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The result of the discussion was: Rename to Category:PC game user templates Timrollpickering (Talk) 17:00, 23 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Category:Computer game user templates to Category:Video game user templates

Nominator's rationale: Both are video games. Gonnym (talk) 13:06, 28 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Against computer games are for playing on a computer, and video games are for playing on a television. That is a big difference.Catfurball (talk) 15:48, 28 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- Please familiarize yourself with the subject. See 2019 in video games which includes PC, console and mobile; Wikipedia:Naming conventions (video games)#Disambiguation which says to use "(video game)" over "(computer game)"; Category:Video games which, as the category says This category is for topic related to all video games regardless of platform, such as games for computers, consoles, and cellphones. A computer game is just one type of video game and not how you described it, that would be "console" game (though to be even more precise, you can play any PC game on a TV). --Gonnym (talk) 18:49, 28 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment, as we do have Category:PC games we might rename the nominated category to Category:PC game user templates. But I am not opposed to the proposed merger either. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:39, 10 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Rename to Category:PC game user templates as that name (i) fits all the current contents and (ii) addresses the above objection by the category's creator Catfurball. – Fayenatic London 12:31, 15 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Rename the it to Category:PC game user templates and I won't have a fuss.Catfurball (talk) 19:57, 18 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Gonnym, do you support the rename proposed above? DexDor^(talk) 08:36, 29 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- Sure, if people think it's needed, then the new name is at least better defined. --Gonnym (talk) 08:38, 29 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: keep. (non-admin closure) b uidhe 04:32, 22 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:Illegal immigration to Asia to Category:Illegal immigration in Asia
Propose renaming Category:Immigration to Asia to Category:Immigration in Asia
Propose renaming Category:Illegal immigration to Europe to Category:Illegal immigration in Europe
Propose renaming Category:Immigration to Europe to Category:Immigration in Europe
Propose renaming Category:Illegal immigration to North America to Category:Illegal immigration in North America
Propose renaming Category:Immigration to North America to Category:Immigration in North America
Propose renaming Category:Illegal immigration to Oceania to Category:Illegal immigration in Oceania
Propose renaming Category:Immigration to Oceania to Category:Immigration in Oceania
Propose renaming Category:Immigration to South America to Category:Immigration in South America
Propose renaming Category:Immigration to Africa to Category:Immigration in Africa
Propose renaming Category:Illegal immigration to Africa to Category:Illegal immigration in Africa

Nominator's rationale: Misleading titles. Most immigration is inside the continents, not from outside. And it might be worth considering renaming all these continental categories "migration" rather than immigration. Rathfelder (talk) 08:00, 25 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose, I checked the European category and the larger amount of articles is about immigration to Europe. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:15, 25 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - as some immigration is from within and some from without the continent, the suggested rename solves nothing. Oculi (talk) 11:04, 25 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Europe is different from the other continents. But even in Europe most migration is within the continent. The articles are mostly about immigration into particular countries. And the categories have to encompass the large numbers of articles about individual immigrants. I think "in" includes migration from outside as well as within the continent. Rathfelder (talk) 12:05, 25 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support generally The content of Category:Illegal immigration to Europe is about that to UK, France, and Italy. In the case of Italy, it is mainly from Libya (an African country), but the others are between European countries. An alternative might be Category:Illegal immigration to European countries. I also looked at the North America category, which is about immigration to US and Mexico and some notorious incidents. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:21, 28 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Articles like European migrant crisis and Fortress Europe are clearly about immigration from other continents. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:32, 30 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose, most of the "country" subcategories are ""immigration to … " so should the "continent" subcategories be different? Hugo999 (talk) 03:20, 30 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Would it be more sensible to delete the Illegal immigration continent categories? Apart from Europe almost all the articles are concerned with individual countries, and there certainly aren't so many that they need subdividing. Rathfelder (talk) 21:07, 30 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

That could be done on a case-by-case base. For example, I would support deleting Category:Illegal immigration to Africa. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:59, 31 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Oppose in sense of Australia/Oceania, the issue is to JarrahTree 22:42, 9 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose The continents are destinations, not sources of illegal immigration. Dimadick (talk) 09:14, 10 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
There is a lot more migration within continents than between them. There are few articles in most of these categories. Rathfelder (talk) 22:56, 21 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: merge. MER-C 20:17, 14 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Category:Categories by branch to Category:Subfields by academic discipline

Nominator's rationale: merge, no clear distinction between these two categories in type of content. (By the way, purge Category:Military branches which is something completely different.) Marcocapelle (talk) 19:39, 24 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge, the category is currently a case of WP:SHAREDNAME. – Fayenatic London 16:10, 15 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: Rename Timrollpickering (Talk) 16:59, 23 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:United States Executive Cabinet members by presidential administration to Category:Members of the Cabinet of the United States by presidential administration
Propose renaming Category:United States Executive Cabinet members by presidential administration navigational boxes to Category:Members of the Cabinet of the United States navigational boxes

Nominator's rationale: rename as option A to align with parent Category:Members of the Cabinet of the United States. A different rename (option B) to Category:United States cabinet members by presidential administration was opposed for speedy renaming. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:29, 1 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:United States Executive Cabinet members by presidential administration to Category:United States cabinet members by presidential administration – C2C - Anomalous+0 (talk) 13:00, 6 January 2020 (UTC)[reply] Category:United States Executive Cabinet members by presidential administration navigational boxes to Category:United States cabinet members by presidential administration navigational boxes Oppose There is just one other category to used the proposed format (Category:United States cabinet members from Nebraska), so C2C doesn't apply. (The second is also a subcategory of Category:United States Executive Cabinet navigational boxes). Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 19:27, 7 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:United States Executive Cabinet members by presidential administration to Category:United States cabinet members by presidential administration – C2C - Anomalous+0 (talk) 13:00, 6 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- Category:United States Executive Cabinet members by presidential administration navigational boxes to Category:United States cabinet members by presidential administration navigational boxes
  Oppose There is just one other category to used the proposed format (Category:United States cabinet members from Nebraska), so C2C doesn't apply. (The second is also a subcategory of Category:United States Executive Cabinet navigational boxes). Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 19:27, 7 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Anomalous+0 and Armbrust: pinging contributors to CFDS discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:33, 1 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Rename per nom. Align with Category:Members of the Cabinet of the United States, Category:Cabinet of the United States, Cabinet of the United States. (None of the subcats mention 'Executive'.) Oculi (talk) 09:59, 1 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Neutral. Whatever is consistent is fine. By the way, I created the first actual subcategory for cabinet members by Presidential Administration; it is this one: Category:Clinton administration cabinet members. Just a little trivia for all you fans out there. I'm pleased to see this discussion here to improve the categories in general. thanks!!! --Sm8900 (talk) 22:26, 9 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: Keep (WP:NAC). DexDor^(talk) 08:42, 29 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Too little content for an eponymous category. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 09:36, 1 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

~~Weak~~ oppose, little content yes, but too little? Note that this is not a case of WP:OCEPON as this only applies to people categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:52, 1 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Sufficiently large category. Dimadick (talk) 11:03, 1 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep; it appears that more content has been added which is valid, so the category is justified now. – Fayenatic London 12:02, 1 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep -- Meets the normal minimum of five articles. If we need more articles merge in the 6 articles in the seasons subcat. Peterkingiron (talk) 18:27, 2 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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I have stricken "weak" in my comment above, since the category has been further populated. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:46, 9 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - not sure why this was relisted. Oculi (talk) 23:27, 9 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as per others. J 947 ^{^{^(c)}}, at 03:45, 10 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - not sure how 13 pages are not enough for a category. --Gonnym (talk) 13:05, 15 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: rename. MER-C 16:35, 17 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:G4 (television) to Category:G4 Media

Nominator's rationale: Probably the best option here is to rename this for G4 Media, but I'm open to other options as well. Gonnym (talk) 21:29, 1 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete, incoherent category. Where needed, the articles link to each other in the text. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:49, 10 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Gonnym: please comment on the alternative suggestion to delete the category. – Fayenatic London 17:08, 31 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- Not sure deletion is correct. Links aren't the same as categories (not that I need to explain that). There are 2 sub-categories and 6 articles that are currently in the category. I don't really see how deleting the category helps in any way. As I said above, naming this after the company itself (G4 Media) which is also the name used in the infoboxes of the relevant pages. The only pages that don't belong to G4 Media are G4 (Canadian TV channel) and Adult Digital Distraction, which only licensed the G4 name. --Gonnym (talk) 17:58, 31 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Rename and purge slightly per Gonnym. – Fayenatic London 11:31, 1 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: rename. MER-C 17:41, 29 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:LaserDiscs to Category:LaserDisc releases

Nominator's rationale: To avoid confusion with Category:LaserDisc, and clarify that the category is about individual releases on LaserDisc, and not LaserDiscs as a whole. Trivialist (talk) 15:30, 1 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Support per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:50, 10 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: Merge Timrollpickering (Talk) 17:01, 23 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Category:Transgender in South Africa to Category:Transgender in Africa
Propose merging Category:Transgender law in South Africa to Category:Transgender law and Category:LGBT law in South Africa

Nominator's rationale: upmerge per WP:SMALLCAT, 1 article in two categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:18, 1 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge, also to Category:South African legislation. (This is also needed, as legislation is another sub-cat of law, distinguishing the topic from case law.) – Fayenatic London 20:24, 15 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Fair enough. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:13, 17 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support merge per nom Laurel Lodged (talk) 16:12, 21 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: rename. MER-C 15:01, 5 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:Multiplayer gaming services to Category:Multiplayer video game services

Nominator's rationale: Per consensus discussion at WTVG, "gaming" is discouraged and replaced with "games" or "video games" where possible. Axem Titanium (talk) 21:58, 30 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The outcome of this discussion should be the same as in the discussion above (below after relisting). Marcocapelle (talk) 21:19, 31 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Support as below. – Fayenatic London 12:14, 24 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: rename. MER-C 15:00, 5 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:Online gaming services to Category:Online video game services

Nominator's rationale: Per consensus discussion at WTVG, "gaming" is discouraged and replaced with "games" or "video games" where possible. Axem Titanium (talk) 21:59, 30 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Question, what js the intended scope of this category? Is it related to Games as a service? Marcocapelle (talk) 22:24, 30 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- It seems to be services that provide online functionality to video games. It's not related to Games as a service, which is a game development model where you provide ongoing updates to games similar to software as a service. Axem Titanium (talk) 17:17, 31 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  - So we can look at it from two angles: they facilitate the activity of videogaming, or they facilitate the access to video games. Presumably both names can be used (although in fact neither of the two names are often used exactly with those words in the articles). Marcocapelle (talk) 21:17, 31 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    - A quick scan suggests there may need to be some cleaning out to be done. --Masem (t) 20:46, 8 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
      - @Masem: please go ahead, since the cleaning out is presumably unrelated to this rename proposal. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:55, 10 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom. --Masem (t) 20:46, 8 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - I don't buy into the common belief that if a word has been commonly misused, we must eliminate that word entirely. The logical thing to do, at least on Wikipedia, is to eliminate the misuses, and as Marcocapelle pointed out this category is not a misuse of the word "gaming".--Martin IIIa (talk) 14:40, 9 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- @Martin IIIa: At the very least, "online gaming services" is too ambiguous because "gaming" is also used to describe gambling, including on Wikipedia (see Server-based gaming, Server supported gaming, Category:Gaming devices). Some disambiguation is needed, even if you oppose the current proposal. Axem Titanium (talk) 18:23, 10 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Support for clarity. – Fayenatic London 12:11, 24 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus for social-network games, so rename to Category:Social casual games.

Propose renaming Category:Social casual gaming to Category:Social casual games

Nominator's rationale: Per consensus discussion at WTVG, "gaming" is discouraged and replaced with "games" or "video games" where possible. Axem Titanium (talk) 22:00, 30 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support, the articles are about the games, not about the activity of gaming. But also a question here: is a social casual game a genre of games at all? Marcocapelle (talk) 22:15, 30 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- It seems to be a sub-genre of casual games, namely casual games with a significant social aspect. This is mostly a technical move request that just barely falls outside the scope of CFDS#C2B, given the recent change to WP:NCVG as a result of the linked discussion. Axem Titanium (talk) 17:10, 31 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support - I created this category 10+ years ago; the move makes sense to me. - Wikidemon (talk) 22:15, 1 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Recommend moving to Category:Social-network games as to match with Social-network game which is a better descriptor of the games in this. This is to distinguish from social game which includes more than just video games. --Masem (t) 20:38, 8 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Support alt rename to Category:Social-network games per Masem. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:46, 9 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Axem Titanium and Wikidemon: please comment on the alternative proposed. – Fayenatic London 12:13, 24 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- Support alt rename per Masem. Axem Titanium (talk) 18:55, 24 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- I don't think it makes sense to describe these as social network games. The social network aspect is not a core feature, and usually not a feature incorporated at all of the games, which typically involve either one or two players. Some of the sources, and the article in question, sloppily describe any game distributed on a social network platform or that has added features like leaderboards as a social network game (e.g. Farmville, which does not appear to be sourced), but that would make even Tetris, chess, and solitaire social network games, which just isn't the case. - Wikidemon (talk) 14:29, 25 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- @Axem Titanium, Masem, and Marcocapelle: please review your preference following the objection by Wikidemon. – Fayenatic London 17:06, 31 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  - I see the point made. Besides we already have e.g. Category:Facebook games for social network games. But now I start wondering: is there a defining commonality between the games in this category at all? Marcocapelle (talk) 06:52, 3 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure). Marcocapelle (talk) 19:17, 17 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:Moonshine by country (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: This is a compelling list, but it is not an appropriate category. In the best cases, such as pisco, "moonshine by country" is a confusing tag. In the worst cases, such as brandy, it's largely misleading. —jameslucas ^{▄▄▄ ▄ ▄▄▄ ▄▄▄ ▄} 15:54, 9 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: as explained by the nominator. Category and article-list confuse illegaly produced spirits (=moonshine) and traditional brandies, which don't share the same technical and sociocultural contexts.--Phso2 (talk) 17:07, 9 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. It's far easier to fix incorrect entries on a list, and one already exists so listifying is unnecessary. By the way, this seems to have been emptied during this nomination, which it shouldn't have been. Grutness...wha? 03:14, 10 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Not emptied—relocated to Category:Moonshine by distilled drink, a move which does not address my primary concern of 'by' appearing in a category name. —jameslucas ^{▄▄▄ ▄ ▄▄▄ ▄▄▄ ▄} 12:05, 10 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Well, it is empty, which it wasn't before the nomination. It should still have its articles. It also shouldn't have been merged while the CfD discussion was in progress. Nominating a category for renaming, or for deletion if it's unnecessary are fine - pre-empting the outcome of the discussion is not. As the instructions say, Except in uncontroversial cases such as reverting vandalism, do not amend or depopulate a category once it has been nominated at CfD as this hampers other editors' efforts to evaluate a category and participate in the discussion. Grutness...wha? 03:19, 11 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Quite so, Grutness: I should have said not merely emptied or something to that effect. I was incensed by the relocation, and precision of language took its leave of me. —jameslucas ^{▄▄▄ ▄ ▄▄▄ ▄▄▄ ▄} 18:00, 11 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Good article/list idea, not a suitable category. Hog Farm (talk) 04:47, 10 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. The article is good, the category is inappropriate and genuinely erroneous for some entries. I'm seeing a genuine lack of competence here. oknazevad (talk) 15:27, 10 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: keep. (non-admin closure) b uidhe 04:33, 22 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:Noggin (brand) original programming to Category:Noggin original programming

Nominator's rationale: This category refers to the TV channel Noggin, not the entire brand article as a whole (which includes non-TV services like a website, mobile app, etc.) Squittens (talk) 14:22, 9 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support, but with the category being changed to Category:Noggin original programming instead of the nominator's proposal. Adam Black GB (talk) 16:41, 9 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- Agreed and updated. Squittens (talk) 20:59, 11 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. I find it strange even if I try to AGF that you've nominated this again, as if the speedy wasn't opposed without either addressing my point or even pinging me. Noggin does not lead to the article, as such, it shouldn't hold the primary name here. As I've explained before, if this is for the TV network, then the correct name is Category:Noggin (TV network) original programming. --Gonnym (talk) 14:47, 16 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose as per Gonnym – the article is currently at Noggin (brand), so the cat is named correctly. If somebody has a problem with Noggin (brand), then WP:RM the article first... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 16:37, 16 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per Gonnym, this is a straightforward case in the spirit of WP:C2D. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:54, 17 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: delete (deletion was only opposed by one participant). – Fayenatic London 16:43, 31 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:Microscopic organisms described by Antonie van Leeuwenhoek to Category:Microorganisms described by Antonie van Leeuwenhoek

Nominator's rationale: Consistency with Category:Microorganisms etc. I'd also support deletion as this isn't a way that most organism articles are categorized; instead categorization is (amongst other things) by who named the organism (e.g. Category:Taxa named by Carl Linnaeus). This may also be non-defining (e.g. for Infusoria). DexDor^(talk) 12:50, 9 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support, but please fix the spelling of the proposed category! Grutness...wha? 03:18, 10 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support if the spelling error in "microorganisms" is fixed. Hog Farm (talk) 04:45, 10 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks - nomination adjusted. DexDor^(talk) 06:43, 10 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete "described" is used in taxonomy categories such as Category:Plants described in 1753 which give the year of formal scientific description under the system established by Linnaeus. If DexDor hadn't mentioned "Taxa named by Carl Linnaeus" in the nom, I wouldn't have remember that "named" is used instead of "described" for categories based on the namer/describer. We don't have any categories for organisms observed/described by pre-Linnaean biologists (Aristotle provided the earliest (surviving) descriptions of some species, but doesn't have a category). van Leeuwenhoek is somewhat of a special case, as he is the first person who can be proven to have observed the species he did (many species new to science have been previously observed by indigenous peoples; van Leeuwenhoek observed species that couldn't have possibly been observed by anybody before him). If the category is kept, I'd suggest renaming to "Microorganisms first observed by Antonie van Leeuwenhoek" to avoid confusion with the categories for taxa "named by" and "described in YEAR". Plantdrew (talk) 22:16, 10 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, it'd be a bit odd if, for example, Eimeria stiedae was categorized for being described in 1895 and categorized for being described by Antonie van Leeuwenhoek (died 1723). I support rename proposed by Plantdrew or (preferably) deletion. DexDor^(talk) 11:18, 14 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support rename, oppose deletion. No objection to the category being renamed to accommodate van Leeuwenhoek as being the first to observe, although perhaps another word can be found to encompass the fact that he did scrupulously record his observations. Documented, perhaps? BD2412 T 04:46, 15 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Note: There are now 4 options:
- a. Status quo - Category:Microscopic organisms described by Antonie van Leeuwenhoek
- b. Original rename - Category:Microorganisms described by Antonie van Leeuwenhoek
- c. Plantdrew's rename - Microorganisms first observed by Antonie van Leeuwenhoek
- d. BD2412's rename - Microorganisms first documented by Antonie van Leeuwenhoek
- e. Delete.

My preference is option e (then c, d, b and a) - deletion on the basis that this is non-defining and is a categorization scheme that only works for a tiny fraction of articles about microorganisms. It should also be noted that van Leeuwenhoek's article is a better source of info about what he observed (e.g. because it can include things such as muscle fibre) than this category. DexDor^(talk) 12:38, 5 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Grutness and Hog Farm: what is your opinion about the alternative proposal to delete the category or the alternative rename proposals? Marcocapelle (talk) 23:38, 5 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- At the risk of muddying the water further, I note that there is a massive tree of Category:Taxa by author, each using the form Category:Taxa named by Foo Fooson. Perhaps this should follow that pattern as Category:Taxa (or term such as microorganisms) described by..., i.e., (b) - if we need it at all. So either (b) or (e) would be my picks. Grutness...wha? 02:25, 6 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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