nuances of categorization.
But it seems that re-naming the category Local government in India as Local governance in India would be more meaningful. See that the title of one major article is Municipal governance in India. Other facet of the subject is Rural local governance in India(it is reffered to as Panchayat raj) and both constitute Local governance in India.The subject Local governance is broader than Local governments. Similarly, another category which I had originated as a possible sub-sect of this category is Local Governance in Kerala.(Kindly replace the capital letter G with small letter in the category, if possible). Rajankila (talk) 05:28, 20 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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Category:Nymphomaniacs

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The result of the discussion was: Delete (I wonder if there are those out there who bemoan that this currently isn't an "all-inclusive" category, regardless of where the lines are drawn in definition : ) - jc37 07:46, 26 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Category:Nymphomaniacs (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Delete. Is this really a category? This easily rivals "Pedophiles" as the least appropriate category I have ever seen. To label anyone a "nymphomaniac" is subjective and POV, even if done in the clinical sense. As the main article Hypersexuality says: "Hypersexuality is the desire to engage in human sexual behavior at a level high enough to be considered clinically significant. There is no universal definition of what is considered hypersexual, yet several investigators agree that this condition with sexual overdrive is a cause for concern" (emphasis added). Since there is no set definition that we can adopt to determine that the desire is "clinically significant", we can't categorize people using any standard, since the choice of standard would be POV. And even if there was a standard we chose to use, how do we measure "desire to engage in human sexual behavior" anyway? Right now the only person included in this category is the Ancient Roman Valeria Messalina, who had a reputation for having sex at Roman orgies (gee, sex at orgies—what a surprise). Legends of Catherine II of Russia is also included, no doubt for the whole "died with a horse story", which is untrue, so there it's essentially categorizing an urban legend by the type of rumor. Bad, bad, bad. Good Ol’factory (talk) 09:16, 19 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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Category:United States Virgin Islands American football players

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The result of the discussion was: rename. Kbdank71 15:17, 26 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Propose renaming Category:United States Virgin Islands American football players to Category:United States Virgin Islands players of American football
Nominator's rationale: Rename. Like the Puerto Rican nomination below, I've separated this one from the "by-state" nominations below. I propose that this one be named to conform with the "by-nationality" categories of Category:Players of American football by nationality, which use "Fooian players of American football". The alternative would be Category:Players of American football from the United States Virgin Islands, but in other categories USVI is treated as a nationality distinct from "American" (or at least as a type of "sub-nationality" within American). Ultimately, I'm fine with either approach). Good Ol’factory (talk) 08:20, 19 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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Category:Puerto Rican American football players

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The result of the discussion was: rename. Kbdank71 15:16, 26 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Propose renaming Category:Puerto Rican American football players to Category:Puerto Rican players of American football
Nominator's rationale: Rename. I've separated this one from the "by-state" nominations immediately below. I propose that this one be named to conform with the "by-nationality" categories of Category:Players of American football by nationality, which use "Fooian players of American football". The alternative would be Category:Players of American football from Puerto Rico, but in other categories Puerto Rican is treated as a nationality distinct from "American" (or at least as a type of "sub-nationality" within American). Ultimately, I'm fine with either approach. Good Ol’factory (talk) 08:12, 19 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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American players of American football by state

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The result of the discussion was: rename. Kbdank71 15:14, 26 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Propose renaming (see drop down box):
Nominator's rationale: Rename. The parent category is Category:American players of American football. In this name, the first "American" refers to nationality; the second "American" is part of the name of the sport called "American football". It follows that the "by-state" container category name should be patterned after this (proposed above). The individual state categories, as they stand now, use "American football" ambiguously—it's a bit unclear whether it's referring to "football players from STATE who are American" or "players of American football from STATE". The latter is correct, of course, so we may as well name the categories in this way to eliminate the ambiguity that can result from mixed-up usages of "American", "football" and "American football". Good Ol’factory (talk) 07:49, 19 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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Category:Kittitian and Nevisian players of American football

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The result of the discussion was: rename. Kbdank71 15:15, 26 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Propose renaming Category:Kittitian and Nevisian players of American football to Category:Saint Kitts and Nevis players of American football
Nominator's rationale: Rename. Use country as adjective per everything else in Category:Saint Kitts and Nevis people. "Kittitian and Nevisian" is awkward and was abandoned in category names some time ago. Good Ol’factory (talk) 06:44, 19 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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Category:Lists of Papal conclave, 2005

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The result of the discussion was: upmerge. Kbdank71 17:39, 26 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Category:Lists of Papal conclave, 2005 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

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Category:Husch Blackwell Sanders famous lawyers and alumni

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 07:24, 25 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Category:Husch Blackwell Sanders famous lawyers and alumni (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

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Category:Delegates to the United States House of Representatives from Missouri

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The result of the discussion was: Rename Category:Delegates to the United States House of Representatives from Missouri to Category:Delegates to the United States House of Representatives from Missouri Territory - No prejudice against a subsequent/immediate group nom to suggest adding "the" to them all. - jc37 07:55, 26 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Propose renaming Category:Delegates to the United States House of Representatives from Missouri to Category:Delegates to the United States House of Representatives from Missouri Territory
Nominator's rationale: Rename. Add "…Territory" to the end. Consistency with other territorial delegatations. See Category:Delegates to the United States House of Representatives . —Markles 00:10, 19 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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Category:African American repatriates

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 07:22, 25 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Reason: Repatriates? Who is to choose where the Black man should live? I suggest renaming this category to Category:Liberated slaves. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.104.4.45 (talk) 18:56, 19 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Don't worry, we have Category:People of Liberated African descent, Category:Repatriated ex-slaves, Category:Repatriated slaves of African American descent, and more .... Johnbod (talk) 02:49, 20 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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