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Category:Albums recorded at A&M Studios

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2021 April 2#Category:Albums recorded at A&M Studios

Kidnapped children

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The result of the discussion was: keep Indian, Japanese and Swiss, now containing 3 or 4; merge the rest for now, as they still only contain 1 or 2 pages, so potential for growth has not been demonstrated.– Fayenatic London 10:49, 20 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:SMALLCAT, only 1 to 3 articles in each of these categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:10, 19 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Many of the children who were kidnapped later became an adult. Putting them in "FOOian children" is only appropriate if they did not survive the kidnapping. That can/should be done manually. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:50, 20 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Clearly? Please explain. (Note that with a growth rate of articles of 10% per year it will, on average, take 17 years before a current one-article category reaches 5 articles). Marcocapelle (talk) 08:25, 21 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment We regularly create more crime-related articles, plus there are several old ones that are not properly categorized. Personally, I have kept off these categories kidnappings which ended in murder. An example is the North Kanto Serial Young Girl Kidnapping and Murder Case. It involved 5 kidnappings and 4 murders of children under the age of 8. I added the Category:Murdered Japanese children to the article, but not "kidnapped children", since I was not certain if both apply. Dimadick (talk) 05:36, 22 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • The size of the parent category would certainly not become enormous, it will contain a few dozen articles at most. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:06, 26 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • In the nomination I did not include country categories that contain at least 4 articles, so that is the reason why the African countries have not been included. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:56, 12 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Ancient Greeks in Macedon

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The result of the discussion was: Merge/Delete - jc37 14:54, 12 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: delete/merge, the categories suggest that this was a kind of emigration, but in fact the articles in these categories are about people living in an era when Macedonia was part of the Greek civilization, so there was nothing special about Greek people in ancient Macedonia. Note that Thessalia and Epirus were immediate neighbors of Macedonia and just as well part of the Greek civilization. If kept, rename "Macedon" to "Macedonia" per article title Ancient Macedonia. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:07, 19 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Judges of the Uttarakhand High Court

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The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 08:49, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Similar to Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2021_February_28#Category:Judges_of_the_Tripura_High_Court Rahul Bott (talk) 17:07, 19 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Television series about size change

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:04, 14 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Category not clearly or consistently defining of its contents. As usual with "[Media] about [X]" categories, the problem here is the distinction between whether the show is genuinely "about'" X, or whether it just happens to incorporate X as a plot device within a show that is primarily "about" something else. For instance, the category includes Pac-Man and the Ghostly Adventures -- but while Pac-Man is a character who we all know possesses the ability to temporarily grow in size and kill the ghosts when he eats the power pellet, the size change is not itself the core subject of the Pac-Man franchise. It also includes The Simpsons, which has once or twice used character shrinkage or growth as a standalone gag but is in no sense whatsoever "about" that. And then there's Big John, Little John, a show about a character age-reverting to childhood, so that the "size" change is at best a secondary byproduct of the age change, and not the thing the show was "about" in and of itself. And on and so forth: just because a TV show uses size change as a plot point doesn't necessarily mean the show is about size change per se -- so the category is simply too subjective to stand. Bearcat (talk) 15:17, 19 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Uncategorized articles needing expert attention

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The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 10:15, 2 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Looking at the code of ((Expert needed)), it seems only Category:Articles needing unspecified expert attention is being used currently. 𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰 (𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠) 14:00, 19 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Characters of the Slavic Cabinet Mythology

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The result of the discussion was: delete for now. If an article gets written like be:Кабінетныя багі і духі беларускай міфалогіі then a justifiable catdhory be re-created easily enough. – Fayenatic London 08:09, 14 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: I can't decipher the name of this category or the connection between the articles in it other than them being from Slavic folklore. There is nothing on Wikipedia about "Slavic Cabinet Mythology". A Google search only brings up results from this category on Wikipedia or mirrors. The contents are already in other appropriate Slavic folklore categories so no upmerging is necessary. MClay1 (talk) 12:19, 19 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
There are scientific publications about each character in this category that such a deity did not exist. They were introduced into the Slavic deities by mistake in the 19th century. --Лобачев Владимир (talk) 13:10, 19 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Лобачев Владимир: But what does the name mean? Is it a translation? There isn't anything in the articles that deals with this. MClay1 (talk) 14:41, 20 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
This means that these characters were not among the people. They became characters as a result of the mistakes of some researchers. And then these mistakes were repeated many times. This is well stated in the Russian Wikipedia and in the five-volume edition of the Institute of the Russian Academy of Sciences "Slavic Antiquities: Ethnolinguistic Dictionary". --Лобачев Владимир (talk) 07:20, 22 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Unless there's missing context, "cabinet" seems like a bad translation. Using the title of the corresponding category on the Russian Wikipedia, Google Translate suggests the word could be "armchair". Either way, this information is not self-explanatory or common knowledge, so I think the articles need information about it backed by reliable sources before we can safely categorise them as such. MClay1 (talk) 11:28, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:SZA (singer) songs

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The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:08, 14 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per page name; page previously determined as primary topic. Sean Stephens (talk) 10:56, 19 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Songs written by SZA (singer)

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The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:09, 14 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per page name; page previously determined as primary topic. Sean Stephens (talk) 10:56, 19 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Ethnic issues in Japan

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The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:11, 14 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: This is the only Wikipedia category for "ethnic issues in Foo". In fact we don't even have Category:Ethnic issues nor any article or even a redirect for ethnic issues (which is just a wesaely synonym for racism). This is just a weird outlier in Category:Racism by country. See also Talk:Ethnic_issues_in_Japan#Requested_move_19_March_2021. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:20, 19 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:2003 Texas redistricting

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:12, 14 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Having been responsible for getting a bunch of categorized articles merged into the main article through the AfD process, I can see now that this category is sparsely populated as it is at this moment. Therefore, I suggest deletion. Love of Corey (talk) 03:20, 19 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Things in Fez, Morocco

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The result of the discussion was: Rename - jc37 20:36, 8 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: These were opposed in the speedy section as creating a redundancy in category names; also mentioned was that it would be less concise and intuitive. The rationale for renaming is per C2D, to match the main article Fez, Morocco. The category for the city is Category:Fez, Morocco, and the other subcategories of it are also in this format, including the parent category of these, Category:Buildings and structures in Fez, Morocco. The general practice is to follow the head article name in categories even if omitting a disambiguator would not render the category name ambiguous. See, e.g., Category:U.S. Highways in Georgia (U.S. state). As for WP:CONCISE, it is part of the guideline for article titles, not category names. As for being less intuitive, I think this is subjective. It can just as easily be argued that it is less intuitive for subcategories to refer to a city in a different way than the parent category refers to the city. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:05, 19 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Copy of speedy discussion
  • Oppose, I should have brought this up earlier during a similar speedy rename had I been paying closer attention, but these renames are unnecessary as "Fez" is not ambiguous in this context (obviously there are no gates, mosques, and palaces in a Fez hat, and there are no other notable cities named Fez) and therefore adding the disambiguator to further categories is redundant. I'm struggling to see that C2D would require that every single category under it automatically needs to include the same disambiguator as the main article after it's redundant. So adding ", Morocco" to every Fez city subcategory makes the category name less WP:CONCISE and slightly less intuitive for readers. Some of the main article equivalents of these categories may have, or have had, titles without the disambiguator (e.g. Gates of Fez before it was merged to Fortifications of Fez) and other main-space articles about subtopics of Fez now and in the future would likewise lack the disambiguator, so doing this may actually create inconsistency that violates C2D in the long term. Not the end of the world if this goes through, but it looks like extra work for nothing. R Prazeres (talk) 02:42, 19 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Wars by year subcategories

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The result of the discussion was: rename per option A, i.e. as originally nominated. – Fayenatic London 22:00, 13 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Moved from Speedy — C2C Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2021 January 30#Category:Years by war
They were opposed by @Oculi:: "this is not a subcat scheme so the cfd does not apply."
@1234qwer1234qwer4, Fayenatic london, Marcocapelle, and Justus Nussbaum: as prior participants.
William Allen Simpson (talk) 09:54, 8 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Extended content
  • Normally, once something is tagged, we don't bother to tag them a second time. If you are so concerned, why didn't you update them yourself?
    William Allen Simpson (talk) 12:45, 9 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • That's not the case if you remove the categories from WP:CFDS. Now the only tag on the categories links to a place, where they are not even mentioned. (I am under no obligation to tag these, that's the nominator's responsibility.) Armbrust The Homunculus 14:38, 9 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Where is that written? Technically, they are all at the same Wikipedia:Categories for discussion. You spent more effort griping than it would have taken to revise the template. If you complain, then it is your obligation. You have made yourself part of the process.
    William Allen Simpson (talk) 11:52, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • The tag also links to the right section so it is very useful to have a correct tag on the category page. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:59, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Maybe Marcocapelle, but how often does anybody come via the tag? After all, it is visible on the CfD page, even though not linked to the specific subsection. It just bothers me that an experienced editor would waste our time posting complaints, rather than just fixing problems. That's what I've done, and I've seen you do. Lost whatever remaining respect for him. Anyway, I'd already updated them some time ago, so I'm going to collapse this irrelevant side discussion.
    William Allen Simpson (talk) 22:32, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:30, 19 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Krishnan Medal recipients

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The result of the discussion was: delete. – Fayenatic London 21:54, 13 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Propose Deleting/Listifying Category:Krishnan Medal recipients
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:NONDEFINING (WP:OCAWARD)
The Krishnan Medal is is an Indian geology award. The recipients tend to mention the award in passing with other honours so it doesn't seem defining like with Krishan Lal Kaila, Vinod Kumar Gaur, and Sampat Kumar Tandon. There category contents are already listified right here in the main article for any reader interested in the topic. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:03, 19 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Winners of the Queen's Award for Voluntary Service

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The result of the discussion was: delete. – Fayenatic London 21:53, 13 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Propose Deleting/Listifying Category:Winners of the Queen's Award for Voluntary Service
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:NONDEFINING (WP:OCAWARD)
The Queen's Award for Voluntary Service is given to charities in the United Kingdom like the British Red Cross, Talyllyn Heritage Railway, and Seagull Trust and the articles are a mix of those that mention the award in passing, in the lede or not at all. In the more developed articles, the award tends to be much less prominent so it doesn't seem defining, especially considering over 1,500 organisations have received it. There wasn't a list so I created one right here in the main article for any reader interested in the topic. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:03, 19 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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