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Hamas most wanted playing cards

Hamas most wanted playing cards (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Non notable and poorly sourced material. Seems like an excuse to make a list. Selfstudier (talk) 14:14, 14 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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• Delete - no WP:SIGCOV from multiple reliable sources. Only a couple of the sources actually mention the cards - the vast majority of references are about the individual terrorists named and make no mention of the cards. It therefore fails WP:NOTABILITY. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 14:25, 14 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• Delete as fails SIGCOV. LegalSmeagolian (talk)

LegalSmeagolian (talk) 16:13, 14 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• Keep Definitely looks like significant coverage to me in those citations. Probably we should have an overall article on cards like these used in various wars. On a side note I was shocked that a deputy director in the ministry of health should be identified as a target to be killed, though I guess less than I should be consideing what has already happened there. NadVolum (talk) 16:23, 14 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• Keep. There's so many examples of SIGCOV from multiple RS in multiple countries, I'm wondering if a WP:BEFORE was done. [1] [2] (Ynet, Israeli national media outlet in both English and Hebrew), [3] (Jerusalem Post, Israeli national media outlet), [4] (Al Bawaba, Jordan), [5] (Arab World Press, London/Riyadh), [6] (The Messenger, U.S.), [7] (Israel Hayom (Hebrew)), [8] (Skynews Arabia, Arabic), [9] (Al-Arabiya, Saudi), and on and on.

Are there two different decks? Those don't all seem to be covering the same deck... From that coverage it appears that there is a government deck and that there is a "Christian cowboy" deck. This page appears to only cover the first so coverage of the second (for example that J-Post article) doesn't count towards the notability of the first. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 16:56, 14 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I reverted out the clearly irrelevant material about an alternate deck of cards but editor Longhornsg has editwarred it back in. Closer, kindly take note. Selfstudier (talk) 17:18, 14 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Oh, stop with the aspersions. It's not WP:EDITWARRING. This article is about decks of cards of Hamas leaders. Alternate versions are of course relevant, as are song covers to the original, and other variations to originals. Besides, it's one source of many. Longhornsg (talk) 17:22, 14 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The current article is about *a deck* not about decks. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 17:34, 14 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Well, the article currently has information about two distinct decks of cards featuring depictions of Hamas members. 🔥HOTm̵̟͆e̷̜̓s̵̼̊s̸̜̃🔥 (talk・edits) 20:29, 14 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

There are literally five references in the article that aren't directly referencing the death of someone; they're the ones that need to be evaluated when deciding WP:SIGCOV, not the 19 others, referencing that someone was killed. The Messenger source is just reporting on what was in the Ynet article, so there's only four actual sources. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 17:51, 14 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• Keep Sources have been found covering this. Dream Focus 16:49, 14 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• Comment The article presents 4 sources, 3 of them in Hebrew and 1 from an unreliable source, the Messenger (a site that shut down after 6 months in operation). Where is AP, Reuters, NYT, BBC etcetera, any kind of serious source? Selfstudier (talk) 17:06, 14 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  The Messenger shut down because of business reasons, not the quality of its journalism. A plague that has unfortunately afflicted much of the journalism industry [10], [11], [12]. Additional sources are presented above and are all WP:NEWSORGS. The language of a source does not affect its status as an RS. Would it matter if many of the sources were in Arabic? Of course not. We are not limited to the AP, Reuters, NTY, and the BBC or any other sources. Let's not move the goalposts for what constitutes an RS. Longhornsg (talk) 17:16, 14 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• Delete: So it's an "unofficial" deck, why does it need an article? Sourcing barely mentions this "deck" and most are non-RS. Newsweek and the like aren't RS. Seems to be an odd synth of various bits of information, I don't see this as being used in any media. Oaktree b (talk) 18:06, 14 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• Keep Comment: Multiple independent sources about these decks. Sure, the article could use some more info (who actually made the unofficial IDF deck? could use some more sources about the 12-card deck), but WP:NOTCLEANUP. 🔥HOTm̵̟͆e̷̜̓s̵̼̊s̸̜̃🔥 (talk・edits) 20:34, 14 February 2024 (UTC); Edited, Withdrew 'keep' (forgot about WP:SUSTAINED) 🔥HOTm̵̟͆e̷̜̓s̵̼̊s̸̜̃🔥 (talk・edits) 22:35, 14 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• Delete. This reminds me of the "Look What We Made Taylor Swift Do" article that was deleted recently. Technically the playing cards have been described in news media (just as the article "Look What We Made Taylor Swift Do" was), but it's a flash in the pan, not WP:SUSTAINED coverage. The majority of the page's 19 sources cover the death of someone depicted in a card but without mentioning the cards. P-Makoto (she/her) (talk) 21:38, 14 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• Keep as an easy pass of the GNG. gidonb (talk) 01:28, 15 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Delete: The vast majority of the sourcing here is trivial in the extreme, and the few that do cover it more meaningfully are unimpressive with a view to establishing GNG for this topic as a subject of import for a global encyclopedia. Iskandar323 (talk) 19:54, 20 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: More discussion around the extent and scope of extant sources that cover this article's subject would be helpful in bringing this closer to a consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 01:42, 22 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Keep as the sourcing issue has been adequately resolved, and it provides value as a kind of before -after picture of the conflict. FortunateSons (talk) 18:21, 24 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

List of terrorist incidents against Israelis in Israel and the Palestinian territories in 2023

List of terrorist incidents against Israelis in Israel and the Palestinian territories in 2023 (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Created today. A collection of armed attacks against Israelis in Israel. Article misuses the label "terrorist", which goes against MOS:TERRORIST. A number of incidents on the list have not been labelled as terrorism by the linked sources, so we have a fundamental OR/SYNTH problem. The list also indiscriminately includes incidents that are arguably not classified as terrorism (e.g., armed attacks against Israeli military installations or personnel). Finally, it can be argued that the list criteria violate WP:NPOV, since the article only considers attacks against Israelis but not against other nationalities. — kashmīrī ^TALK 12:36, 20 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Which incidents are the ones which you refer to as being "armed attacks against Israeli military installations or personnel"? WikiJunkie (talk) 18:02, 20 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

E.g., January 25. — kashmīrī ^TALK 19:50, 20 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

You're right. January 25 was at a military post, even though it was near a civilian settlement. I removed that instance from the article. WikiJunkie (talk) 04:42, 21 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Perhaps civilians were used as human shields. Good you've removed that incident. — kashmīrī ^TALK 00:48, 22 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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• Keep: Seems to be well-sourced, could perhaps use a rewrite or new title to ensure NPOV, ok otherwise methinks. Oaktree b (talk) 14:36, 20 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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• Comment: It's a translation of an article from the Hebrew Wikipedia that is also titled that there. StreetcarEnjoyer (talk) 19:48, 20 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

We also have many other articles with a similar title. Is it being suggested that we'll also remove the articles List of terrorist incidents in France, Terrorist incidents in Iraq in 2020 and List of terrorist incidents in India for the same reasons? WikiJunkie (talk) 04:51, 21 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

We don't have "terrorist incidents against the French in France", "against the Hindus in India", etc.

Why did you decide not to include terrorism against other nationalities (e.g., the Palestinians) in Israel? — kashmīrī ^TALK 10:06, 21 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

In my opinion the scope of this article and any articles of this type should encompass all instances of terrorism against innocent civilian populations within Israel and the Israeli settlements (we could have a separate set of similar articles for the areas under the control of Hamas and the Palestinian Authority), including acts of Jewish extremist terrorism within Israel and the Israeli settlements. While the current wording was chosen to ensure coverage of the attacks against Israeli civilians in the West Bank, I am open to exploring alternative titles. WikiJunkie (talk) 13:12, 22 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I'd like to emphasize that, in my understanding, the term "Israeli" in this context is intended to encompass all citizens of Israel, including all Arab citizens of Israel (some of whom identify as Palestinians) that represent 21% of Israel's population. (I understand now that some of the people in this discussion might have mistakenly thought that this population is not included in the scope of the article). WikiJunkie (talk) 13:34, 22 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

So why didn't you name the article as "List of terrorist incidents in Israel" and faithfully reflect the sources in the use of the terrorism label? That would be more of a NPOV approach, as the article scope would include also far-right terrorism, Jewish religious extremism, terrorist acts perpetrated by Israeli settlers, and so on (although the issue of MOS:TERRORIST would still remain). — kashmīrī ^TALK 12:14, 25 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• Keep. Amply sourced article. If there are MOS concerns, they can be dealt with. We don't tackle MOS concerns by deleting articles. Coretheapple (talk) 22:09, 20 February 2024 (UTC)'Reply[reply]
• Delete the sourcing arguments would be valid if any of the sources actually dealt with a subject like "List of terrorist incidents against Israelis in Israel and the Palestinian territories in 2023". They are, however, just news reports about individual terrorist attacks and so this list fails WP:NLIST. AryKun (talk) 13:06, 21 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• Delete The whole idea (and praxis!) of the list is racist: why incidents only against “Israelis”, and not against other sorts of people? Either you make a list of attacks against [any sort of] people, or you don’t make a list at all. Such a ‘general’ list however is very much work, which no one will volunteer to undertake – also because it is ‘trivial’ and therefore hardly interesting (in encyclopedic sense): we all know, a sort of (civil) war is going on, there, and in a war, violent attacks are normal – unfortunately. --Corriebertus (talk) 15:40, 21 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• Delete per AryKun. Does not pass NLIST, which requires that the grouping itself be notable. This has not been shown per the sources used in the article. popodameron ⁠talk 18:16, 21 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• Delete per nom and AryKun and Corriebertus. Jebiguess (talk) 22:21, 21 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• Delete per AryKun and Corriebertus. Article is also currently a MOS:TERRORIST minefield, as many of the sources do not appear to directly describe these incidents as terrorism or the perpetrators as terrorists. The edits required to fix this issue would leave an arbitrary list of attacks against Israelis, worsening the WP:NLIST issues.

Article has since been edited to remove "terrorist" titles which, as mentioned, further worsens the WP:NLIST issues. The article is now a WP:NPOV disaster. It only appears to mention violent attacks committed, or allegedly committed, by Palestinians, Arab Israelis, and foreigners from a limited number of countries. The article contains no explanation for this distinction. Ertal72 (talk) 02:00, 25 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• Keep - widely sourced. There are problems to fix, but try to WP:PRESERVE content instead of deleting. –BanyanClimber(talk) 23:46, 21 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  WP:PRESERVE requires the content to meet the three core content policies, however the discussion here is that two out of these three policies are likely not met and so PRESERVE is not applicable. — kashmīrī ^TALK 08:53, 22 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• Delete. I am persuaded by the points made citing MOS:TERRORIST and WP:NLIST, articulated by kashmīrī and AryKun. I tend to be sympathetic to WP:PRESERVE, but here there are policy issues with the premises (terrorist framing and a focus on a single nationality in a geographic area rather than the geographic area in general). P-Makoto (she/her) (talk) 02:38, 22 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• Delete per nom and AryKun and Corriebertus. This violates WP:NPOV and is not an encyclopedia or a notable list. Also delete List of violent attacks against Israelis in Israel and the Palestinian territories in 2022 and List of violent attacks against Israelis in Israel and the Palestinian territories in 2024.Vinegarymass911 (talk) 15:47, 23 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• Delete This original research list has so many problems, starting with the obtuse title, the incidents which aren't even described as terrorism in their sources and the serious NPOV issue that it's not worth saving. AusLondonder (talk) 19:10, 24 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• Delete - inherently violates MOS:TERRORIST. starship.paint (RUN) 06:43, 25 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• Comment: Based on the feedback on this page so far I decided to do several changes to the content of the article: (1) I have changed the name of the article to "List of terrorist incidents in Israel in 2023" (2) I have changed the lead so that it is made clear that the scope of the article should encompass the most prominent terrorist incidents against innocent civilian populations within Israel and the Israeli settlements during 2023 including both far-right terrorism, Jewish extremist terrorism and Palestinian political violence. including acts of Jewish extremist terrorism within Israel and the Israeli settlements (3) I have started the article List of terrorist incidents in the Palestinian territories which is linked in the lead of this article and would focus on the most prominent terrorist incidents carried out by Jewish extremists and settlers against innocent civilian populations within the Palestinian territories. WikiJunkie (talk) 00:02, 27 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

While I plan on further improving and expanding these articles in the following days (also based on the additional feedback from the page), in order for these articles to be as comprehensive, accurate and balanced as possible I plan to also invite editors from the Palestine and Israel Wikiprojects to participate in a collaborative effort aimed at elevating the quality of these articles as much as possible. WikiJunkie (talk) 00:17, 27 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• April 2023 Israel rocket attacks (via WP:PROD on 12 September 2003)