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Category:Style guideline templates

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The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Wikipedia style templates. – Fayenatic London 08:17, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Propose renaming Category:Style guideline templates to Category:Style templates
Nominator's rationale: Incorrect name that does not describe the contents (the actual style guideline-related templates are in Category:Wikipedia Manual of Style templates; these are just random style-related templates. We really need a speedy C2F for this sort of thing.  — SMcCandlish ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ʌ≼  23:10, 16 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Private armies

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus. The category's function seems to have been improved during the discussion. – Fayenatic London 08:20, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: delete per WP:OVERLAPCAT. This cat is duplicitous as its subject area is handled already by Category:Militias, Category:Rebel groups by country, Category:Irregular military, Category:Mercenaries. The cat is also severely underpopulated as it only have four articles, beside the main article, and one of these is a redirect to a biographical page.--Bellerophon5685 (talk) 20:29, 16 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Depopulated places in the Land of Israel

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The result of the discussion was: merge and rename. – Fayenatic London 08:23, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: merge, the two categories seem to have the same objective. I would actually also recommend to add "(region)" to the target category, for disambiguation, as it concerns the historical region Palestine and not the State of Palestine, and C2C to its parents. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:56, 16 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I've added a Cfr template in the target category for renaming. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:51, 17 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Southern Levant

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Levant, except for articles/subcategories that are already located elsewhere within that hierarchy. Although this discussion shows mixed opinions, there is a degree of consensus that this category is overpopulated at present and overlaps too much with related categories. Those who preferred to keep it have not addressed that problem, which is the core of the nominator's rationale. Since "Southern Levant" is used in academia (apparently for political neutrality), then rather than delete or redirect the category page I will make it a disambiguation page between Category:Levant, Category:History of the Levant, Category:Land of Israel and Category:Palestine (region). As for the metallurgy article, I will move this to Category:Levant since it is about prehistory, not the Ancient period. – Fayenatic London 21:31, 22 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: delete per WP:OVERLAPCAT. While the header says the category should not overlap with other related categories, in practice it does overlap very clearly. All of the articles except the eponymous article belong in (and usually already are in) a more specific category. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:28, 16 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
That seems reasonable. Oncenawhile (talk) 11:07, 17 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Not every article needs to have its own category. In this case I think there is simply too little content about the topic on its own. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:13, 17 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Just check the list of articles:
Articles to be purged
Hope this is convincing enough. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:51, 19 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Opinion added after this CFD was originally closed

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Category:Military education and training facilities in Serbia

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The result of the discussion was: upmerge. Marcocapelle (talk) 23:17, 24 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Rather redundant extra-level of categorization with sparse content and not part of any larger categorization scheme. PanchoS (talk) 19:26, 16 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Military schools in Poland

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The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Military education and training in Poland. Marcocapelle (talk) 23:27, 24 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Almost empty and redundant. Single subcategory Category:Military academies of Poland already lives in Category:Military education and training in Poland. No prejudice against recreation once there is more content. --PanchoS (talk) 19:07, 16 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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International swimming competitions hosted by the Netherlands

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The result of the discussion was: rename. – Fayenatic London 21:00, 21 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: The renamed category will include diving and aquatics competitions, and will be part of a series by country, see Category:International aquatics competitions by host . The present category appears to be unique to the Netherlands. Hugo999 (talk) 11:44, 16 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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PATH stations

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus. – Fayenatic London 21:05, 21 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Some opposed speedies (see copied discussion below). I initially nominated these so that the names would match PATH (rail system). A user opposed these changes as unnecessary disambiguation, and he has a point. The head category has since been renamed Category:PATH (rail system). This reminds me of the issues surrounding unnecessary disambiguation on the subcategories of Category:Georgia (country) and Category:Georgia (U.S. state). My understanding is that the usual practice for categories is that we keep the disambiguator on all subcategories of a disambiguated head category, even if it's probably unneeded for clarity. See, eg, this discussion, which I remember closing because the consensus was so strong in this direction, and that somewhat surprised me. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:32, 16 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
copy of speedy discussion

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Category:Fictional psychopaths

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The result of the discussion was: delete. I note that the parent Category:Psychopathy in fiction currently includes some characters as well, which might need purging; the list Fictional portrayals of psychopaths would be the better place to collect verifiable instances. – Fayenatic London 21:21, 21 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Deleted at CfD in 2007, recreated very recently. Delete per 2007 result. Due to 9 years since CfD, it is probably inappropriate to invoke CSD G4. Safiel (talk) 03:18, 16 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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New Jersey Transit stations

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The result of the discussion was: rename, in the second case to Category:Proposed NJ Transit rail stations. – Fayenatic London 21:13, 21 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: I originally nominated these in the speedy section to match the category names to NJ Transit/Category:NJ Transit. However, a user commented (see copied discussion) that the new category name should contain "rail" or "train", since NJ Transit also has bus stations, and they are not included in this category. I think that this is a good point. I propose we either (1) rename to Category:NJ Transit rail stations or Category:NJ Transit train stations; or (2) rename as originally proposed, and adding the articles about the bus stations to the category. I have also included the "proposed" category in this discussion so it can match whatever is decided. (If (1) is selected, I have no preference of "rail" vs. "train", though it is NJ Transit Rail Operations.) Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:16, 16 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
copy of speedy discussion

Use of NJ Transit (as opposed to New Jersey Transit) is not at issue.

Catgeory:NJ Transit stations could have:
Category:NJ Transit rail stations (which would include Category:NJ Transit train stations and Category:NJ Transit light rail stations) & Category:NJ Transit bus stations
The renaming of the this category should only include the creation of a cat name which reflects what is contained within it. If there's going be a change, should be the right change, which at this stage is Category:NJ Transit rail stations Djflem (talk) 09:00, 23 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The use of "NJ Transit" vs "New Jersey Transit" is at issue—changing it to "NJ Transit" it is the primary purpose of this nomination. I suspect that what you might mean is that you are not concerned with that part of the nomination; ie, that you do not oppose making that change. Good Ol’factory (talk) 09:17, 23 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
As above, if there's going be a change, should be the right change, which at this stage is Category:NJ Transit rail stations Djflem (talk) 19:37, 23 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
That's one option. See also my other suggestion, which would be to add any NJ Transit bus stations to the category. Would you prefer not to add the bus stations to the category for some reason? (I ask since other users above have supported doing that.) Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:00, 23 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
If so, eventually the category Category:NJ Transit train stations will need to be created and manually added to all the train stations included in the current cat. Any volunteers? Have started Category:NJ Transit bus stations.Djflem (talk) 08:08, 24 March 2016 (UTC) to which the current Category:New Jersey Transit stations has subsequently been added.Djflem (talk) 09:46, 27 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The statewide transportation agency New Jersey Transit (NJT) operates railroad, light rail, and bus service, yet the fact is that the Category:New Jersey Transit stations was almost and now is exclusively populated with NJT railroad stations. So the suggestions of a name change that takes into account what is contained in the category was extremely appropriate or is what the category holds irrelevant to its name? That was the question, still unanswered, but null at this point. To properly categorize the NJT stations a different hierarchy needs to be applied than any examples offered here as to how rail service providers cats are organized, possibly:

Category:New Jersey Transit stations or Category:NJ Transit stations should be only a container category that should include:

As mentioned, if you gonna do it do it right. So the question was what should the single listings (not categories) currently contained in Catgeory:New Jersey Transit stations be called and are their any volunteers to manually make the change to the items in it? Incidentally, Wikipedia's Bus station and bus stop explain a difference. While some NJT train stations service as NJT bus stations/terminals most do not & more often include bus stops.Djflem (talk) 13:41, 30 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

"if you gonna do it do it right". Yes, but sometimes it's helpful to do things in a step-wise process, rather than trying to bite it all off in one go. This proposed first step was to get the naming corrected. After that, it would have been relatively simple for you to make the changes you desire. Mixing the processes together has created a bit of a confused mess, with the result that the final result is going to take a lot longer to achieve. Good Ol’factory (talk) 21:06, 30 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

To clarify, I did not populate or categorize Category:NJ Transit train stations, two editors to this discussion did (which seems messy) Regarding the proposal, there were things to clarify, such as the use of the words rail, railroad, or train, given NJT operations.

With them this will be the result:

"I did not populate or categorize Category:NJ Transit train stations". But you did create it. The distinction you draw between bus and rail stations is why I offered two alternatives for the renames. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:25, 1 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Djflem, no one is arguing with you or even opposing your suggestions for the stations hierarchy. I haven't seen any opposition at all to what you have raised. You're just complicating this seemingly simple CFD. What you have proposed makes sense, and can be done entirely separately from this CFD. The purpose of the original CFDS was simply to rename "New Jersey Transit" categories to "NJ Transit", to be congruent with the article NJ Transit. This CFD never should have been this complicated. If you think that the NJ Transit stations category requires a more detailed hierarchy, then go ahead and be bold: populate and categorize the bus/rail/train categories you already partially created. There probably should be a category for "Proposed NJ Transit stations", and if you want to make it a container category and further sub-categorize articles to "Proposed NJ Transit [bus|rail|train] stations", then go for it. --Scott Alter (talk) 05:40, 1 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

To be clear, creating Category:NJ Transit train stations did not cause a mess, populating with sub cats and categorizing it did. As is appropriate for a discussion of a name change, which is the ONLY discussion about how to properly address NJT stations, I have simply pointed out how both categories are flawed. I have responded within answered the narrow parameters on which you are focused (IMO to the detriment of the bigger picture). The first I support because the category name needs to be created (and then later fixed), and the 2nd I oppose because there is no need and none will arise to have Category:Proposed NJ Transit stations populated by only one subcat called Category:Proposed NJ Transit rail stations, Therefore suggest changing it to the latter directly. As mentioned the choice between the word rail is best since includes both proposed light rail and railroad stations, but no bus stations. Djflem (talk) 07:38, 1 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]


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Metro Rail (Los Angeles County)

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The result of the discussion was: self-withdrawal to await the results of the article rename discussion. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:04, 16 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Some opposed speedies (see discussion copied below). I propose renaming these categories to match the main article Metro Rail (Los Angeles County). That the proposed names are "awkward" is subjective. Category names are not prose, and I find having the article name different than the article name to be more awkward, which also is subjective. Given that we essentially have opposing subjective views, it makes sense to go with the standard procedure, which is matching the category name to the article name per C2D. If the article name is ever changed by consensus to Los Angeles County Metro Rail, then the categories could follow. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:42, 16 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
copy of speedy discussion
Oppose series — although clear for this parent category, it creates an awkward and unnecessary break in reading/comprehending child categories' names/foci. Regards — Look2See1 t a l k → 02:30, 16 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Pacific Electric

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus. – Fayenatic London 21:29, 21 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Opposed speedies (see discussion copied below). I propose renaming these categories to match the main article Pacific Electric. The articles in the category that require disambiguation also use "(Pacific Electric)" as the disambiguator, not "(Pacific Electric Railway)": eg, Watts (Pacific Electric). The fact that one user is confused into thinking that Pacific Electric is about a utilities company is not a very compelling reason to name the category differently from the article. (In any case, that's why categories can have the template Template:Cat main or Template:Cat more at the top, so users can quickly click on the link and find out what the topic is all about.) Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:16, 16 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
copy of speedy discussion
Oppose — confusing, reads like an electric utility company name instead of a public transit company name. Regards — Look2See1 t a l k → 00:57, 16 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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1 article Science Fiction Award by Country subcategories

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The result of the discussion was: upmerge. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:48, 31 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Propose Upmerging Category:Russian science fiction awards to all 3 parent categories
  • Propose Upmerging Category:Israeli science fiction awards to all 3 parent categories
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:NARROWCAT
I'm all for giving every country a category for awards and another for literature even though that results in a few small categories here and there. But here we're two layers further down and the vast majority of countries wouldn't have very many science fiction awards. (No objection to recreating either of these later though if they get up to around 5 articles.) - RevelationDirect (talk) 01:24, 16 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Note: Notified Piotrus as the only active category creator and this discussion has been included in WikiProject Science Fiction. – RevelationDirect (talk) 01:24, 16 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I would strongly caution against deleting the Russian category without input from Russian speakers. Category:Polish science fiction awards has three awards, and I would be very surprised if the Russian one would be smaller; the problem is more likely that nobody bothered stubbing them. Have you notified WP:RUSSIA? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:54, 16 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Presumably the goal would be to get an editor to say there are other potential articles? If and when those are actually created, I'm all for recreating the category. RevelationDirect (talk) 01:19, 17 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I am not an expert at all, but I see on the Russian Wikipedia at least six categories (and more articles) related to Russian science fiction awards (no dedicated category though wich can be linked to the above category). Superficially, they seem to be notable by our standards; whether anybody would be up to actually creating the articles, I do not know.--Ymblanter (talk) 07:57, 18 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
If there is interest in expanding English Wikipedia's coverage on the Russian topic, I'd be happy to withdraw that one (partly because Sergey Lukyanenko is one my favorite writers). My point was that, as of today, it's not aiding navigation. RevelationDirect (talk) 14:15, 18 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Establishments in East Germany by century

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) SSTflyer 15:24, 25 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: There is only the 20th-century for establishments in East Germany (see Category:20th-century establishments in East Germany). For disestablishments, the 20th-century category directly merges into Category:Disestablishments in East Germany so the parallel can be done here. Ricky81682 (talk) 00:36, 16 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Added. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 20:44, 16 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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