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List of countries by Human Development Index[edit]

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Nominator(s): --Trialpears (talk) 21:33, 30 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I originally nominated this article last spring at Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of countries by Human Development Index/archive2 but due to life being a mess and me being very busy in the weeks after that I withdrew it. Now I've incorporated the feedback there, done some improvements together with the big annual update and guaranteed there are no data errors and some other minor things. There is one improvement that I would like to make which is merging the two maps in the lead, but due to lack of participants in the talkpage discussion we could not reach a consensus on the matter. --Trialpears (talk) 21:33, 30 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Table accessibility review (MOS:DTAB): while the table has column scopes, it is missing a caption and rowscopes, and has column headers in the middle of the table.

--PresN 14:22, 2 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
PresN Thanks! I've added a caption and have added row headers. I think the country name is a better row header than the rank and therefore chose to make that the row header. For the High/Medium/Low Human development index labels I think they are a significant improvement for sighted readers since it makes it easy to see if a given value is concidered high or low. I want to retain them if possible while making them accessible, but if that isn't possible I guess they have to go. They are not column headers, but rather colpsan 6 items with a background color identical to headers. I'm not sure if that fixes the accessibility issues though. There is also a significant difference between these divisions and the ones on your link with these not being necessary to make sense of the table. --Trialpears (talk) 15:29, 2 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
So, the issue with colspans like that is that where screen readers would normally read out (to give a 2-cell example) "Country or Territory Norway; HDI 2019 data (2020 report) 0.957", with a colspan like that it some would do "Country or Territory Very high human development Norway; HDI 2019 data (2020 report) Very high human development 0.957", e.g. repeating the colspan like it's a header for everything instead of treating it like a row (which even if it did, it would try to connect it to the columns that it doesn't apply to. It would work better if it was a column on its own (since the table is pretty narrow) or split into different tables. Incidentally, they don't actually work as-is for sighted readers either in the first table- if you sort the table, the "Very high" row isn't moving, and when I sort by the last column 3 times they all stack together. --PresN 16:23, 2 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Hum, this revision sorting the Very high human development worked as intended, but apparently designating it a row header breaks it. Even then the sorting with the dividers is a bit unintuitive (change over 5 years and average annual HDI growth isn't applicable to the dividers). Splitting the table was how it was done before but it made it a pain to see thing like which country has the fastest HDI growth. I've removed them. The information is still readily available in several places. --Trialpears (talk) 16:34, 2 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Pote2639 you seem to have thoughts about the ranking headers judging by your revert. Your opinion would be much appreciated. --Trialpears (talk) 22:34, 2 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Trialpears I think the ranking headers are still needed, as most country pages are still using the ranking in their HDI indicator. without it, it would be a bit confusing to most readers. --pote2639 (talk) 14:41, 2 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Pote2639 Idealy I think they are an improvement but due to technical limitations they are problematic. I've tried getting the sorting to work properly with them while having proper row headers, but from T6740 I've gathered that's impossible with the current software (using html isn't an option either since thead tags apparently aren't supported). On top of that we have the screen reader issues PresN is more familiar with that also don't seem to be solvable with the dividers. I'm not that concerned about not including the HDI categories in the list since they are both explained in prose and clearly shown in the map caption. It is also not particularly important to see the categories in the list since you have tons of other countries to compare to but in country pages you only get one for most people basically meaningless number. --Trialpears (talk) 20:48, 3 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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That's it on a quick run. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 20:25, 29 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The Rambling Man Thanks, your comments are much appreciated! I've taken care of them if I don't comment on the point specifically.
  • Why 189 countries? Why are the others not included? Those are the ones that have data available in the human development report. It is the 193 UN member states except North Korea, Monaco, Nauru, San Marino, Somalia and Tuvalu, the non-member observer state Palestine (but not the other observer state, the Vatican/Holy See) as well as Hong Kong. Including other sources would open a gigantic can of worms with tons of discussion about what counts as a country and whether a given source is reliable. I'm happy to have a longer discussion on this if you want to.
  • Oh I misinterpreted the question then. It currently just states "The United Nations Development Programme (UNDP) compiles the Human Development Index (HDI) of 189 countries in the annual Human Development Report. " as the first sentence. I guess it isn't explicit that is the reason only 189 countries are included but I can't see how to state that without making it clunky. I guess I could add some text just above the list explaining it. --Trialpears (talk) 19:51, 2 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "The first human development index was" why not use the abbreviation? Done, slighlty rephrased.
  • "as GDP. The" explain before using the abbreviation. Expanded the abbreviation. It is only used once.
  • "a long and healthy life, knowledge, and decent living standards" is this a quote? It doesn't sound particularly encyclopedic. The direct quote is The Human Development Index (HDI) is a summary measure of average achievement in key dimensions of human development: a long and healthy life, being knowledgeable and have a decent standard of living. from http://hdr.undp.org/en/content/human-development-index-hdi. "A long and healthy life" is consistently the way they refer to it and I don't believe it would be proper to modify it here, although I called it just health in the first sentance.
  • "Various indicators are" that links to economic indicator yet this all about indicators other than economic... Yep, not optimal. I think there should be some kind of link for indicator. I changed it to Indicator (statistics) which is accurate nut not particularly in depth.
  • "three indexes" isn't the plural of index indices? I've seen both in use, but I think indices is considered more proper and is unambiguously correct. Changed.
  • "at Radboud University where" context, where is this uni? Changed to "Radboud University in the Netherlands".
  • ISBNs should be consistently formatted. Fixed now. Not entirely certain what convention to use, copied the one at WP:ISBN.
  • Ref 2 and ref 10 look identical? One was supposed to be table 1 and one table 2. Fixed now.
  • You link "United Nations Development Programme" on and off in the refs, be consistent. Settled on unlinked since it's linked first thing in the article proper.
I also made sure the minus sign is used for negative numbers and added some other missing websites for consistency. --Trialpears (talk) 00:39, 1 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comments Support from Sdkb

Overall, this looks quite good! Here are some comments. Some of these things are more significant whereas others are extremely nitpicky, just questions, or may reflect my own preferences moreso than any requirements. I look forward to supporting once the significant things are addressed. Also, I know you plan to be busy in the near future, so please don't feel any pressure to respond quickly.

World map of countries by Human Development Index scores in increments of 0.050 (based on 2019 data, published in 2019).
  • Very high HDI
      ≥ 0.900
  •   0.850–0.899
  •   0.800–0.849
  • High HDI
  •   0.750–0.799
  •   0.700–0.749
  • Medium HDI
      0.650–0.699
  •   0.600–0.649
  •   0.550–0.599
  • Low HDI
      0.500–0.549
  •   0.450–0.499
  •   0.400–0.449
  •   ≤ 0.399
  •   Data unavailable


References

  1. ^ Avakov, Aleksandr Vladimirovich (2012). Quality of Life, Balance of Powers, and Nuclear Weapons (2012): A Statistical Yearbook for Statesmen and Citizens. Algora Publishing. p. 51. ISBN 978-0-87586-892-9.

Source review – Pass[edit]

Will do soon. Aza24 (talk) 23:19, 5 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Promoting. --PresN 22:57, 10 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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