November 10

This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on November 10, 2016.

Thomas Wood (Yorkshire cricketer)

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was delete.---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 01:44, 17 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as inaccurate. Redirect created from page move, but subject has never played cricket for, or is from, Yorkshire. Jellyman (talk) 19:55, 10 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The Legend of Zelda (upcoming video game)

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The result of the discussion was delete. I almost called this no consensus and said "see you in a few months" in the close. Then I realized the absurdity of the situation and decided to crush the can instead of kicking it down the road. --BDD (talk) 15:58, 23 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

This page is unneeded, as The Legend of Zelda (2017 video game) takes care of the redirect, and this redirect's name isn't descriptive enough of which The Legend of Zelda video game article it could redirect to. For example, a new LoZ game could be announced and an article created for it, but this redirect may still redirect to The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild. Gestrid (talk) 04:23, 30 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Capeside

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The result of the discussion was no consensus, default to keep. Deryck C. 11:11, 18 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

In addition to the location in the show, it is apparently the name of at least one musical artist (not sure if notable or not). This redirect is linked at Soundwave (Australian music festival) and is mentioned in this context at Siegfried Meier, The Rescue (Horsell Common album) and other pages. It is also mentioned at Bird Town so my concern is if someone will search for the term in one of these contexts they will be mislead. - CHAMPION (talk) (contributions) (logs) 00:16, 30 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Mother-Daughter Exchange Club

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The result of the discussion was No consensus, defaulting to keep (non-admin closure) - CHAMPION (talk) (contributions) (logs) 09:06, 17 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Redirect proposed and rejected at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mother-Daughter Exchange Club, which was closed only a few hours before the redirect was created. Consensus that such redirects are inappropriate demonstrated by parallel AFDs as well as discussions like Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 September 17#Big Tits at School. Only content related to subject in target article is a list entry. The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo). Treated like dirt by administrators since 2006. (talk) 20:57, 29 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete: The name of the film occurs four times at the target; redirects don't need to be linked from any page to be useful (many, especially e.g. ones based on typos, won't be); it isn't a synonym. It is mentioned at the target. It was the result of an AfD. It doubles as a preservation of the history of what was formerly an article. All of that almost made me suggest keeping this and refining it to the awards section. However, there are 19 volumes in the film series. The current target doesn't talk about the films, it merely lists a few because of the awards that they won. (...) There isn't a better target, and I think the search engine handles this adequately.
This sums up it pretty well. Currently, adult films do not have an SNG, and I don't believe they should, but that's a separate discussion, unrelated to this redirect. K.e.coffman (talk) 21:30, 29 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • As long as this redirect is a valid search term, meets WP:RPURPOSE, passes several WP:R#KEEP criteria, and in this case also avoids false positives, this sole argument carries little weight. The article was deleted and remains deleted, so the final result is not going subverted just because someone is creating a bare redirect. Saying "it was discussed but rejected at AfD" is also exaggerating things, let's say that when the discussion was basically moot one editor suggested a "merge" (which is different from a bare redirect), another editor who had previously voted "delete" agreed as a "sensible and acceptable" move, then a third editor (you) disagreed mentioning a lack of well-sourced contents to be merged. At best I see a very limited discussion and no consensus for merging contents but no real suggestion/discussion about a simple redirect. Cavarrone 21:28, 6 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • This response is misguided. The AFD closed as a straightforward delete; the redirect was proposed, but received no support beyond its initial proponent. When an editor disgrees with the outcome of a deletion discussion, they should take the matter to DRV and try to gain consensus, not unilaterally reject the AFD outcome and demand, in effect, that consensus against their action be demonstrated a second time. There are situation where consensus practice allows/supports a redirect, but here consensus practice, demonstrated by an apparently uncontested string of similar discussions, cited above, rejects creation of the redirect. And, for example, when a non-notable book. or series of books, wins an insignificant award, we don't redirect those article titles to their publisher's article. The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo). Treated like dirt by administrators since 2006. (talk) 22:19, 6 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • As I said, one editor suggested a "merge" (which is different from a bare redirect, you know it), another editor agreed, then a third editor disagreed. The AfD did not discussed the possibility of a redirect outside of a merge of contents, and did not discussed it properly, anyway. This is a proper place to discuss the opportunity of a redirect, but as long as the only arguments to deny a redirect are WP:OTHERSTUFF and the result of an AfD, they are weak arguments. About your example, yes, when a non-notable book or series of books are valid search terms meeting one or more WP:RPURPOSE and WP:R#KEEP criteria, they certainly go redirect to their parent articles. Cavarrone 23:15, 6 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Guinea National Library and Archives

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Template:R from real name

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The result of the discussion was deprecate as suggested. Deryck C. 11:17, 18 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Possibly confusing name for a redirect to an WP:RCAT template. Not sure if this redirect should target Template:R from long name, Template:R from alternative name or Template:R from birth name. Steel1943 (talk) 20:20, 31 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Given the course of the discussion, I now think the redirect should be deleted ... well, that's what I would say if the redirect didn't have over 100 transclusions. The equivalent in this case would probably be to covert redirect into template utilizing ((Error)) and making it a landing page for other templates, similar to how ((IMDb)) and ((OTRS)) work. The thing about WP:RCAT templates is that we cannot assume that the editor who places the templates has a complete understanding about how Wikipedia works and will correct themselves if ((R from real name)) doesn't put the page in the redirect category they intend. Since the title of the redirect is ambiguous, this error landing page idea seems like a possible solution. Steel1943 (talk) 16:28, 1 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I definitely support this solution, since this would prevent any of the WP:BLP I mentioned below. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 23:21, 1 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I think I figured out where the problem is. The article on personal name seems to imply that "personal name" would be synonymous with ((R from long name)). The documentation at ((R from personal name)) (IMO) is referring to usage of someone's legal name as opposed to a pseudonym (eg: stage name or pen name). Colloquially speaking, this is exactly what someone typically means when they use the phrase "real name". To solve that problem, I think it's best if ((R from personal name)) is moved to ((R from legal name)) and then fix the links. I now believe that real name should be retargeted to legal name. I don't see the XY problem here as I can't fathom someone referring to someone's birth name as their real name if it was changed legally (eg: via marriage or a gender change). -- Tavix (talk) 22:32, 10 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
We may not always know someone's legal name, so I'd prefer to keep that name vague. I think the Rcat functions better as a sort of miscellaneous place to throw names rather than something with such a narrow scope. Maybe worth renaming if the current RM for Personal name goes through, though. --BDD (talk) 22:45, 10 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The "miscellaneous place to throw names" is definitely ((R from alternative name)). All these other RCATs mentioned are simply narrower scopes of that. I don't see it as too narrow, there's perhaps thousands upon thousands of notable cases where someone goes by a pseudonym and their real/legal name is known. When that's the case, ((R from personal name)) (which I want renamed to ((R from legal name))) should be used as the RCAT. -- Tavix (talk) 22:51, 10 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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@BDD: The template you're describing already exists at ((R from personal name)) (although I now see that it's a bad name, per my above reply to you). -- Tavix (talk) 22:39, 10 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Wikipedia:RfU

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The result of the discussion was Keep and Retarget respectively (non-admin-closure) - CHAMPION (talk) (contributions) (logs) 09:09, 17 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I am aware that the current target was determined through a previous RfD discussion, but it makes no sense that this and WP:RFU have different targets. SSTflyer 13:00, 27 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@SSTflyer: please post the link to the "previous RfD discussion". --SI 11:17, 1 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 August 6#Wikipedia:RfU SSTflyer 03:07, 3 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Created at 21:09, 21 December 2004 as a redirect to Wikipedia:Requests for undeletion (the current target of WP:RfU)
Retargeted at 20:57, 1 January 2005 to Wikipedia:Votes for undeletion
Retargeted at 23:00, 7 November 2005 to Wikipedia:Deletion review (on 18 October 2005, Wikipedia:Votes for undeletion moved to Wikipedia:Deletion review: Was discussed on VFU talk page, consensus in favor of the move.)
Retargeted at 14:59, 8 June 2007 to Category:Requests for unblock ("DRV was renamed in Nov. 2005, institutional memory of this link is effectively gone")
Retargeted at 17:33, 26 October 2005 to Wikipedia:Deletion review
(suggested by User:Ron Ritzman that we revive this page as an easier way to retrieve deleted content. cf. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Deletion_process&oldid=286395208#Proposed_wikiproject.2C_Requests_for_undeletion)
By the end of April 2009 a new process was installed and active, with three shortcuts, not including RFU or RfU
WP:RfU was added to the shortcuts at 01:27, 13 August 2014
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Worthington College

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The result of the discussion was no consensus. --BDD (talk) 15:55, 23 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Not mentioned anywhere in target. - Champion (talk) (contribs) (Formerly TheChampionMan1234) 10:55, 12 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Actually a gsearch gives me quite high up (fifth) a Fellow of St John's College, Cambridge, Tim Worthingtonhere at University of Cambridge's directory, the result of my gsearch but this may just be Gsearch sucking up to me (I didn't go to any college in Cambridge but Google probably knows I lived in Cambridge for a long time so it might tailor its results to that knowledge, the tart).
However, I might hae a useful find in Penn State Worthington Scranton so we could R it there.... "Worthington Scranton joined 11 other Penn State locations as a campus of the University’s Commonwealth College".. but it still isn't called a college. It seems a bit weak, to me, to retarget "college" to something that is one but doesn't call itself one. Nothing links to this, and hits are 1290 a day, so I'm inclined to say delete, but for now, I'll go Weak retarget. Si Trew (talk) 13:32, 12 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Anchor/Redirect Is Worthington a regular setting for the show's episodes? The Dawson's Creek article has a section on Worthington. It could be anchored and redirected there. Fictional schools like Neptune High are okay. AngusWOOF (barksniff) 20:51, 12 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget per Tavix's findings. AngusWOOF (barksniff) 05:50, 21 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Good find with the Worthington Community College. Apparently that was the name of the institution from 1936-1997. The Dawson's Creek should be a hatnote. (For Worthington University, see Dawson's Creek) AngusWOOF (barksniff) 05:50, 21 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Was it used more than Worthington University? [2] [3] Or was it 50/50? Should the header be redone to Worthington College then? AngusWOOF (barksniff) 16:57, 24 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
In the interest of honesty, I'm going to admit that I've never seen one single episode. (In my defense, the program appears excruciatingly boring.) CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 21:22, 27 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Well, to tell you the truth, I've also only recently got onto it and seen the first couple of episodes. Its not bad IMO, but I didn't take it seriously. - CHAMPION (talk) (contributions) (logs) 01:38, 29 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Trump News Network

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The result of the discussion was delete. Deryck C. 11:23, 18 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The term is not mentioned at target. - CHAMPION (talk) (contributions) (logs) 07:37, 10 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Trumpism

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The result of the discussion was keep.---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 01:34, 17 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

This term is not mentioned at target. - CHAMPION (talk) (contributions) (logs) 07:30, 10 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Also, now, the word "Trumpism" and is defined in the lead of the article. pbp 14:10, 10 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
And now it isn't, because somebody got it in there head to take it out, even though it can be sourced. See Talk:Political positions of Donald Trump#Sources that use the term Trumpism for a list of sources that use the term. pbp 05:03, 11 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Donnie Trump

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Parkway South Junior High School shooting

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The result of the discussion was retarget to List of school shootings in the United States#1980s. Thanks for finding that target, NCFF. Since we're now all in agreement, I see no reason to leave this open. -- Tavix (talk) 19:06, 18 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

There's no mention of this shooting to be found at the target article. -- Tavix (talk) 03:19, 10 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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British Columbia Boundaries Act 1863

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The result of the discussion was delete.---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 01:35, 17 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Requesting WP:REDLINK deletion, noting that there's no mention of this Act at the target article. -- Tavix (talk) 02:28, 10 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Who would win in a fight

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The result of the discussion was delete.

I'm curious to hear what other editors think of this redirect. The target does talk about a theory for predicting the outcome of competitions between animals, but I'm also worried that this may WP:SURPRISE readers. What do you think? -- Notecardforfree (talk) 00:41, 10 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Desperation attack

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The result of the discussion was delete.---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 01:35, 17 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Once upon a time, there was an article at this title that had something to do with video games. In 2009, the article was transformed into a redirect to special attack. One year later, the redirect was changed to target Superpower (ability)#Desperation attack. That section no longer exists at the target, and this term is not mentioned at the target. I think that this will likely WP:SURPRISE readers and should be deleted or retargeted to another suitable title. Note that Talk:Desperation attack is a redirect that targets Talk:Special attack. -- Notecardforfree (talk) 01:18, 10 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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