October 15

This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on October 15, 2019.

Taybor Snapping

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The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 19:02, 25 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Taybor Pepper is a snapper. They are not, however, known as "Taybor Snapping". I would suggest deletion. signed, Rosguill talk 23:30, 15 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Dark Father

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The result of the discussion was keep and refine. --BDD (talk) 19:03, 25 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Not equivalent, I would suggest deletion. signed, Rosguill talk 23:25, 15 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Not equivalent, but it comes up often enough in the media. I would suggest redirecting to Darth Vader#Name. UpdateNerd (talk) 00:13, 16 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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BATX

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The result of the discussion was retarget to Big Four tech companies#Other tech companies. --BDD (talk) 18:18, 25 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Targets a disambiguation page which does not mention the topic Wug·a·po·des​ 22:26, 19 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Wugapodes: You shouldn't do that. There's no mention of BAT or BATX at Internet in China and so the disambiguation page entry fails MOS:DABMENTION: a user going to the article will learn nothing about "BATX". You could, if you had a source, put information about BAT/BATX in the article, but unless you do you should revert your edit to the disambiguation page. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 07:47, 6 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I mean, it's kinda common sense? Neither BAT nor BATX are at Internet in China but frWikipedia has an article and googling "BATX china" shows that this is an abbreviation that is used, so it's likely this is an (ambiguous) search term that readers will use and may need disambiguated. Readers aren't looking for information about the term BATX; they're looking for information about internet in China, and I'm not going to add a one line definition of an acronym to an article just to satisfy some arbitrary MOS style when the DAB page manages to do it just fine and without redundancy. You may add the information if you like. Wug·a·po·des​ 20:38, 7 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Wugapodes: This is not the place to challenge MOS:DABACRO. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 17:58, 8 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Shhhnotsoloud: See WP:NOTBURO and WP:IAR, or simply read the top of the page you linked which says "occasional exceptions may apply". We're discussing how this redirect and dab page can best serve our readers, and I've given a very clear line of reasoning as to how ignoring the dab MOS in this instance is better for readers. Choosing a new part of the MOS doesn't explain how this helps or hurts our readers, it's just advocating we mindlessly follow rules. Wug·a·po·des​ 19:42, 8 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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I agree. Thanks @Tavix:. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 21:06, 15 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Spanish Troubles

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The result of the discussion was delete. Will also delete The Spanish Troubles ~ Amory (utc) 10:47, 26 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

This doesn't appear to be a commonly used nickname for the topic, and isn't mentioned at the target. A search of academic literature suggests that this term is either generically used for problems in or with Spain, or more narrowly as a contemporary term for the Spanish Civil War. An internet search mostly returns results about people having trouble with Spanish (results for this also appear in the academic literature). I would suggest deletion due to the lack of a clear correct target. signed, Rosguill talk 22:56, 19 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: I've heard terms such as these used, especially when referencing The Troubles and the similarities between the 2 conflicts. The Spanish Troubles is also a redirect to the Basque conflict, having existed since it was created by another editor in December. It's listed on Troubles (disambiguation) - a page which I have never edited. Jim Michael (talk) 23:07, 19 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I've gone through several pages of Google Scholar results for "Spanish Troubles" and have yet to see a single case referring to the Basque conflict. By far the most significant single subject that is referred to by this term in academic literature is the Spanish Civil War, although there's a fair amount of mentions for pre-20th century conflicts in or with Spain. I would note that most of these uses seem to be from rather old texts, so I would lean toward this being a case of WP:XY rather than a cause for disambiguation. signed, Rosguill talk 23:21, 19 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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I'm puzzled at how little it appears online. If you delete the 2 redirects I created, also delete The Spanish Troubles - which someone else created months earlier. Jim Michael (talk) 14:51, 19 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I think that would be appropriate, and suggest the closer do so in the spirit of WP:NOTBURO. --BDD (talk) 18:15, 25 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Magazines app

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The result of the discussion was delete. Tavix and BDD make convincing arguments, although I'm slightly more inclined towards BDD's take. ~ Amory (utc) 10:44, 26 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Ambiguous, there's a few other magazine apps that this could refer to, such as issuu or Outlook Magazines. I would suggest either deletion, or conversion to a disambiguation page signed, Rosguill talk 15:14, 3 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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QWERT

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The result of the discussion was no consensus. --BDD (talk) 21:08, 24 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Could equally refer to QWERTZ, delete per WP:XY signed, Rosguill talk 23:07, 19 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Well then asdfghjkl is also the home row on QWERTZ but QWERTY is a thousand times more known so it redirects to QWERTY. Similar to how this redirects to QWERTY because of that. Also if it can mean more than just that, please make it a dab page (QWERT may refer to QWERTY or QWERTZ) instead of directly deleting it. Barracuda41 (talk) 00:47, 20 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Rosguill, can you read what he just said? The redirect Qwert has existed since 2006 and QWERT is more meaningful, you know, because it's actually the same capitalisation as the correct one for the keyboard. Barracuda41 (talk) 01:42, 20 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not convinced that these keyboard redirects (that is to say, any combination of keyboard letters other than the actual standard names QWERTY, AZERTY, etc) are actually worth the effort of creating them, but Qwert has seen a fair amount of use so I guess it's fine to keep it. That having been said, a hatnote should be added to QWERTY pointing to QWERTZ, as that's the suggested way to disambiguate between exactly two possible targets where one is clearly primary (full explanation at WP:ONEOTHER). signed, Rosguill talk 04:23, 20 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
It's been added, so can we please close as keep? Barracuda41 (talk) 18:43, 22 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • We would need to show that "QWERT" is used for both QWERTY and QWERTZ. Disambiguation pages aren't created for error that may refer to multiple things. -- Tavix (talk) 13:29, 3 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Relisting comment: Qwert has received a fair amount of discussion so far, so I'm going to officially add it.
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Foursquare

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The result of the discussion was retarget to Four square (disambiguation). In the future, it may be easier to gauge a potential primary topic when the term has pointed to a disambiguation page for a while. --BDD (talk) 21:05, 24 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Foursquare should redirect to Four square (disambiguation), since there is no primary topic among Foursquare City Guide, Foursquare (company), and Four square. — Newslinger talk 21:09, 1 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisting comment: I concur with BDD and would like to know Newslinger's opinion. Keep votes have raised valid points, so i'm relisting to nail down consensus.
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The Irishman (2018 film)

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The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 20:59, 24 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Unused redirect. Mazewaxie (talkcontribs) 15:46, 15 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Camatkarasana (Chamatkarasana)

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The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 20:58, 24 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Odd redirect that never made any sense, providing two alternative spellings - nobody would ever enter both at once, I think. I've created straightforward redirects for the individual spellings. Chiswick Chap (talk) 15:42, 15 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Well spotted, I hadn't seen that one. I'll nominate it now. Chiswick Chap (talk) 13:06, 16 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Urdu Speaking

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Urdu people

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Venerable Master

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The result of the discussion was retarget to The Venerable#Buddhism. Keep's not convincing lacking references, and the proposed target, although quite a change, appears well-referenced. ~ Amory (utc) 10:45, 26 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

"Venerable Master" is not mentioned at the target, the previous mention having been deleted here. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 11:03, 18 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Since my request has gone unanswered, I've WP:CHALLENGED and removed this addition. -- Tavix (talk) 14:47, 24 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Europe's last dictatorship

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The result of the discussion was delete / no consensus. This is an admittedly unusual close. Arguments to delete and to retarget were valid and policy based, and in many such situations, no consensus would mean retargeting, since there's no support for keeping as is. While the previous XfD is older, the facts of the matter really haven't changed in the meantime, and so I consider its decision the appropriate status quo absent consensus for a change. Should someone wish to restore it in the future, I suggest an RfC or talk page discussion to get positive consensus. --BDD (talk) 18:06, 25 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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There is no chronological information in the article, so the reader will not find anything about Europe's "last" dictatorship. Also the article lists four of them. –LaundryPizza03 (d) 12:53, 2 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Svevlad

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The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 15:49, 24 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Target has no mythological list.  — Mr. Guye (talk) (contribs)  00:34, 6 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Happiness (1934 film)

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Riff-Raff (1990 film)

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The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 15:44, 24 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The film was not released in 1990. PC78 (talk) 09:54, 15 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Lefki Komi

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The result of the discussion was keep. --BDD (talk) 15:42, 24 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

not clear that this is actually an alternative spelling of the name. I would suggest deletion unless a justification can be provided. signed, Rosguill talk 02:23, 15 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Lefki Komi is the spelling that is used in File:Periplous of the Erythraean Sea.svg, which is linked to in a number of articles. If that spelling isn't used elsewhere, then the map should be changed to reflect that. --PiMaster3 talk 23:52, 15 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
If no one else with more knowledge of the subject expresses an opinion, I'm ok with this discussion being closed as no consensus/keep. It's possible that that image has an error in it, but I am not enough of an expert on this topic to feel confident making that call myself. signed, Rosguill talk 17:28, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Tomato preserves

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The result of the discussion was retarget to Tomato jam. (non-admin closure) feminist (talk) 13:20, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Not mentioned in the target. I'm fairly certain that these terms do not refer to the same thing, and would thus suggest deletion. signed, Rosguill talk 02:12, 15 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I would support this suggestion. signed, Rosguill talk 02:52, 15 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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List of It characters

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The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 15:09, 24 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

No such list exists at the target at this time. I would suggest deletion. signed, Rosguill talk 02:10, 15 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Please note there is a Draft:List of It characters in progress as well as multiple drafts for the individual characters, and that it could help offload the excessive verbiage in It (2017 film) as well as attract the individual character redirects. Canceling delete vote above AngusWOOF (barksniff) 19:47, 17 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
But the redirect would need to be deleted anyway for that draft to be moved into mainspace, and it also doesn't justify the current mainspace redirect. If anything that seems like a stronger argument for deletion. PC78 (talk) 15:00, 18 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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The Undisputed Kingdom

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The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 15:08, 24 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

These redirects appear to be the result of a page move gone wrong. It's not clear that either of them is pointing to a useful target, nor is it clear that any better targets exist. I would suggest deletion unless justifications can be provided. signed, Rosguill talk 02:04, 15 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Beluj (disambiguation)

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