Submit a broader nomination to cover the main article title and the whole tree I've just had a look at the contents Category:Association football in Australia and frankly the tree is all over the place. The immediate sub-categories generally use "association football" (except for Category:Expatriate football managers in Australia), but below that it dissolves into a mess with many sub-categories using either "football (soccer)" or "association football" and some using "football" on its own. The best is Category:Australia national association football team which has all three in it - Category:Australia national association football team managers, Category:Australia international football (soccer) players and Category:Australia national football team seasons. The one term that doesn't seem to be used anywhere in the tree is "soccer" by itself (apart from categories namechecking the National Soccer League).Introducing a fourth term into the category tree is probably only going to make things worse and I don't think a discussion on just three low level categories is really the place to (re)set convetion. The starting point really needs to be the article Association football in Australia - it was moved there some years ago but without discussion specific to the article at the time. A proper Requested Move discussion on that article, with a bundling of the top level category, would help get some direction on this. Timrollpickering (talk) 01:41, 5 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Introducing the term soccer would bring this encyclopaedia closer to reporting reality, rather than some politically correct but inaccurate compromise. HiLo48 (talk) 05:04, 5 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Perhaps, but it would leave unresolved the larger issue of what to do with the rest of the category tree. Whatever happens in this discussion will affect only a very small percentage of Australia-related soccer/football pages. The comments in this CfD suggest that a wider discussion is needed, preferably sooner rather than later. -- Black Falcon (talk) 03:44, 6 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Agreed. This outside nomination - which I should note was made entirely in good faith by the nominator in line with normal category naming processes, but without knowledge of the local circumstances - has kind of exposed what is actually rather a mess and needs to be fixed. I'm in agreement with HiLo that the final result should probably be all Australian-centred articles and categories at "soccer". Orderinchaos 06:13, 5 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Thank you. I was aware that there had been disputes about the naming of the main article but assumed (incorrectly), based on what I perceived to be the stability of the current title (Association football in Australia since early 2008), that the issue was settled. I am prepared to take care of changes to "soccer" in the titles of Australia-related categories if a consensus to rename forms at Talk:Association football in Australia; it would be better, however, if the requested move was initiated by someone who actually supported it rather than as a procedural nomination. -- Black Falcon (talk) 03:44, 6 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]