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Category:Survivors of the 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic

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The result of the discussion was: speedy delete per WP:CSD#G4. ƏXPLICIT 04:01, 12 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: We've been through this already. WP:BLP issues galore. Elizium23 (talk) 23:57, 10 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • I haven't read any point that changed my opinion. Just a slight name change does not change the scope of the category. We do not categorize people by which diseases they have or had, unless it is the cause of death. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:22, 11 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Unless it is Hypertrichosis, HIV/AIDS, tuberculosis, epilepsy, polio, progeria, ... Elizium23 (talk) 08:27, 11 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
That is a fair point, so also unless it is something permanent (in those cases I wouldn't call it a disease, but technically it probably is). Marcocapelle (talk) 08:36, 11 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Calling it a slight name change is like saying there is no distinction between US Democrats who ran for House seats in 2018 and those who won. WP has the equivalent of those who lost (i.e. those who died of covid-19). Again, let's try to do it the standard way—if I understand WP policies sufficiently: tag it as CfD and have a proper discussion and not a Speedy Delete on the basis of a non-existent discussion. As for Marcocapelle's last point: interesting. Is this actually the case? Please do me a favour and cite it—if only FMI perhaps. If someone got HIV or polio, but breezed through it, would an article about thon be allowed in one of those cats as the injuries, if any, by one of those diseases, wasn't permanent? What about the opposite? What if someone got covid-19, and survived, but was terribly affected for life by it—even if it was only psychological? Also keep in mind, while this cat might not be terribly relevant in, say 2025, it is now. Things can change, so can WP cats. DMBFFF (talk) 01:38, 12 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Yeah, and my above post was to allay concerns that my cat(s) might be permanent even after they're become irrelevant. But if we shouldn't check the crystal ball for possible future irrelevance, hey, that possible concern is rendered moot by your links. Thanks for helping to buttress my case. As for verifiability, I presume info in the articles are sufficient enough to determine which cats they'd go into—e.g. we don't have to independently cite that Trump was born in 1946 to put him in the 1946 birth cat—the stated YoB in the article should suffice. DMBFFF (talk) 03:48, 12 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • and personally, I share your optimism. Indeed, I wonder if it's even 1%—for people in general—particularly all those children, teens, and early twenty-somethings who unlikely have a lot of WP articles about them. However, I think the for people with WP articles, the rate might be higher—particularly the ones who travel a lot and/or meet lots of people. DMBFFF (talk) 01:38, 12 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • @DMBFFF Even if currently wiki-notable people fall into groups with a higher risk of contagion and or of fatality, 90% survival doesn't make survival WP:DEFINING. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 02:54, 12 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
      • 90%: Good point. However, that's presuming they all get covid-19 and thus +90% of WP biographies go into my cat and possible subcats—that'd be to engage in crystalballing. (Personally, I'm not sure we should be calling it a "pandemic"—should cancer, stroke, and heart disease be called pandemics because the way I figure it, at least well over 50 000 from NY State have died of such so far this year.) I don't know about you, but I think if Boris Johnson survives his bout—and I think we can agree he probably will (and not much crystalball-gazing in that is necessary), it'd be decently relevant: hence my cat. I've glance at WP:DEF. It says if an actor has a law degree, it shouldn't be catted unless thon did something notable about it. Hmmm. Gary Numan was/is a pilot and it's not catted as such, whereas Caribou and Brian May have university references catted. We also have things like this: Category:People with color blindness: Fred Rogers, Rod Stewart, and Mark Zuckerberg. I know: [OTHER STUFF]. Gee, I'd love to give the pages everybody has linked for me a thoughtful good read, but since my "People with" cat was deleted not even 72 hours after it was tagged—maybe not 72 hours since it was created—I don't seem to have a lot of time. Ya gotta kill it before it does too much damage to WP's credibility (I think less than half sarcastically).   :-/   DMBFFF (talk) 03:48, 12 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Exhibitors in The Family of Man

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The result of the discussion was: delete. — JJMC89 (T·C) 07:09, 19 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Being included in this exhibition is not a defining trait of the photographers, per Wikipedia:Defining, and following the logic of WP:PERFCAT, we should not categorize them based upon involvement in capricious or arbitrary exhibitions, even major ones. Many if not all of these photographers have been part of many exhibitions, but the exhibitions are not an integral aspect of the artists' notability. --Animalparty! (talk) 21:55, 10 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I recognize you have put a lot of work into The Family of Man article, and created or expanded many of the biographies therein. 'Defining-ness' is largely based on the prominence of a trait in reliable third-party sources, not WIkipedia, in addition to Wikipedia-specific guidelines and conventions. But no matter how famous the exhibition may be, that alone does not determine appropriateness for a categorization scheme. Some information is best left in list format, as described at Wikipedia:Categories, lists, and navigation templates. The prominence of the topic does not determine defining-ness: we don't have the category "actors who were in Star Wars" for instance, despite Mark Hamill, Harrison Ford, and Carrie Fisher being universally associated with such. If we made allowances for one exhibition, others would surely follow, until the biographies of many prominent artists would be even more cluttered with categories of varying degrees of relevance. --Animalparty! (talk) 02:29, 11 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Some don't even mention it - example. DexDor (talk) 06:26, 12 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:The Angry Beavers

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The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 07:12, 18 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Contain only the main article and the list of episodes, except for CatDog, which also contains a redirect to main article. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 21:50, 10 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Cultivars originating in Dedham, Massachusetts

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The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 07:18, 18 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Propose merging Category:Cultivars originating in Dedham, Massachusetts to Category:Cultivars originating in the United States
Nominator's rationale: Small category (2 articles) for a small town. User:Namiba 19:39, 10 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:American politicians of Coptic descent

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The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 07:21, 18 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Small category (2 articles) for a small diaspora. User:Namiba 19:32, 10 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • comment One's a state rep and the other is an un-elected Trumpster. DMBFFF (talk) 05:54, 12 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm not sure if it's a blood or descent thing, as it is religious. I'm not for its removal, but neither am I'm passionately against it being removed. DMBFFF (talk) 02:03, 15 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Coptic-American diplomats

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The result of the discussion was: dual merge (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 07:23, 18 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Dual upmerge to Category:American diplomats. Small category (2 articles) for a small ethnic group. User:Namiba 19:31, 10 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • comment Seems our Trumpster is a diplomat—kinda. DMBFFF (talk) 05:59, 12 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Athletes from Dedham, Massachusetts

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The result of the discussion was: rename.– Fayenatic London 14:44, 25 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per standard naming conventions. User:Namiba 19:30, 10 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • comment and it's more inclusive, however decently filled the current cat is. DMBFFF (talk) 06:01, 12 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Scientists from Dedham, Massachusetts

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The result of the discussion was: dual merge (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 07:26, 18 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Dual upmerge to Category:People from Dedham, Massachusetts. Small category (3 articles) for a small town (under 25k residents) in Massachusetts. User:Namiba 19:20, 10 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Activists from Dedham, Massachusetts

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The result of the discussion was: dual merge (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 07:28, 18 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Dual upmerge to Category:People from Dedham, Massachusetts. Small category (3 articles) for a small town (under 25k residents) in Massachusetts. User:Namiba 19:20, 10 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:American people of Coptic descent by occupation

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The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 07:31, 18 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Small category (1 sub-category with 2 articles) on a very small ethnic group. User:Namiba 19:14, 10 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Animated television series about insects

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The result of the discussion was: keep for now but purge of non-WP:DEFINING entries. Some (e.g. the examples stated, SpongeBob or Wild Kratts) should be moved up to the top category rather than simply removed. By all means re-nominate categories for merging if they become too small. – Fayenatic London 13:41, 25 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
For the record, the nomination was invalid as regards half of the sub-categories because they were not tagged. – Fayenatic London 15:21, 25 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]


Nominator's rationale: I'm nominating this batch of hyper-specific categories created by User:Son of Zorn and their various sockpuppets. The categories are being added to inappropriate articles (i.e. articles about shows that have a character that is an insect, dog, rabbit, etc. but are not *about* that character). If we take the category off of those articles, there is not much to populate the category. These categories also lead to overcategorization to the point where it even dwarfs the content of the article. ... discospinster talk 18:34, 10 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Animated television series about animals

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Category:Women in cannabis

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The result of the discussion was: delete. – Fayenatic London 10:30, 25 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Propose renaming Category:Women in cannabis to Category:Women in the cannabis industry
Nominator's rationale: Avoiding awkward meaning, as if they were inside the cannabis and per cannabis industry. I've renamed the head article accordingly. Brandmeistertalk 18:31, 10 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
That would probably be OK. Let's see what anyone else's comment says. There's no rush. ☆ Bri (talk) 21:35, 10 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • The latter should be a redirect to the former. DMBFFF (talk) 02:12, 15 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Canadian children's animated space adventure television series

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The result of the discussion was: no action. This may be re-nominated for merger to multiple targets, along with relevant siblings. – Fayenatic London 10:17, 25 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary hyper-specific category. ... discospinster talk 18:28, 10 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Black (human racial classification)

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The result of the discussion was: keep. bibliomaniac15 18:06, 24 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per main article Black people and some subcategories. Speedy rename opposed twice in 2019. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 13:34, 10 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Gender verification in sports

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The result of the discussion was: rename. bibliomaniac15 18:09, 24 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: rename, seems like a case of WP:C2D, per Sex verification in sports, but possibly too controversial to list at CFDS. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:24, 10 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:American models of Singaporean descent

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The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 07:36, 18 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: No need to merge to Category:American models of Asian descent as both articles are already in the appropriate sub-category. This is a small category (2 articles) that is unlikely to grow. User:Namiba 12:50, 10 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:American poets of Tibetan descent

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The result of the discussion was: dual merge (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 07:39, 18 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Possible dual upmerge to Category:American poets of Asian descent as well. Small, triple intersection category (1 article). There are no other articles in Category:American writers of Tibetan descent so that is nominated as well. User:Namiba 12:34, 10 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:American poets of Malaysian descent

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The result of the discussion was: dual merge (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 07:41, 18 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Possible dual upmerge to Category:American poets of Asian descent as well. Small, triple intersection category (2 articles). There are no articles in Category:American writers of Malaysian descent. User:Namiba 12:32, 10 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:American poets of Taiwanese descent

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The result of the discussion was: dual merge (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 07:44, 18 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Possible dual upmerge to Category:American poets of Chinese descent if deemed appropriate. This is a small category which is a triple intersection. User:Namiba 12:29, 10 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:The Corporate Ministry members

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The result of the discussion was: delete. — JJMC89 (T·C) 07:12, 19 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:NONDEF, this was a short-term group in professional wrestling without a lasting impact. User:Namiba 12:19, 10 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:The Alliance (professional wrestling) members

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The result of the discussion was: delete. — JJMC89 (T·C) 07:12, 19 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: WP:NONDEF, this was a short-term group in professional wrestling. User:Namiba 12:18, 10 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Air War College alumni

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The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Air War College alumni. — JJMC89 (T·C) 07:13, 19 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Two categories for the same thing. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 06:51, 10 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Irish police procedural writers

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The result of the discussion was: merge. bibliomaniac15 18:13, 24 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Narrow category, with only 7 pages. There is no Category:Police procedural writers, and Category:Irish crime fiction writers is underpopulated so there is no need to create arbitrary groups to subcategorise it. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 01:40, 10 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I created this category to better classify detective / mystery / crime fiction writers, as at that time, there were just:
Parent: Irish crime fiction writers (2 direct member articles)
Child: Irish mystery fiction writers (7 or so articles)
and I agree, all were underpopulated, but also the structure was unbalanced - one child sub-area of detective fiction having its own little cat. And then more member pages were hunted down, and suddenly we have a parent with only 1 direct article, and two reasonably-populated sub-cats. There is an inconsistent global structure, as the overall categorisation does not reflect the multiple real-world divisions of crime / detective / mystery fiction - when I worked with literary agencies, it was broken into usually around 4 - Detective (with sub-cats: Cosy, Private Eye, Noir / Hard-boiled, etc.), Police procedural, Legal (largely courtroom, often with little mystery), Hybrid (Romantic, SF, etc., usually "sold" in the other parent area). Sometimes Historical would form a 5th option, more often it would be a sub-cat of the Detective cat., and then there was True Crime...
Anyway, I have no hard objection to a merge, but I think it would be a pity to lose specificity, and I am not sure why we would lose Police Procedural sub-cat but keep Mystery sub-cat.
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Category:Named phosphines

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The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 07:50, 18 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Propose Deleting Category:Named phosphines
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SHAREDNAME
This category groups phosphines together by whether they have a common name versus a chemical name. So, DuPhos is in this category but Dichloro(1,2-bis(diphenylphosphino)ethane)nickel is not even though they are both Diphosphines. How people name compounds does not seem defining to these chemical articles. All the contents of this category are under other phosphine subcategories so no merge is needed. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:44, 10 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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