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Category:Documentary films about electric cars

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: Upmerge Timrollpickering (Talk) 22:37, 18 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT WP:NARROWCAT --Vossanova o< 21:31, 25 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Wikipedia community sites

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The result of the discussion was: Delete Timrollpickering (Talk) 22:35, 18 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: The criteria for inclusion are non-defining, based on "prominence" and "frequency". From category page: This category is for pages that are highlighted most prominently to the general wikipedia community. And from talk page: This category is for specifically the resources and pages that are highlighted most frequently to the general wikipedia community .... All current content of the category is already in the trees of either Category:Wikipedia discussion and Category:Wikipedia help. —⁠andrybak (talk) 20:19, 25 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
WP:OWN. We only have one category system and if it tried to cover every editor's "pattern of mind" it'd be a right mess (e.g. taking more effort to administer and being less easy to use). DexDor (talk) 18:03, 29 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I would disagree. perhaps we do have one category system, but one way that it has evolved and grown is to encompass different approaches and options as referred to above. how do we have categoreies like Category: Wikipedia basic information, or Category: Wikipedia quick introductions, if not to accommodate and include differing approaches for similar topics?? --Sm8900 (talk) 02:28, 1 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
WP:OSE. After this many years of development we are at a stage where new approaches to categorization that are implemented by one editor without any prior discussion with other editors and without careful design (as evidenced by the category loop you created) are generally adding complexity to the categorization scheme rather than making it more useable. DexDor (talk) 16:14, 1 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
okay, but may I also point out, our category system happens to include these categories, as well:
See also the categories Wikipedia basic information, Wikipedia help, Wikipedia editing aids, Wikipedia lists, Wikipedia essays about lists, and Wikipedia dos and don'ts
.so it seems to me like our category system already encompasses a variety of differing approaches, to similar or overlapping topics. --Sm8900 (talk) 02:55, 4 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
See my response at Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2020_January_25#Category:Wikipedia_help_overviews. DexDor (talk) 06:33, 4 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:New Zealand aviation record holders

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The result of the discussion was: speedy keep. Nomination withdrawn. (non-admin closure) J947 (c), at 00:29, 28 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Withdrawn. —swpbT • go beyond • bad idea 14:12, 27 February 2020 (UTC) Every other member of Category:Aviation record holders by nationality uses nationality, not nation, in its name. This is not a matter of "grammar" as the mover to the current title asserted; it's a matter of consistency, and people from New Zealand are universally known as New Zealanders. —swpbT • go beyond • bad idea 19:41, 25 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:French-language writers

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The result of the discussion was: Rescope, adding subcat, removing note and adding ((category diffuse)). CFD precedents for this include 2012 Aug 23 for Category:English-language songs, closed as "keep as container… [like] Category:English-language singers", and 2017 Sep 13 which deleted English-language albums. Both were closed despite WP:INVOLVED, the first one by me but against my own !vote. In that close I gave weight to Richhoncho's comment that Category:English-language singers, which is specifically for non-native English speakers would be good place to look for a good example of WP:COMMONSENSE, and modelled the close on that category. In other words, I added see-also links to the nationality categories where the language is a primary language (exact criteria were not specified), rather than a parent–subcat link.[1] However, Category:English-language novels was also mentioned as another model for consideration: it holds, for example, Category:Indian English-language novels alongside Category:Irish novels, and it seems to work just fine. That is the approach with most support in this discussion. I will start a fresh discussion to reconsider the English-language works hierarchy. – Fayenatic London 20:07, 11 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: I am raising this for discussion due to a conflict between the category's stated intentions and its actual contents: the category page explicitly contains a usage note which reads "Since the vast majority of French authors write in the French language, they should not be placed here. Only authors of nationalities other than French should be placed in this category", but in actual practice the category does contain a considerable (but far from comprehensive) number of authors from France. Accordingly, we need to discuss what should be done: do we want to maintain that restriction and purge the category of French writers, or do we want to erase the usage note and permit it to include French writers on the grounds that we want it to be a completist category for all French language writers regardless of nationality? And if consensus favours the latter, then do we want to directly add this category to all français de France writers, even though that would make the category unbrowsably large and almost impossible to maintain, or do we want to add Category:French writers as a subcategory of this and then purge the French writers from here anyway on duplicate categorization grounds, even though that would result in the occasional mislabelling of a few French writers who don't write in the French language and would still require regular maintenance for erroneous duplicate categorization? Bearcat (talk) 17:13, 25 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Agree, in fact I meant both in my previous comment: adding the subcategory and removing this paragraph complement each other. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:29, 25 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Honestly, I've always hated these language categories because a single user decided to impose a rule not only to this category tree, but to others occupation categories like Category:Singers by language and categories about works like Category:Albums by language. The influence was so much so, it led to the deletion of Category:English-language albums and its subcategories at its CFD, which was closed by an involved user – yet we still have Category:English-language works, including cousin Category:English-language songs. So my question is: how impactful would this closure be to category trees across the entire project? @Bearcat, Marcocapelle, DexDor, Peterkingiron, Rathfelder, Carlossuarez46, and Place Clichy: Thoughts? ƏXPLICIT 12:09, 22 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Musician-politicians

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The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 16:25, 15 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Overcategorization for a non-defining intersection of unrelated occupations. While we do have a couple of specific "occupation-politician" categories that have been permitted (actors, astronauts, diplomats and sportspeople) on the grounds that consensus deemed that combination (sometimes wrongly!) to be more notable than the norm, we also have an established consensus that we do not want a comprehensive scheme of intersecting "politician" with every occupation that two or more politicians might have held before getting into politics. To justify these, what would need to be shown is reliably sourced evidence that there's something significant and encyclopedically defining about the fact of having been a musician before or after being a politician -- such as evidence that musicians do the politician job in a different way than non-musicians do, or evidence that musicians have had a meaningfully defining impact on politics as a group -- but that hasn't been shown here at all. So to all available evidence, this is just "people who happen to have been both X and Y", with no evidence that X and Y have a meaningful relationship with each other, and we do not categorize people on that basis. Bearcat (talk) 16:54, 25 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Books about mental health

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The result of the discussion was: No consensus Timrollpickering (Talk) 22:38, 18 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: I'm not sure about this rename, but I wanted to raise a discussion about this category, because it seems to me that a rename would better fit the current articles collected in this category. We would probably need to reconsider subcategories as well. Daask (talk) 15:24, 25 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Hard drugs

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The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure). Marcocapelle (talk) 23:02, 5 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: The similar Category:Illegal drugs was deleted by CfD in 2013 as legality varies between countries, and hard/soft is a subjective distinction that doesn't make for a good categorisation. Also there's no corresponding articles, just a section in Drug harmfulness. Le Deluge (talk) 14:28, 25 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:6 Hours of Circuit of the Americas

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 March 14#Category:6 Hours of Circuit of the Americas

Category:Rubiaceae taxonomic synonyms

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The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 16:25, 15 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: There are no "taxonomic synonyms" categories for other plants. It is unclear what this category is for (as we categorize articles by characteristics of the subject, not by characteristics of the subject's name). Note: All the articles in the category are in Category:Historically recognized Rubiaceae genera. DexDor (talk) 12:30, 25 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The other category has now been renamed. DexDor (talk) 06:48, 28 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Ambassadors of the Maldives

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The result of the discussion was: rename and redirect. – Fayenatic London 20:29, 7 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Ambassadors of the Maldives to Malaysia should be changed to Category:High Commissioners of the Maldives to Malaysia, as the Maldives returned to being a Commonwealth republic on 1 February 2020. - (124.197.55.28 (talk) 19:33, 24 February 2020 (UTC))[reply]

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