Does the lack of a "former member" category work fine for every other aspect of BLPs? Or is this just something based ultimately on the fact that it is the status quo? Don't you consider an ideological change to be somewhat more significant in a BLP than a change of occupation? We have, for example, Category:Converts to Islam from Protestantism (a subcat of Category:Former Protestants) as well as Category:Muslims and Category:Protestants. Should the members of the first actually be shown as members of the latter two? We're in the realms of WP:OSE, of course.
What is so difficult about Cat:Politicians of India (not Indian politicians, which invites WP:OR nonsense) having a subcat, Category:Politicians who have changed allegiance and Category:Politicians by last known allegiance ? Or Category:Bharatiya Janata Party having subcats Cat:People presently affiliated with and Cat:People formerly affiliated with? - Sitush (talk) 05:32, 19 December 2013 (UTC)
General comments about the cat project
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Does anyone really care whether cats would be more difficult to maintain? They're already as near as dammit impossible to maintain anyway - if people really believe that we have anything approaching a practical, working taxonomy then I must be living in some alternate universe. Categorisation on WP is a joke and to make it work well would probably mean decategorising everything, removing the WP:BOLD principle and insisting that everything is discussed from the top down before recatting. Start by categorising everything under, say, Category:Animate, Category:Inanimate, and (since even those may cause problems) Category:Unresolved, then work down from there. Any way that it is done, there are going to be either overcats or a lack of a useful drilldown facility. Where are our golden rules for taxonomy written down? How can people be sure of these things before being bold? Since it is such an anarchic system (oxymoron alert), why not just keep on assigning cats that are appropriate even though they do not fit into the already-broken model? I know that there is no deadline but the sooner those regularly involved with cats realise that this arcane side-project is pretty much useless in its current form for things other than maintenance, the better. We need either to get to grips with this so-called system once and for all or we should just accept WP:IAR because far too many far too useful contributors (and me <g>) are being diverted by the shenanigans that happen here. - Sitush (talk) 05:32, 19 December 2013 (UTC) |
Copy of speedy nomination and discussion
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