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A while back the spoken article list was moved from Wikipedia:Spoken articles to Category:Spoken articles to avoid self-references. However, there was a proposed solution to this problem but the content was never moved back. Does anybody object to moving the list back to Wikipedia:Spoken articles? This is how Wikipedia:Featured articles is set up and I think the result is cleaner since the category contents don't clutter up the bottom of the page. -SCEhardT 15:18, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
I've just checked the RSS feed, and forty new spoken articles have been added since it was recently updated. That's something of a record. There's a significant body of great work being built up here. Kudos to everyone involved. -- Macropode 13:32, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
Please see this discussion about removing the sex parameter from the spoken article template. -SCEhardT 22:26, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
Here's a little story of woe that hopefully might help others avoid walking into the copyright minefield, as I seem to have done. Back before the article choice guidelines contained the warning against recording articles containing copyrighted text, I recorded the featured articles Homo floresiensis and Cyclone Tracy. These both contain small sections of copyrighted text. At present I don't understand why it seems to be permissable to include this in the article (licensed under the GFDL) but not it's spoken version, but I'm no legal expert, and that's what it says in Wikipedia:Fair use under "Audio clips". It's a guideline, but was apparently put there after discussion with Jimbo, so I'm inclined to take it as read. I had blithely assumed that it was pretty safe to record almost any article, as the spoken recording guidelines suggested.
As a first step to remedying this situation, I've removed the links from the articles. The second would probably be to put the audio files up for deletion. Looking at WP:IFD and related pages, the options get pretty complex, and there doesn't seem to be any precedent for dealing with spoken audio files which are incorrectly licensed under the GFDL. I'd appreciate any guidance from people more familiar with admin-type issues on how to proceed with this. -- Macropode 11:27, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
I almost amended the fair use guidelines since this isn't as bad a situation as it might seem, but the invocation of The Jimbo's name made me think twice. Basically, you're free to record any article on Wikipedia so long as the article itself contains no copyvios, which is where the licensing question comes into play.
If anyone has public speaking experience, there's a rule of thumb that quoting someone's work with proper attribution given to the source is perfectly acceptable (and in fact lends credibility among other things) but using any information without attributing it to a source is the same as written plagiarism. Of course, (1) this is retaining, even distributing, a recording, not just giving a speech and (2) we have a "written" version as well. I imagine it's different in that (1) the quotation length must be within reason - I don't know if the "30 second rule" is for normal text or just music - and used to demonstrate a point rather than just because we feel like it and (2) we can get away without narrating the entire References section, but if there's a quote with a footnote, you'd best be making a note of your own so you can refer to the source without stopping the recording to scroll down or (worse) skipping the citation.
After my last suggestion apparently came off badly, I should say the emphases weren't meant to be authoritative or pissy, just emphasize for clarity. Hopefully that explanation didn't further confuse you guys. I always know what I'm talking about - even when no one else does! ;) Moulder 03:03, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
I had an idea the other day for a way to both increase this project's output significantly and make it more useful (or at least put it to use in cases where screen readers can't do the job). I'm betting a lot of you either are students or at least know one or more teachers or professionals if you're not one already. Why not get out the word and have some of the experts we already know work on articles related to their specialities? You don't have to feel like a nerd, because you'll be soliciting their help for the sake of a good cause (education, accessibility, etc) and the recordings they make can be targeted to meet specific needs:
Anyway, that was longer than I expected, but you get the idea. I'm going to contact a couple people this coming semester, so maybe you guys can do the same. Be creative! Be bold! Be... all you can be? Aha, be smart and get someone else to do it if you think you're in over your head. Moulder 22:38, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
Oh I agree completely, and that's a great way to tackle things. I didn't mean to imply that people like you are incapable of doing this, only that teachers, colleagues, friends can be untapped resources and potentially valuable contributors. The "in over your head" bit was my way of saying don't be discouraged if the task seems too difficult. Moulder 18:49, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
And thankfully, there are Wikipedians around that are patient with people recording articles they have a limited understanding of! For the most part, if you interact with the contributors of the article you are recording, you will have success. Recording an article is painstaking, if for no other reason than that it requires a solid block of free time in relative quiet. I know that is a rarity for me - I am still waiting for a good time to re-record some dunces in a couple of my articles. --Aguerriero (talk) 14:41, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
Hey. I would like to help with this WikiProject, but I can't decide on what article I should do. Can you help and at least give me prehaps one that would benefit from Spoken Wikipedia? Thank you. Uncke Herb!!! 07:50, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
How do I change my accent so I don't have my drawl? I'm from the SouthEastern United States. GangstaEB (sliding logs~dive logs) 01:23, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
Ravenlock posted this a while back: I plan to tackle Star Wars and related links. I just want to know if he's still working on it. He posted that around August 2005 and it's his only contribution to Wikipedia at all (unless he's been going by his IP address after that). I've started recording a spoken version of Star Wars and I plan to be done soon. If he wants to take it back over, he's welcome to... or if somebody wants to slap my wrist for starting a recording, that's fine too :) -- Doran 20:03, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
I finished a spoken article for Rock, Paper, Scissors and tried to upload it over my lame dial-up and it timed out. So, instead, I uploaded it to http://homepage.mac.com/emotive_media/rps.ogg and was hoping some kind soul might DL it then UL it here. Thanks! - Wikifier
The audio pieces produced by this project would be great content for a podcast. Has this been considered? End users could subscribe to individual topic areas, or the entire site, and receive new items in their feed as the recorded articles are uploaded. Of course the ogg vorbis format would be problematic with iPods (I believe). Any thoughts on this? Obeyken 04:45, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
How do I make one? GangstaEB~(penguin logs) 23:01, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
Could you please tell me why the box on Al'kesh is not displaying a date but rather a red link? Thank you. American Patriot 1776 05:13, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
I am very interested in the Spoken Wikipedia Project. I have Windows XP and Office 2003. I can copy and paste an article into Office Word and using the language bar make the Text to Speech function read the article and in the same time record what the computer says using Audacity then save it (ogg format) and export it to Wikipedia. Is this legal? --Meno25 15:24, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
I just decided to join this project. I started out recording a short article (Saint Demetrius of Thessaloniki), and I believe I've stuck to all the criteria, but could an experienced member of the project offer a little feedback? How did I do? Thanks! I look forward to contributing more in the future. --Alekjds 17:50, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
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Likewise, I've just started and chose to do the article on Julius Caesar because it was requested. What I'd love to have is a second set of ears tell me how well I did and what improvements need be made. It's a long article, though—the audio is in three parts and about an hour in length—so I understand if no one wants to take the time. Thanks a lot if you do! --Kevin F. Story 17:14, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
I have the highest admiration and respect for the people in this project, having attempted this several times. I'm thinking of contributing a few myself; to start off, guidelines and policies. Crystallina 05:00, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
WP:IT says at the top "See the appropriate section on WP:SPOKEN" if you're trying to upload a spoken sound file. Where's the section here? Thanx. 68.39.174.238 21:00, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
In a week or so I'm going to attempt recording the Gilberto Silva article. My question is: should I pronounce foreign words/names with an English or Portuguese accent? For example, his full name, Gilberto Aperacido da Silva is phoenetically pronounced as GiwBERtoo AperaSEEdoo da SIWva (caps indicate the word's accent) and his home state in Brazil, Minas Gerais is pronounced MINah-sheh-RAISH. While I roughly know how the words should be pronounced, I am not a native Portuguese speaker, so my imitated accent would be slightly wrong in the ears of a Portuguese person. Should I just pronounce it with an obvious English (in my case British) accent? Or shall I pronounce it as Portuguese as I can? Is there a guideline on this?
Thanks for your time, -GilbertoSilvaFan 16:55, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
Someone I know is learning English, so I said "Hey, you should listen to Wikipedia articles while reading the text". Unfortunatley, there is no way for a non-experience wikipedian to do this. The navigation tools and data layout are completely useless for doing this. For contributors with a few thousand edits, it's fine. We all know where to find the audio infobox, and how to get the version of the page from which the recording was made, and we know the difference between a wrongly written infobox and a shortcoming in our knowledge.
Y'know what would be great? A 2-column list with the audio file on the left (linking to the .ogg) and on the right would be the article from which the audiofile was made. Sorted alphabetically. Also great would be if the list could also be viewed sorted into some categories.
I don't know how to do that, but it hit me that what is needed is an entry point to Wikipedia for people looking for articles with accompanying audio. Wikipedia's alternative entry points are Portals. So I'd like a "Portal:Read_and_Listen" to exist (or whatever name). I could do some of the work (or all of the work if I set low enough standards :-). Does anything like this already exist on English Wikipedia? On other language Wikipedias? Anyone have other suggestions for what a good portal would include? Input appreciated, thanks. Gronky 17:34, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
If a user was to record only the first section or two of an article, how would he or she add the file to the article, since the whole article isn't spoken? Robert 00:11, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
Is there a specific place with accents to choose from? I'm not quite sure how to classify my accent; I'm from New York, but I speak with relativly little of that accent. But saying it's just "American" would be too subjective... Robert 00:27, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
Does anybody have any suggestions for, or objections to, this? As it stands, I think it might be giving people the misleading impression that it's acceptable to upload computer-synthesised spoken articles. -- Macropode 12:54, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
Should we include the "see also" sections of articles in the spoken version?
I am interested in recording Acetic acid: it's featured, it's fairly stable, and I'm studying Chemistry, so I shouldn't pronounce anything too badly (although I will say 'aluminium' as it's written :) ). I was wondering how I should go about reading out the chemical equations, though. I generally read --> as "goes to" and the equilibrium arrow (there's an example in the middle of this image) as "is in equilibrium with". Should I go with that?
Thanks, and congratulations to everyone who's been working on this project so far. riana_dzasta 13:49, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
Hello. The WikiProject Council has recently updated the Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Directory. This new directory includes a variety of categories and subcategories which will, with luck, potentially draw new members to the projects who are interested in those specific subjects. Please review the directory and make any changes to the entries for your project that you see fit. There is also a directory of portals, at User:B2T2/Portal, listing all the existing portals. Feel free to add any of them to the portals or comments section of your entries in the directory. The three columns regarding assessment, peer review, and collaboration are included in the directory for both the use of the projects themselves and for that of others. Having such departments will allow a project to more quickly and easily identify its most important articles and its articles in greatest need of improvement. If you have not already done so, please consider whether your project would benefit from having departments which deal in these matters. It is my hope that all the changes to the directory can be finished by the first of next month. Please feel free to make any changes you see fit to the entries for your project before then. If you should have any questions regarding this matter, please do not hesitate to contact me. Thank you. B2T2 14:20, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
I have included an example of how text to audio-visual and be done with software and web page hosting. I have explained briefly how this can be done of on the following discussion page of Treaty of Waitangi.RoddyYoung 21:51, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
I submitted a request at the beginning of October, but hasn't been responded to yet (Cool (song)). Are articles ordered in a queue of the sorts? Velten 22:41, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
I'm interested in doing a recording of the current featured article at this time (Bricker Amendment) but I'm not sure what revision to use. Because the article text can change at any time it's quality can, too. So I wanted to get the "Featured Article" approved version but I can't tell when that was. There have been a few dozen edits done to the article today (including removing vandalism). And the Fetaured Article pages link just to the current version (shouldn't they link to the featured iteration of the article?) so how do I figure out which version is the "correct" one?
P.S. (Slightly offtopic) Aren't featured articles supposed to be locked from editing during their time on the front page because they are a more visible target for vadalism? -SeaFox 01:01, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
The youtube link to what is discussed Treaty of Waitangi time line. A result of a personal project that was started in 2005 while a student at Waikato University in the School and Māori and Pacific Development and a student in Te Wananga o Aotearoa as a year one and two Ata Reo student. The process started with a programme that turns text into audio. First the book was scanned in to the computer and optical character recognition (OCR) was used to ready the text for it to be turned into MP3 files. These files in audio form were loaded into Movie maker (a free programme found in the start menue under accessory in the microsoft opperating system.) Note the text to audio programme was not trained to pronounce Māori words and greatly weakens this word as it needs to be reworked with better pronunciation. The pictures were scanned into the computer next and imported into movie maker and lined up to match the audio visual commentary. Text was added to the beginning and end of the audio visual segments and saved as one file. This file was not used for 12 months until www.youtube.com was read about on a BBC news artical. The file was broken up into 7 segments of approx. ten minutes long and words were added to beginning and end. A group was started in a person page in Youtube and the seven video's were uploaded on to that site. TPK was informed of the work at this stage and though was given to contact the Turnbull library for copy right matters to do with the images. This work is in progress and has taken another step today now that this link to wikipedia has been made. Next the link between youtube and wikipedia was made on 28 October 2006 after reading http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Spoken_Wikipedia. The idea to develope the use of the process outlined to help in the wikipedia needed an example of it worked in principle and so linking off the wikipedia page on Treaty of Waitangi become a great way to work both together as a scientific project. I have seen the Treaty of Waitangi Road show in Rotorua, a truck that travels New Zealand and stops in parks and sports grounds and unloads an audio visual presentation display. The book that I used for my project is featured in the hand outs of presentation. As a part treasurer of my local Kohanga Reo I am passionate to see the languge of Māori developed as the offical mother tounge of Aotearoa. I have offered this project as part of this. At a recent launch of a Te Reo strategy by the Iwi Raukawa I took a video of the launch and it was after that night that I put my work onto youtube. The process took both Saturday and Sunday but I feel it was in the true spirit of what was being asked and offered by Raukawa. It was a labour of love. Now this process has moved one step further along now that the world can read and hear the story of the greatest navigating people's on the planet which is on a scientific level with the apolo missions of NASA. If you have any questions please email me on young.roderick@gmail.com RoddyYoung 09:51, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
I have been following this project for awhile, but I haven't had the occasion to post here yet. When I saw a Text to speech tool (Phoneticom) used at Agoravox a Citizen journalism site, I thought that Wikipedia can benefit from it too; I have then contacted Readspeaker who have helped me to conduct a test in Wikipedia, the result is still rough on the edges as this is just a test, but I think that there is a very good potential there. Readspeaker told me they would agree to let Wikipedia use their tool at no charges, of course if we go for a such tool, the exact conditions need to be defined in a way that suit both parties. Anyway, consider this as just an experiment, I would like to have your feedback guys, thanks.--Khalid hassani 21:55, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
I managed to record the Sarajevo article which was requested a while ago, but I uploaded to the commons [2] since some people in the comments archives implied that was the place media files should rightly go. However, none of the how-to for linking it to the article or categories works anymore (I have no problems making audio files, but sometimes I don't really understand how to link thinks agross wikis). Maybe someone can help clear this up-- I can just reload it to en.wikipedia if that is the best thing. And if anyone knows how to link it to the Sarajevo article please feel free to, although it would be useful for the future to know how ;) Dan Carkner 19:28, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
Hi, not trying to be snarky, I'm just trying to figure out how we know if people are getting real use out of the spoken articles project. I'm a science educator by trade and a public speaker, and was planning on doing a run through of the science featured articles and do spoken versions of as many as I have time for. However, I'm trying to decide how much time to throw at it, and gauge the interest level. Anyone here get a lot of use out of them? Has anyone heard from a blind school who uses them? People who podcast them and listen on their iPods on the way to work? Thanks for your comments! Phidauex 21:49, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
Try and get boomaga from the YTMND dramtic reading site, he has a nice voice and is a good voice actor.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.123.153.254 (talk • contribs)
Stop me if anyone have suggested this before, but have anyone tried "promoting" this project against schools?
Young(-ish) people can produce just as high quality recordings as anyone else (listen for example to Image:Sandpit.ogg or Image:Fork.ogg). What I'm thinking is that a teacher can either pick out some suitable articles or ask students to pick a suitable article themselves, and then use these for reading classes. The results could be recorded and contributed back to us. This could be a (hopefully) fun, educational and usefull project, can be combined with media classes or whatever too (redocring editing etc). That should at least turn out some usefull recordings. Something worth asking the Foundation people to consider the next time they go on a "tour" maybe?
Love the RRS feed by the way, I've been listening for a couple solid hours now, the majority is fairly good quality. --Sherool (talk) 12:08, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
Hello, all. It was initially my hope to try to have this done as part of Esperanza's proposal for an appreciation week to end on Wikipedia Day, January 15. However, several people have once again proposed the entirety of Esperanza for deletion, so that might not work. It was the intention of the Appreciation Week proposal to set aside a given time when the various individuals who have made significant, valuable contributions to the encyclopedia would be recognized and honored. I believe that, with some effort, this could still be done. My proposal is to, with luck, try to organize the various WikiProjects and other entities of wikipedia to take part in a larger celebrartion of its contributors to take place in January, probably beginning January 15, 2007. I have created yet another new subpage for myself (a weakness of mine, I'm afraid) at User talk:Badbilltucker/Appreciation Week where I would greatly appreciate any indications from the members of this project as to whether and how they might be willing and/or able to assist in recognizing the contributions of our editors. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 19:33, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
Really! To everyone who's put their time and effort into this little WikiProject over the past year. -- Macropode 05:30, 31 December 2006 (UTC)