The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was promoted 00:05, 18 February 2008.

History of Ipswich Town F.C.[edit]

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This shall be the last time I burden your doorsteps with my pleas of your time and energy! The History of ITFC is the final piece of my featured topic jigsaw puzzle and I'll do anything to get the article up to the standard required by the community in order to assure its place as a featured article. As ever, I've had a peer review which has received considerable detailed scrutiny from a few WP:FOOTBALL editors, notably ChrisTheDude, Dweller and, with a half-term magnifying glass, Kevin McE, all three of whom I offer my sincerest thanks on getting the article to where it is.

As an Ipswich fan it's impossible for me to write this article on my own without veering off into bias and desperate POV so I'm hoping the PR and this WP:FAC will iron out any remaining creases. My thanks as always to any editor prepared to contribute to, comment upon, support or oppose this article's candidacy. I will work relentlessly (apart from when I'm asleep) to get onto suggestions as soon as they're offered. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:43, 12 February 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

he led Ipswich to third place in the 1937–38 season.
The "problem" (if it is one) is certainly not limited to this article - there's loads of [[<year> in <whatever>|<year>]] links out there. To be honest, I don't know what the solution is :) There was a long and convoluted discussion about it at one of the MOS talk pages recently, but I wasn't interested enough to follow it to its conclusion (ahh, here it is). The links to the seasons are what I'd call high-value links, while those to just the year (as caused by autoformatting) are, more often than not, no-value-at-all links, hence the suggestion of removing normal date autoformatting (I think that's supported these days, in MOS). I certainly agree you shouldn't lose the links to the season articles - that would just be cutting your nose off to spite your face. Sandy and Raul are both sensible enough to know this isn't an oppose that would prevent the article's promotion (and scupper your FT!), and as such maybe this isn't the best place to discuss it.
In short, the problem isn't with the article, nor in the "Year in Topic" links, but in the autoformatting. (edit conflict there, but I think this answers the message on my talk too) Carré (talk) 19:26, 12 February 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I was involved those MOS discussions and specifically requested that the football seasons be taken into account. The ambiguous nature of the guideline is that these links are allowed. I agree that the issue needs sorting out as users will not really click on links such as [[1907-08 in English football|1907]]. I try to write it as [[1907-08 in English football|1907 season]] where possible which is a better compromise in my opinion. Woody (talk) 16:31, 13 February 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Addressed comments by Epbr123
    • "In the top flight for the first time, Ipswich became champions of the Football League at the first attempt" - repetition of "first"
    • "to win the Southern League at the first time of asking" - in my opinion, this seems too informal
    • "before the club's would qualify for Europe again" - typo
      • Yup. That sentence has been fiddled with a fair bit; I guess it may have been me that broke it! --Dweller (talk) 10:23, 13 February 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    • "...helped put Ipswich on the map..." - space needed before "helped" and after "map" per Wikipedia:Manual of Style#Ellipses
      • Done. I used non breaking spaces. Hope that's OK. --Dweller (talk) 10:25, 13 February 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    • "During his 13 year tenure" - hyphen needed. Epbr123 (talk) 19:20, 12 February 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support Well-written and comprehensive. Epbr123 (talk) 18:43, 13 February 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    • Thanks Sandy. The date linking is still a bigger issue than this article alone. I'm not sure it can be solved here. But hopefully we can address your concerns. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:11, 14 February 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    • Yes ... but if you link some, you've got to link them all, and you did link some :-) SandyGeorgia (Talk) 19:15, 14 February 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    • Now there's no bolded title in the lead? (WP:MOSBOLD, WP:LEAD). SandyGeorgia (Talk) 19:28, 14 February 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
      • Indeed - I would wikilink all dates until advised otherwise, some of my more diligent copyeditors have removed some of them. As for the boldness, ask Epbr123! The Rambling Man (talk) 19:30, 14 February 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
        • Incidentally, thanks for your links out to the various MOS policies. One day I'll know them off by heart...! The Rambling Man (talk) 19:34, 14 February 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    WP:LEAD states, "If the topic of an article has no commonly accepted name, and the title is simply descriptive ... the title does not need to appear verbatim in the main text; if it does happen to appear, it should not be boldface". Epbr123 (talk) 20:12, 14 February 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Good thing you reviewed :-) And glad that is sorted out now at WP:LEAD, because it's been a source of confusion on many articles. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 20:19, 14 February 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

    I went with "Link to one of these pages only if it is likely to deepen readers' understanding of a topic." from MOSDATE. No dates in this article would therefore need to be linked, only seasons/cup campaigns etc. I'm not sure what additional understanding is gained from 7 July or 2006. Frankly, I don't really care, so long as it's consistent. I think MOSDATE is a mess though. --Dweller (talk) 11:28, 15 February 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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