October 8
Category:1818 establishments in Illinois Territory
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- The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 14:32, 16 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Nominator's rationale: Illinois was granted statehood in 1818 and thus Illinois Territory became Illinois. –Aidan721 (talk) 22:09, 8 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Most of these establishments took place before Illinois became a state. The transition happened by December 3rd. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:42, 9 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Many are political positions that were established when Illinois was granted statehood. –Aidan721 (talk) 13:58, 9 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Ethnic Armenian composers
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- The result of the discussion was: selectively merge to Category:Armenian-language singers. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 02:09, 16 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Nominator's rationale: WP:EGRS/I: intersection of ethnicity and occupation (and sometimes gender) is not defining. Edward-Woodrow • talk 21:30, 8 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Agree, but selectively merge to Category:Armenian-language singers. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:44, 9 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per nom, as it is not because you have Armenian ancestors that your music automatically is Armenian music. Indeed, articles for which the subject is commonly and consistently defined as Armenian singer/musician/composer in reliable sources should be merged to the category so named. Place Clichy (talk) 23:11, 9 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Writers from the Duchy of Savoy
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- The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:French writers. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 02:09, 16 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Propose renaming Category:Writers from the Duchy of Savoy to Category:Writers from Savoy
- Nominator's rationale: rename or upmerge, small cat Mason (talk) 20:47, 8 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:People from the Duchy of Savoy
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- The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:People from Savoy. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 01:06, 16 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Nominator's rationale: overlapping under populated category Mason (talk) 20:45, 8 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Support, redundant category layer with only two subcategories. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:51, 9 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Spanish people in the Spanish Philippines
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- The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:People from the Spanish colonial Philippines. No prejudice against recreation if and when the category can be better populated. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 01:06, 16 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Nominator's rationale: overlapping cat: People of Spanish colonial Philippines Mason (talk) 20:41, 8 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge for now with no prejudice to recreation when it is populated better. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:55, 9 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge per nom. Updated target to WP:CFD/S process. –Aidan721 (talk) 20:39, 13 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:People of the Spanish East Indies
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- The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:People from the Spanish East Indies. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 01:05, 16 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Nominator's rationale: duplicate Mason (talk) 20:40, 8 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:People of the Viceroyalty of New Granada
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- The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Viceroyalty of New Granada people. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 01:05, 16 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Nominator's rationale: duplicate Mason (talk) 20:36, 8 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Brewers from the Dutch Republic
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- The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Dutch brewers. Because the nominated category contains only one member, whether this is a single or dual merge is a matter of semantics that would be pointless to discuss for another week. I will add Cornelis Boudewijns to both Category:Dutch brewers and Category:Businesspeople from the Dutch Republic, as the article belongs in both categories. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 01:11, 16 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Nominator's rationale: overlapping underpopulated category where the regime isn't defining Mason (talk) 20:30, 8 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Painters from the Dutch Republic
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- The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Dutch painters and Category:People from the Dutch Republic. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 14:33, 16 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Nominator's rationale: overlapping underpopulated category where the regime isn't defining Mason (talk) 20:29, 8 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Dual merge, also to Category:People from the Dutch Republic. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:02, 9 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge per nom. About the dual merge, although the Dutch Republic, the Batavian Republic and the Kingdom of Holland are different political regimes that preceded the present-day Netherlands with slightly different borders, they are in essence the same nation, and Dutch applies to all of them. Place Clichy (talk) 23:15, 9 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- But businesspeople and painters are a very defining intersection with the Dutch Republic (per Dutch Golden Age). Marcocapelle (talk) 05:54, 10 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Belonging to an artistic movement is notable and defining. In this case, this is reflected by:
- Note that Dutch Golden Age painting is not exclusively associated with the Dutch Republic and is closely related with e.g. Flemish Baroque painting, the Antwerp school and Peter Paul Rubens. Place Clichy (talk) 08:45, 10 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Single merge per Place Clichy. –Aidan721 (talk) 20:38, 13 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:People of the Dutch East Indies of Chinese descent
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- The result of the discussion was: merge both categories to Category:People from the Dutch East Indies of Chinese descent. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 01:04, 16 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Nominator's rationale: Overlapping category Mason (talk) 18:39, 8 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Explorers by ethnicity
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- The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Explorers except for Category:Viking explorers. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 14:35, 16 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Nominator's rationale: This and all subcategories should be deleted as WP:EGRS/I violations; these intersections are not defining. Edward-Woodrow • talk 17:28, 8 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Gjs238 (talk) 00:02, 9 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Procedural oppose, this nomination is only meaningful when the subcategories are nominated in conjunction (listed and tagged). Marcocapelle (talk) 18:43, 8 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- @Marcocapelle: Done 21:24, 8 October 2023 (UTC) Edward-Woodrow • talk 21:24, 8 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose Viking explorers for whom this intersection is very defining, manually merge the remainder to Category:Explorers per WP:OCEGRS. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:07, 9 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Viking explorers, selectively merge the rest. When I saw Arab explorers I expected to find travelers from the Arab Golden Age such as Ibn Battuta, but I found the likes of Iraqi journalist Younis Bahri (1900–1979), which shows how such a category can be wrongly used. Per WP:CATDEF, we primarily define people by their nationality, and ethnicity is only worth mentioning if it has a substantial bearing on both the topic and the individual, according to reliable sources. Taking the example of Ibn Battuta, today both categorized in Berber explorers and Moroccan explorers (as well as 14th-century Berber people and 10 other travel-related categories), his Berber background is not pertinent enough to his career and travels to justify a category, as opposed for instance to his education as a Maliki scholar or his status in Merinid Marocco. The chronological ethnic category and the national occupation category are sufficient to define him. Place Clichy (talk) 09:02, 10 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Selective Merge - I was going to say Keep on the Hawaiian one, til I saw that 2 out of three seem to just be travelers, so some pruning may be in order. I also think that, if we're going to do a mass merge, that Category:Indigenous explorers of the Americas should be created, comparable to Category:Indigenous sailors of the Americas. I would be very surprised if Naukane is the only member. Sacagawea comes immediately to mind, and I have no doubt that there are more. See also:Category:Polynesian explorers of the Pacific. - jc37 10:16, 13 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Stock exchanges in Bahrain
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 01:03, 16 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Nominator's rationale: Bahrain Bourse (BHB) is the only licensed stock exchange of the Kingdom of Bahrain source. We don't need a category for a single entry. Uhooep (talk) 17:07, 8 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- It's bad practice to empty a category prior to CfD. –Aidan721 (talk) 17:11, 8 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- I didn't know. I've undone the action. Uhooep (talk) 17:46, 8 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Thank you for reverting that emptying, Uhooep. If this discussion closes as Delete, then the category will be emptied. Liz Read! Talk! 17:30, 11 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete, not part of a large established tree, only 40 out of 200 countries have a subcategory. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:50, 8 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Catholic preparatory schools in the United States by state
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- The result of the discussion was: merge. Note that the nominated categories were both moved per WP:C2 during the discussion (from "foo by state" to "foo by state or territory"). (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 20:04, 15 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary layer. –Aidan721 (talk) 14:28, 8 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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FOOians from the Kingdom of Serbia
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- The result of the discussion was: merge as proposed as well as to Category:People from the Kingdom of Serbia. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 14:37, 16 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Nominator's rationale: overlapping, underpopulated, category where the intersection with the political regime isn't defining Mason (talk) 14:12, 8 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Dual merge, also to Category:Kingdom of Serbia people. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:09, 9 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Government in Bangsamoro
Category:People from the Ottoman Empire of Albanian descent
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 20:01, 15 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Nominator's rationale: delete, Albania was part of the Ottoman Empire so a separate descent category is not very meaningful in this case. "Albanian" is not defining for the one article in the category. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:24, 8 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Support, but I do wonder if creating a redirect to People of Albanian descent OR Albanian people from the Ottoman Empire, might be helpful in discouraging the page's recreation Mason (talk) 14:22, 8 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. Articles whose subject is defined as Albanian are found at Category:Albanians from the Ottoman Empire, but this is not the case for the lone article Enver Pasha. Place Clichy (talk) 23:20, 9 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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