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Hey people. I'm currently in Taiwan and enjoying it thoroughly. I like updating the banzuke on wiki so much that I hoped to do it this morning at my hostel but more and more places don't have PCs since the age of smart phones. I will try at my next guest house tonight. Someone else can do it but if you don't mind waiting a day or two I'm happy to do it. FourTildes (talk) 02:02, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I think I covered everything up to now on my steam-driven Lancashire-built difference engine laptop. Tigerboy1966  21:00, 22 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I saw that. Appreciated! FourTildes (talk) 03:14, 23 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The Kisenosato article is a candidate to be linked on the main page in the "In The News" section but it needs more references – please help out if you can.--Pawnkingthree (talk) 14:19, 25 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• It's there now: special prize (wiki-shō) to Pawnkingthree for adding the references that ensured its place. I think the last two sumo articles to make the front page were the deaths of Kitanoumi and Chiyonofuji so its good to get a positive story up there. Tigerboy1966  19:12, 25 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Why thank you:-) Interesting to note that yokozuna promotions are regarded as automatically worthy of inclusion according to Wikipedia:In the news/Recurring items - I wasn't aware of that.--Pawnkingthree (talk) 19:16, 25 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I just saw this, thanks for putting in the work. Looks good! FourTildes (talk) 12:05, 26 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Does anyone have this one in their sandbox? If not I'll get it done over the next few days. The big lad in the gold belt fulfills the criteria, and looks capable of being a makuuchi regular for a few years especially as he seems to have added a bit of variety to his flat-out power-shoving technique. Tigerboy1966  21:26, 31 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I'm fine with you taking this one. Pawnkingthree (talk) 02:21, 1 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Article posted. I couldn't work out all the Japanese wiki article. There seems to be a suggestion that he his related to Wajima Hiroshi but I can't be sure about that. Tigerboy1966  20:14, 2 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

He is a distant relative apparently. When he changed his shikona he also changed his given name to the same kanji as Wajima's given name, although it is read as Taishi rather than Hiroshi.--Pawnkingthree (talk) 20:30, 2 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I was thinking about making one myself, he has certainly earned it even beyond the criteria. Shouldn't have let you beat me to him. Heh. His shikona also inspires me, it means something like to shine or sparkle, be glorious, and it's just one character which is rare. I'll check out your article. FourTildes (talk) 22:07, 2 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The article about the train gives the meaning as glitter or luster, but it's written differently so I wasn't sure if it transferred to the wrestler. Looking at it again I think it's just that the train name is written in one of the phonetic scripts rather than kanji. Tigerboy1966  09:27, 4 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, writing something in hiragana especially is often done to give a name a simpler, more approachable feel. FourTildes (talk) 12:49, 4 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Got inspired, I am working on Nishikigi. FourTildes (talk) 08:32, 3 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Looks good. I added my patented Fighting Style section ;-) --Pawnkingthree (talk) 18:38, 3 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Right. Thanks for that. I should give it a shot once. In exchange maybe I could con someone into doing the referencing work next time - I think I'd rather be in a prolonged edit war than do the referencing work. Heh. FourTildes (talk) 23:15, 3 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

We could do with someone working on references - I realized when helping to get Kisenosato and Tokitenku ready for the front page that many of our sumo bios are lacking them.--Pawnkingthree (talk) 18:15, 5 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Now I'm moving on to Takakeisho, qualifies because of his juryo championship exception. FourTildes (talk) 02:19, 4 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I have nominated Tokitenkū as a recent death candidate at the In The News nominations page. There may be calls for the referencing of the article to be further improved. AtHomeIn神戸 (talk) 02:20, 1 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I will add some references tomorrow. Pawnkingthree (talk) 02:30, 1 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Well you see to have done most of the work :-) There are two "citation needed" tags though - for the claim that he was the first since Takanonami to have six straight make-koshi in a year, and first since 1988 to jump from maegashira 8 to komusubi. I've searched but I can find no English language refs for those. Perhaps Japanese ones exist?--Pawnkingthree (talk) 20:31, 1 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I was searching for Japanese sources yesterday but came up blank too. That he had six straight makekoshi and jumped from maegashira 8 to komusubi are simple facts that are easy to ascertain by looking at his record. The problem is the comparison to other wrestlers. I assume it has been copied from the Japanese wiki article at some stage. It may have been added there by someone who heard it mentioned on the television or discovered it from their own research. If we can't source it, then I think it should be removed. AtHomeIn神戸 (talk) 00:33, 2 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I was doing some research myself on Sumo Reference and discovered through a query that the "maegashira 8 to komusubi" trivia is in fact a 10-5 at maegashira 8 to komusubi! Other rikishi have achieved such a leap since 1988 with better scores. I'm not sure if a Sumo Reference query would past muster as a reference and even if it did, it's hardly worth including. I'm fine with the removal and good to see Tokitenku on the front page. Thanks for making the nomination.--Pawnkingthree (talk) 13:16, 2 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I have created an article alert subscription for the sumo project. If you add Wikipedia:WikiProject Sumo/Article alerts to your watchlist, you can see notifications of any articles being nominated for deletion, GA, etc. AtHomeIn神戸 (talk) 05:57, 1 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I have done so. Thank you for this.--Pawnkingthree (talk) 12:56, 1 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I have also. Much appreciated Athomeinkobe. FourTildes (talk) 02:53, 2 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Added. Tigerboy1966  08:50, 2 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Better late than never. Added. FourTildes (talk) 20:29, 24 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

This newly formed stable (as of Jan 26th) already has an entry on the JSA site here but I wanted to ask opinions before creating a new article. It is basically a reincarnation of recently dissolved Kasugayama stable with a new head coach (the reasons behind it are a bit complicated but basically the previous head was kicked out for not being eligible to run a stable.) Should we re-name the existing article or treat it as a separate entity and start a new one?--Pawnkingthree (talk) 18:20, 3 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I am losing touch, hadn't heard about this. I am in a bit of a downturn in sumo interest recently (though I still love working on wikipedia). The way they handled it on the Jawiki is of course amending the old Nakagawa article with a pretense at some kind of continuity. My thinking is: many wrestlers retired - it's got a new head - the location has changed (I used the address someone added to jawiki yesterday, I even made sure it wasn't just lazy location editing from the old Nakagawa stable). So, it seems prudent that it be a new article, Nakagawa stable (2017), with a prominent link to its Kasugayama incarnation. FourTildes (talk) 23:42, 3 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

It just occurred to me that part of your thinking might be there isn't a lot to write about beyond the bare figures if we leave all the Kasugayama history and happenings, references etc. to the old article. I guess the same purpose could be served using the same article with a new name. If that was your thinking I am not opposed to an article name change instead. Addendum: It appears it is in the Tokitsukaze ichimon FourTildes (talk) 23:46, 3 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

My view is that it should be a new article. It's not like the Kise situation, where the same wrestlers and head coach went back. It's a new name, new head, a lot of the old wrestlers retired. Enough for a separate article.--Pawnkingthree (talk) 18:20, 5 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

That was my first instinct. Another smaller argument for simply changing the name is less chance of a run in with the notability patrol - as it seems a lot of content would get left to Kasugayama stable and leave too little to put in the article. However, I am certainly not against a new Nakagawa article in principle. Either way, if someone is ready to start an article or change the current one so all heya are represented, go ahead. FourTildes (talk) 02:30, 8 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

There is a separate article, distinct from Kasugayama stable on the Japanese Wikpedia here. That seems to be the way to go.--Pawnkingthree (talk) 13:45, 1 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Wasn't sure if it would be missed if I asked on the article talk page - shouldn't that one be at Amūru Mitsuhiro? Zeyes (talk) 00:34, 4 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The diacritic is usually done when it is within one kanji. When it is an elongated vowel due to two consecutive kanji it is usually not used. Hidenoumi and Tokitsuumi are other examples. FourTildes (talk) 05:01, 4 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

But that's not the case... 阿 = A, 夢 = mū, 露 = ru. The long vowel on the second kanji is a non-standard reading. (As is "ru" rather than "ro" for 露, really.) The ja.wiki article on him alludes to that, saying in a footnote that his shikona is often mistaken to be 'Amuro' アムロ. The kanji are also meant to reproduce the kana reading for the Amur River, which is アムール, not アムウル. Zeyes (talk) 09:36, 4 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds convincing to me. I knew the origin of his name, but not the information about a non-standard reading. Feel free to fix this. FourTildes (talk) 12:28, 6 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Moved.--Pawnkingthree (talk) 15:23, 7 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I know most of the focus here on sumo wiki of late is the current sport, but there are a few past rikishi that deserve article that have still been overlooked. Kitanonada is a great example. A very solid makuuchi career and he is way up on the all time kinboshi list. Anyone care to take a crack? Kitanonada stats

I put him in the "Articles Needed" section a while back. Ten kinboshi is definitely worthy. I'll give it a go.--Pawnkingthree (talk) 20:24, 22 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I have made a start here. I have also managed to track down an obituary from Sumo World magazine which I'll use as a reference.--Pawnkingthree (talk) 13:59, 23 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Excellent! Just checked it out and made a few changes (career format mostly). Thanks for that; it is now quite clear how in need of an article he was. It seems to me that if anyone is in a top 10 or so list of achievements deserves this recognition. And here is another one; Ohikari Any takers? :) FourTildes (talk) 22:51, 23 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks so much for converting the tourney table into pre-modern and modern versions. I just copied over from the Japanese article to save time but it looks much better in your format. --Pawnkingthree (talk) 23:50, 23 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I think you were pretty busy a while back, but I redid tourney table formats to better reflect changes in them over time and then went through and changed every past rikishi's tables appropriately; it took ages but I enjoyed it. I even gave tables to some rikishi who were never given them on jawiki. FourTildes (talk) 23:32, 25 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I have created a couple more articles on past wrestlers, Kotonishiki Noboru (still a stub) and Wakanoyama.--Pawnkingthree (talk) 17:39, 26 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

An RFC has recently been started regarding a potential change to the notability guidelines for sportspeople. Please join in the conversation. Thank you. Primefac (talk) 23:09, 5 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

This article [1] states that Takayasu is "the fourth ozeki since the Showa era (1926-1989) to use his real family name as his wrestling name". I can find Dejima Takeharu and Kōji Kitao (who didn't become Futahaguro until he was promoted to yokozuna). Anyone know the other one? Tigerboy1966  07:55, 1 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

That would be Wajima Hiroshi.--Pawnkingthree (talk) 13:20, 1 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for spotting that. Tigerboy1966  20:51, 1 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Just wondering if there are any opinions/preferences on how to handle the article for ex-Kotooshu's new Naruto-beya, because the current situation seems a bit awkward.

A) Put it at Naruto stable which currently redirects to Tagonoura stable (2013) and just leave a hatnote pointing to the older heya's article, or
B) keep the new article at Naruto stable (2017), change the Naruto stable redirect to point to that and do the hatnote thing, or
C) keep the new article at Naruto stable (2017), and turn Naruto stable into a dab page for both incarnations?

It's a bit of a different situation from most heya name re-uses since one of the stables in question no longer has its article at that name at all, but it's arguably still very well known under that name anyway (having used it for 25 years), so I'm not sure if the current stable has / will have enough primacy to deserve the plain name (option A), but on the other hand it's a bit strange that Naruto stable doesn't lead to the current incarnation at all. Zeyes (talk) 12:51, 11 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

We had an issue when the Matsugane stable changed its name to Nishonoseki and there was a debate over whether the active stable or the historically prestigious but defunct one was the primary topic. The decision was made that the historical one was the primary, and that's what we've gone for since then for consistency's sake, with the "new" Isegahama stable (2007), Musashigawa stable (2013), Nishonoseki stable (2014), Asahiyama stable (2016) and Naruto stable (2017) having their founding or switch-over dates in the title and the older heya articles with the plain names. You'll notice that Musashigawa stable redirects to Fujishima stable (2010) in a similar way to Tagonoura stable (2013). Apparently per WP:TWODABS you're not supposed to have a dab page where there are only two articles and one can be identified as a primary one. But looking at your suggestions I think option B is the best. Currently we have both Naruto stable and Tagonoura stable redirecting to Tagonoura stable (2013), which doesn't seem right. It's definitely a problem that someone looking for Kotooshu's stable could be lead to an article (ie Tagonoura 2013) that doesn't mention it at all! I say let's redirect Naruto stable to Kotooshu's stable and leave a hatnote for anyone who was looking for Takanosato's heya. That would avoid the need for a page move which might led to a revert like what happened in the Nishonoseki case. --Pawnkingthree (talk) 14:57, 11 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I didn't even realize the new stable has an article already until my suggestion/guess about its probable location didn't turn up as a redlink... (Hence the edit mess I left on here earlier.) What tripped me additionally is that the "current Naruto incarnation" link on the project page points to Tagonoura, which made me think there's no new article to link to yet. :) Anyway, I tend to agree with you about B being the probably best option. I do suspect though that we're going to be violating at least one Wiki guideline by having a solitary Naruto stable (xxxx) disambiguated page... Would it make sense to create Naruto stable (1989) as a redirect to Tagonoura (2013) or would that be silly because nobody's actually going to be searching for it by that name? Zeyes (talk) 18:40, 11 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Just to add, the Naruto 1989 addition might also help with the handful of articles (such as Takanowaka) which currently link just to Naruto stable and assume that to be a redirect to Tagonoura. Obviously those could just be done as a piped Naruto stable link, but that veers a bit into WP:ASTONISH territory for me. Zeyes (talk) 18:45, 11 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Naruto stable (1989) might not be searched very often but it's not totally implausible so I don't see the harm in creating it. Whether we do that or pipe the links in those handful of articles it would be a similar amount of work and wouldn't take too long. Incidentally I'm not totally convinced that using the year of founding is the best way to disambiguate but I can't think of a better alternative. Naruto stable (Kotooshu) and Naruto stable (Takanosato)? Perhaps best not go there...--Pawnkingthree (talk) 19:32, 11 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The "sumo way" of disambiguating stable names would probably be by kabu generation, making the old stable "Naruto stable (13th-14th generation)" and the new one "Naruto stable (15th generation)". I'm somewhat unconvinced that that would fly on Wikipedia though. :) As that little detour might indicate, I also don't really have any more practical ideas than doing it by years. The shikona option looks nice at first glance, but I feel it's liable to misinform a bit because stables aren't really talked about in terms of their shisho's old ring name, so it smacks of being an OR-ish classification style. Zeyes (talk) 02:17, 12 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I definitely think Naruto stable should no longer link to former Naruto Tagonoura, there are lots of new people interested who would be confused by this, and Kotooshu Naruto oyakata is on social media getting the word out about his heya. I think that should definitely be changed. FourTildes (talk) 00:30, 13 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

As there have been no objections I've gone ahead and made the change. I've also created the Naruto stable (1989) redirect.--Pawnkingthree (talk) 20:13, 18 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Has anyone started a sandbox article for Ōnoshō yet. If not I can get one up and posted this week. I know he is only in his second makuuchi tournament, but he has a special prize already and looks likely to be around for a long time. I dont much care for his attitude btw but if I was that good and 21 years old I might be a bit cocky. Tigerboy1966  14:50, 16 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

My sandbox article here User:Tigerboy1966/sandbox10. Tigerboy1966  16:35, 16 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

He's doing well in his second tournament and he's clearly notable. I haven't been working on him myself, so I have no objections.--Pawnkingthree (talk) 20:19, 18 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I was thinking that it might be useful to also highlight jun-yusho in the basho templates on sumo wrestlers' pages. Currently we only highlight yusho as green boxes with a thick border. A couple of reasons I can think of for listing them:

• They are considered significant for yokozuna promotion, e.g. why Kisenosato was promoted while having only one yusho.
• They are listed on Sumo DB.
• Jun-yusho is a massive achievement and helps easily visualize a wrestler's strength when browsing their basho record.

We could then display the basho with a yellow background color for example. Of course, it seems we are currently not passing this information into the template, so this would require going all the way back into the record to manually add the parameter for every rikishi... so I can understand if it's not an undertaking anyone is eager to start. Dada78641 (talk) 14:49, 23 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

In principle I don't object to the idea. I agree with you that it will give a better idea of a wrestler's strength - Kisenosato's table would certainly look very different. But I'm a) not good at the technical stuff that would be required to change the template - and b) unwilling to commit to the workload until I have more of an idea as to how many articles would be involved. It would certainly be more than the yusho winners, because a tournament can have two or three joint-runners up. And we already display yusho-doten with the "P" symbol - would we have to scrap that and introduce two different colours to distinguish between yusho-doten and jun-yusho?--Pawnkingthree (talk) 13:32, 24 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

By and large, what PK3 said. It is a big step. I am not entirely sure of its usefulness to the average sumo enthusiast who comes to wikipedia; as interesting as it might be to us. Even now, if you know enough about sumo you can spot likely jun-yusho in the lead up to a rikishi's promotion to yokozuna for example. And there is the workload. It would take quite a long time. I have done a lot of grunt work for the sumo articles (usually the career tables) over the years after we reached a consensus (most often in cases where I came up with the idea, so I can't complain) and I feel I can speak from experience just what an undertaking it would be. I do appreciate people are still coming along with ideas, and I hope to see more of Dada's contributions to the sumo info on wiki. FourTildes (talk) 22:06, 24 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

FWIW, 71 rikishi have scored a makuuchi jun-yusho since 1989. In addition, I would guess that nearly every article of a pre-1989 rikishi would be affected as anyone from back then who has actually been written up for an article was probably good enough to have a jun-yusho on their record. So at a guess...120 to 150 articles to check/change the tournament tables? Quite a workload indeed. Adjusting the template would probably significantly less of an issue. Speaking of which, I see there's a mysterious "UNYUSHO" parameter in the template which creates a large blue border for the basho results cell - is that used anywhere, and if not, what was it meant to be for? Is it a typo for "JUNYUSHO"? If so, the template already supports this change and only the table footer would have to be adjusted. Zeyes (talk) 02:21, 25 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

After some further investigation, that (j)unyusho template code is probably unusable in its current form as it's written in the style ordinarily reserved for kyujo/suspended etc. tournaments, i.e. not really meant to apply to basho with results. However, the code that creates the green cells should be easily adapted to give some other colour for jun-yusho results; the only change that would need to be made in tournament tables is to put a "j" (or whatever) parameter in the same places that currently take the "y" parameters to create the green cells for yusho. So, the total effort required would be to compare a boatload of post-1909 rikishi articles to Sumo Reference and adjust for jun-yusho performances.

PS: Independent of what's going to come out of this jun-yusho discussion, I've extended Template:Sumo rank to make sandanme tsukedashi designations possible while I was looking at it anyway, since these will be necessary soon enough. Zeyes (talk) 03:06, 25 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

It might be possible to automate this to some degree. Maybe even automate the edits. I'm not sure though. Wikipedia is notoriously difficult to edit programmatically. Here's a complete list of jun-yusho. We would go through them programmatically one by one, take the date (1909.06 for the first one), take the article source (Hitachiyama Taniemon) and, in this case, search for the second "basho" template, and add |j to it. The two difficult issues are 1) finding the correct article for each rikishi, since Wikipedia uses macron vowels in the names and Sumo DB doesn't, and 2) accounting for the changes in how many basho there are per year. I might do some work on this when I have spare time, just to see if this is a feasible approach at all... Dada78641 (talk) 10:39, 25 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I tried out the UNYUSHO parameter mentioned by Zeyes in my sandbox here. It's definitely not been used anywhere before. It's cumbersome to fill out for the reasons Zeye cites - it follows the "intai" formula and therefore I couldn't work out how to include the sansho in Kisenosato's first jun-yusho- but I just wanted to see how it looked. Using a "j" as we use the "y" now would be the way to go.--Pawnkingthree (talk) 20:26, 25 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I ended up experimenting with a sandbox version of the Basho template yesterday to recreate the way the yusho=Y parameter is handled, and I've successfully extended it to accept J, so it should cooperate just as well with sansho etc. markup. Results preview here. One thing I was wondering a bit even just from that three-year example: Could that end up looking a bit "busy" for the big guns who have lots and lots of both yusho and jun-yusho?

FWIW, the P for playoffs listing style wouldn't be affected, IMHO. It would just work out as:

• green box = outright yusho
• green box + P-denoted record = yusho after playoff win
• blue box + P-denoted record = jun-yusho after playoff loss (= yusho-doten)
• blue box = regular jun-yusho

So I don't think anything beyond adding J parameters would need to be changed. Zeyes (talk) 23:29, 25 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Looking at the sandbox version I'd just like to point out that the blue jumps off the screen rather more than the green: we don't want to make the runners-up more prominent than the winners do we? Tigerboy1966  07:59, 26 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. We should change to a less prominent colour. Pawnkingthree (talk) 14:33, 26 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

(outdent) Yeah, that's probably what contributed to my impression that it looks too busy, too. Yellow was suggested at the very start, but I think that would be even more extreme. Alternative proposal with a light brown background and various darker shades for the box (for ease, all taken from the named colours list - Wheat for the background, Tan/Peru/Sienna for the box): image. My preference would be for the middle version among those; enough of a colour difference between background and box, but also far enough from the intai-red (the Sienna brown frame in v3 veers close to that). That was just what first came to mind though, maybe there are superior choices. With red, green and gray taken, and blue and yellow too strong, I struggled a bit to come up with something. Zeyes (talk) 15:59, 26 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

No opinions either way...? BTW, I'm volunteering to do the revising of the tournament tables if that's the hold-up. Need to hash out first if it's seen as a worthwhile change/addition to begin with, of course. Zeyes (talk) 06:46, 29 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

My preference is actually for the first one. My problem with the other two is that the frame is too dark and therefore too similar to the yusho box. For me the first one is better because the jun-yusho fade more into the background, and the yusho, being more important, rightly stand out more. Pinging Kaiketsu to see if he has an opinion. And thank you for volunteering! Pawnkingthree (talk) 23:26, 29 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Fair point. As there doesn't seem to be any opposition to adding jun-yusho displays in principle, I'll go ahead and start doing that, and use the lightest colours for now. Those are easily changed if the consensus ends up favouring different colour tones in the end.

I'll drop a progress counter into the "articles that need attention" section of the project page. If anyone wants to claim parts of the workload, feel free to do that there. Zeyes (talk) 08:06, 31 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

And done. Many thanks for the assistance, PK3. :) Zeyes (talk) 15:40, 1 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

You're welcome. Let's keep that progress counter there - it's useful to know which of those rikishi still need articles (Ōnosato is certainly a glaring omission).--Pawnkingthree (talk) 15:50, 1 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

As it happens, I've worked up a little something bigger for the needed articles section in between the jun-yusho grindwork. ;) Zeyes (talk) 16:10, 1 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

That's great! Thanks.--Pawnkingthree (talk) 16:15, 1 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Your comment about the jun-yusho guys prompted me to add a couple more...all 8 rikishi with multiple JY are now listed in the table. 6 of them are arguably notable for other stuff as well and were already on there. Zeyes (talk) 16:29, 1 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Just for reference, if I didn't make any mistakes along the way, that list is exhaustive for rikishi with a 5+ silverware count, or 50+ makuuchi basho, or 40+ basho and active mainly before 1958. There are probably further noteworthy rikishi beyond these, especially among guys who ran stables afterwards (Tamanoumi Umekichi comes to mind), but tackling the kabu archives was a step too far at the moment. The current 30 should provide plenty of fodder for anyone interested in article creation anyway. Zeyes (talk) 16:33, 1 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

(outdent) Well it looks like this idea went forward. I'm not sure I like it, but there it is. My biggest issue with it is appearance. Could someone go in and maybe take the border off the jun yusho? I don't like the way it clashes with the yusho border, and often supercedes it - which is especially noticeable on successful rikishi such as Hakuho. I have no idea how easy this would be, and maybe it wouldn't look better, but it might. FourTildes (talk) 10:34, 18 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

So I went in and tried it out myself, and I definitely prefer this way, with no border on the junyusho - it doesn't clash or supercede the borders of the more prominent and important yusho. I thought that would be the easiest way for everyone to see it - by leaving it that way for now. If the consensus is that we don't like it, we can go back in and revert to borders. I will also go in and take the borders off the junyusho in the legend at the bottom. FourTildes (talk) 11:03, 18 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

That looks much better. Earlier on in the discussion I mentioned that I wanted the jun-yusho to "fade into the background" more and your change addresses my concerns.--Pawnkingthree (talk) 14:37, 18 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I had toyed with that approach as well, but I didn't really like it that much, largely because it can make things look very ambiguous, e.g. Hakuho in Haru 2014 where he's now got an entry that has the jun-yusho colour but is entirely surrounded by green borders like a yusho. The overlapping borders looked like a (minimally) better choice to me at the time. There's actually a very elegant solution out there that would move all borders inwards so they don't overlap each other anymore (by using a style property called "outline"), but unfortunately that one is not properly supported by Microsoft's rendering engine and would totally wreck the design on IE, Edge etc. In the absence of that option, I'm okay with no jun-yusho borders. :) (Of course, another possibility would be to scrap the borders on everything, not just jun-yusho...) Zeyes (talk) 18:26, 19 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I think the border looks more official. It is used for retirement and yusho only I think? Nothing official about a junyusho. Having said that inward border is something I'd at least be willing to look at if it is ever doable. To be honest if we were going to record junyusho I'd've been happy with having Runner up written in bold below in the box as other lower level achievements are recorded - but the current brown is a compromise. FourTildes (talk) 02:28, 21 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

That would clash with the sansho and kinboshi markers though, not to mention that those free text additions aren't well-supported by the template in the first place. Extending the hackish (mis)use of the template code that gets those text bits displayed would have only made the tournament tables even more messy to create than they already are. (I shudder at the fact that the playoff markers are using the yasumi fields...) The whole template arguably needs a cleanup/rewrite because it's been extended in several ways that it certainly wasn't meant to support originally, but there's no way I'm touching that because the various hacks have been used in so many tables by now that it would take weeks to fix those up. Adding that second background colour was basically trivial by comparison. Zeyes (talk) 03:43, 21 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

(outdent) Right. The text option wouldn't work for makuuchi. I shuddered at first at all that brown (or whatever random color) over all the tables I've laboured over, but I noticed I'm getting used to it, and it is indeed easier to visualize how things went down in a tournament.FourTildes (talk) 04:21, 21 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hello all. In an effort to finally resolve the never-ending and annoying GNG v SSG issue, I've proposed a revision of the NSPORTS introduction. You are all invited to take part in the discussion. Thank you. Jack | ^{talk page} 06:20, 20 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Does anyone have this one in sandbox? He looks v. likely to pick a special prize and a possible jun-yusho. He might even win the thing. Tigerboy1966  11:47, 22 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Jun-yusho in his debut would certainly make him notable enough for an article in my view. He's certainly doing a lot better than the other sandanme tsukedeshi, Yutakayama, who doesn't look like he can cut it in makuuchi.--Pawnkingthree (talk) 13:51, 22 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Can we look out for a better usable image for the Onosho article. Most of the other articles have a picture of the wrestler at a basho, but Onosho (soon to be komusubi) is looking a bit scruffy in a training session. Tigerboy1966  06:47, 2 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Not really a question of "looking out" for one, more asking for one – 99% of our active wrestler images are provided by User:FourTildes. Maybe he can get a snap of Onosho next time he's at a tournament.--Pawnkingthree (talk) 13:04, 2 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I am sure I have a newer Ono pic in his dandy red mawashi. I also snapped that training session pic. I might be able to get something up pretty quick, since you asked. :) FourTildes (talk) 23:44, 2 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Addendum: I took lots of pics at last basho of dohyo iri etc. but was not vigilant about getting individual rikishi pics. I may have something on my hard drive at home. FourTildes (talk) 23:49, 2 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Add-addendum: Did look on my hard drive a few days ago. Have not been nearly as good about snapping new pics of rikishi - at one point I was way ahead of the curve on pics of up and comers, but I have fallen behind. I'll be sure to get a pic of Onosho and probably some others next time I get a chance. FourTildes (talk) 05:28, 13 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks FT. Some possible up-and-comers you could look out for - Tobizaru [ja], Meisei, Daishoho [ja] and Takagenji.--Pawnkingthree (talk) 14:29, 13 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the comments and advice. I've bookmarked the sumo wrestlers page on commons. I see we have a Daiamami pic already which is useful as he's probably next up: he's a very big lad but we'll find out a lot more about his potential in November. Tigerboy1966  07:07, 16 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

With Onosho kyujo recently I haven't had a chance to get a pic. If he's back in May I'm sure I'll get one.FourTildes (talk) 05:03, 27 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

If Harumafuji's resignation is accepted would his career record table show "Retired" in the box for Nov 2017 or Jan 2018? Tigerboy1966  07:39, 29 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The former. He will not be on the January 2018 banzuke as he retired just before the meeting to draw up the new rankings. Incidentally this is at Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates now so any help with improving the article and adding sources would be much appreciated.--Pawnkingthree (talk) 19:29, 29 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Are there any articles about specific honbasho? Or are they not considered notable? I'd assume they would be and I'm just not looking in the right place, but figured I'd double check here. South Nashua (talk) 02:11, 4 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@South Nashua: Apologies for overlooking this until now. We have few sumo content creators right now, sadly, and no-one has created one yet. Myself I prefer to do “sumo year” articles and cover the six honbasho there, but I would have no objections to articles on individual basho - indeed I would welcome it. I don’t think notability would be a problem.--Pawnkingthree (talk) 15:18, 28 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Oh great, South Nashua has been indefinitely blocked. Just my luck :( --Pawnkingthree (talk) 16:05, 28 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Both won Sansho in their makuuchi debut - I assume we want to create these? Anyone working on them? --Pawnkingthree (talk) 15:13, 28 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Update: Abi now has an article. Ryūden is still a red link though.--Pawnkingthree (talk) 12:34, 27 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

There are currently 4 used colors in those tables: retirement, lower division, 2nd place, and winner. I suggest adding another one for the best rank up to that point, since for rikishi with long careers it is useful to see how long ago did that person was at his best, especially when that person never won a tournament. 79.116.217.141 (talk) 08:34, 3 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

So I put up an Abi article, surprised no one beat me to it with all the attention around him. Take a look when you have minutes. If we follow the original criteria (which I might repost) the next best candidate with his juryo championship. FourTildes (talk) 05:00, 27 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Here's the link: Abi Masatora. Did you mean to suggest Daiamami as the next candidate? He's a red link in List of sumo tournament second division champions and we usually do juryo winners. (Although I noticed that Amakaze who I created after his juryo yusho is probably going to be demoted to makushita....)--Pawnkingthree (talk) 12:32, 27 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I looked over it briefly and just edited a few things to make it sound better. Popapop2 talk 22:25, 27 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

A few months ago I did a lot of research into gyōji, dohyō, and the shinpan so I'm going to be going over those articles very soon and adding in what I've found to help enhance them. I've already updated the gyōji article with what I've found. So those are my main sumo projects right now. Popapop2 talk 22:38, 27 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Nice work Popapop2. Much appreciated.--Pawnkingthree (talk) 14:09, 4 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! Always happy to help. Popapop2 talk 02:53, 4 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

There's a nice new article on the 2008 cannabis scandal - courtesy of WikiProject Cannabis's 420 Collaboration.--Pawnkingthree (talk) 14:14, 4 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The above entry does make me think that at some point we will need a separate article about the whole Harumafuji-Takanoiwa business. I was wondering what the title should be. Tigerboy1966  20:34, 11 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

As we have some recent articles on wrestlers notable (?) for things other than their success (Orora, Wakaichiro),I wonder if there is room for Hanakaze Daisaku, who has, I believe set a couple of longevity records (longest career, most basho). He is 48 now so it should not take too much updating. Tigerboy1966  13:18, 29 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

We have Ichinoya Mitsuru so why not Hanakaze. It would be helpful though if there was some coverage of him in the Japanese press so we could have a secondary source too.--Pawnkingthree (talk) 23:34, 29 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The English language sources I found were blogs and forums (very well-informed admittedly). He might get a write-up on an RS site when he retires, which can't be too far away. Tigerboy1966  19:41, 31 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I would LOVE to have a Hanakaze article. He's the longest serving rikishi EVER. And the only one older than me. :) When he passed longest serving mark, I wanted to make the article, but I just didn't have the time or perhaps even more the inclination I used to. I can absolutely dig up a pic for it; I take one every time I see him. I see he has a ja wiki article. I often source my rikishi article from the Japanese sources. Actually, I feel like I should make the time for him. I will try to put up an article TOMORROW! Let me have this one if I may! FourTildes (talk) 10:59, 3 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

If he has a ja wiki article that's a good indication of notability in my book. Go for it :) --Pawnkingthree (talk) 12:27, 3 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hanakaze is largely finished. I did check thoroughly the veracity of his longest career ever, it took time and a huge excel sheet but he is the longest by a few years. Just need to source it, mostly from sumo reference. I found nothing about his younger years on my own in any language, and apparently the person who made his jawiki articles didn't either. I was amazed to discover I couldn't find a pic of him. I think I have been to quick to delete recently. I even found one of Hokutoryu but not him. I will get one in September. User:FourTildes/sandbox_3 FourTildes (talk) 00:36, 5 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I held off because I had no picture, and because sourcing is my least favorite wiki chore - but I just remembered him and figured I would get his article up and worry about the picture this coming September. Here he is, enjoy Hanakaze Daisaku FourTildes (talk) 10:24, 16 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for that FT. I love the fact that he began his career before his stablemaster did :)--Pawnkingthree (talk) 15:06, 16 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

There's a recently created article on juryo rikishi Daishoho Kiyohiro that has been moved to draftspace at Draft:Daishoho Kiyohiro due to being undersourced. I'll work on it but if anyone can add some secondary sources (there must be some Japanese press coverage) that would be a great help. He has a good chance of making makuuchi after this tournament so notability is not a problem.-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 21:07, 9 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I'm getting Meisei Chikara done and will post soon. Tigerboy1966  18:35, 23 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Yep, three kachi koshi in a row in makuuchi so he looks like he’s staying around. Pawnkingthree (talk) 21:03, 23 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Just needs a pic. Tigerboy1966  16:14, 24 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Is that acceptable, or would they just be deleted? I would like to help write them. Royal Autumn Crest (talk) 00:57, 28 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Royal Autumn Crest: We don’t currently have any, but I am working on one in draft form: Draft:January 2018 Basho. I would suggest doing the same - then it can be worked on without fear of deletion. Pawnkingthree (talk) 12:29, 28 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I would love to help. I enjoy Sumo. I know they have articles in the Japanese Wikipedia on these topics as well. Haven't checked out your draft, you may be using that as a template. Royal Autumn Crest (talk) 13:38, 28 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Our page on Wakaichiro states that he was born in Houston, Texas, giving a citation that consists of an interview with the subject. However, he only says he was raised in Houston. Looking around online, I find no RS that gives this information, and though I did find one discussion board post that stated definitively that he was born in Japan, it was just the proverbial 'something I found on the internet'. This has BLP implications, and more trivially, affects in which section he is placed on the List of non-Japanese sumo wrestlers page. Agricolae (talk) 03:52, 13 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Agricolae: I have never seen any source say that he was not born in Texas. All indications are that he was born there and listed Nagasaki as his shussin because of his Japanese nationality and to not take up a foreigner spot in his stable. I get that "from Texas" doesn't definitively mean "born in Texas" but the sources I've seen say his first experience of Japan was visiting an elementary school in Nagasaki during summer vacations and picking up a bit of Japanese eg [2].-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 15:27, 16 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I get all that, but the post I saw said he was born in Japan then taken to Texas in infancy (though, again, it was just from some guy on the internet). We know he grew up in Texas, and we know he is listed with hometown of Nagasaki, but if we are going to definitively state his birthplace we really should have a source that says so directly rather than us trying to deduce it from hints and whispers - I would try dropping him a quick question on his Facebook page, but that would require me to sign up for Facebook, which is not going to happen. Agricolae (talk) 18:55, 16 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Heh. I just looked and it appears to be a private FB page - I would have to send him a friend request, and not sure I'll do that. His Twitter page is another option. Alternatively it may be better to just change the article to "grew up in Texas" until an RS proving it one way or the other turns up.-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 19:47, 16 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I had hoped John Gunning might have said something about it in one of the articles he has written on foreign and mixed-race wrestlers, but he only says Wakaichiro is from Texas. I think changing his page is in order unless a definitive statement turns up, but (and this is getting into the Wikipedia weeds a little bit) we would still need to list him as either US-born or 'Japanese-born of mixed parentage' on the List of non-Japanese sumo wrestlers page. Agricolae (talk) 20:54, 16 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I just asked the man himself. He said he was born in Houston. I figured there was a chance he was born in Nagasaki because Japanese women often go “home” to give birth, but this is not the case with Ichiro. FourTildes (talk) 08:39, 18 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

OK. Better if we had an explicit ref, but at least it's right. Agricolae (talk) 12:19, 18 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I am creating a Shimanoumi Koyo article in sandbox as he is the highest ranked rikishi without an article. He only has 2 kk but he is likely to be in makuuchi for a while and is a 2 time juryo champion. Should be up by Monday. Tigerboy1966  16:16, 20 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

posted but could do with a picture. I also had some problems with the refs from the Japanese wiki article so it's still a bit rough. Tigerboy1966  12:42, 21 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Tigerboy1966. I'll see if I can add any refs. Kaiouma has started Terutsuyoshi Shoki as well. (Now who's gonna do Enho?)-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 18:37, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

And of course Tomokaze. An unprecedented slew of special prizes for rikishi without articles. I'll start Tomokaze tomorrow once I'm through doing some updates on my "WP day job" which is horse-racing. Somewhat ironically, I have been working on an article about a British-bred racehorse name Japan. Regards. Tigerboy1966  18:56, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I just finished Enhō, should've checked here first, but its seems I got lucky. Even if he is new to Makuuchi he certainly fits the category of popularity etc. FourTildes (talk) 07:11, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Great job everyone. FourTildes I think Enho could be a Did You Know? candidate - would you have any objections if I nominated it?-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 14:35, 24 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Certainly. Thanks for thinking of it. :) FourTildes (talk) 20:17, 24 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Done - you can see it at Template:Did you know nominations/Enhō Akira.-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 15:59, 25 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Just a heads-up that I have created Takanoshō Nobuaki, as he has four makuuchi basho now. Needs an image. P-K3 (talk) 09:09, 1 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The sword link in the tachimochi article goes to the katana entry, but he's actually carrying a tachi as the name would make you expect. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.251.162.57 (talk) 16:04, 23 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hey all, I hope everyone is safe and healthy. My name is HickoryOughtShirt?4 and I'm a member of WikiProject Ice Hockey. I was wondering if there was any interest in starting a WikiProject Sports channel on Discord? There's quite a few of us who are interested in sports, and I think it would be a good idea to help the WikiProject recruit more members. You guys can join us through here.HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 00:04, 13 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I'm new to editing sumo articles and found no Wikipedia:Manual of Style for them aside from Wikipedia:WikiProject_Sumo#Conventions which is very bare bones. I started editing the first sentences of articles on sumo wrestlers which give the shikona and birth names to make them all consistent but came into a problem. The title of sumo wrestler articles use their shikona ring names in the order of surname first then given name. To be consistent do we also list their birth names in this same order?

Because of this order we should also have a note at the top of each article informing the reader like Template:Japanese name. But that refers to surnames as "family names" which in the case of shikona wouldn't be a correct term. Someone could add the option of also listing "stage names" like Template:Korean name has. But note that specific template lists the family name first then the stage name, which is the reverse of how sumo articles present them. Thoughts? Xfansd (talk) 22:23, 9 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Hi Xfansd, welcome to WP:SUMO! We’re quite a small group here so always great to have new people. The guideline we follow is Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Japan-related_articles#Pseudonyms - basically we treat shikona as pseudonyms so use the traditional Japanese and not the Western order. For their real name in the lead section we use the Western order. A problem arises however, when a rikishi continues to use his real name as his shikona. Should that be treated as a pseudonym? For consistency in our rikishi articles we have said yes - Shōdai Naoya for example, not Naoya Shōdai. But I don’t usually fight it if someone moves an article like that to the Western order, as when Hiroshi Wajima was featured on the Main Page’s Recent Deaths section. The form I always use in a first sentence is eg. Takanoshō Nobuaki (born 14 November 1994 as Nobuaki Ishii). P-K3 (talk) 23:43, 9 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

What would be the downside to using Japanese order for both names? I was hoping we could expand Wikipedia:WikiProject_Sumo#Conventions to give the project a proper MOS and make all articles consistent on this subject. Japanese order is acceptable under WP:MOS-JA and WP:COMMONNAME, if it is the common naming order seen in English sources. So we could fight instances of moves like Hiroshi Wajima. But if our argument as a project is to use Japanese order for the shikona then switch to Western for the birth names, I don't think we'd be able to garner support. I see the JSA's English website does that switching tho. I think I'll just continue the switch between the two, but add a custom Template:Hatnote like In this Japanese shikona name, the surname is Kotoshōgiku. where appropriate. This doesn't explain the birth name order to the reader but at least the more important article title will be explained. Xfansd (talk) 01:28, 10 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I was under the impression that for Japanese people born after the Meiji era the Western name order should be used. That’s the only downside. I would very much appreciate the hatnote as the current one that talks about a family name isn’t really applicable for shikona. Thanks. P-K3 (talk) 12:21, 10 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The high profile examples of using Japanese order for modern people that I am aware of are Utada Hikaru and Koda Kumi. I think it has to do with WP:COMMONNAME being a policy and thus supersedes WP:MOS-JA which is only a MOS. Although, reading WP:MOS-JA again it does seem to have been altered from the last time I read it and now says to use the order that is most widely used in references. Nowhere does it say straight up to use Western order like it used to. (A little conversation on its talkpage here seems to confirm that.) Unfortunately every page move request is subject to whichever editors choose to take part. Xfansd (talk) 17:06, 10 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

You’re right, the guideline has been updated since I last read it. Good to know - thanks for pointing that out. P-K3 (talk) 18:43, 10 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I decided Hoshoryu deserved an article. Enjoy FourTildes (talk) 02:32, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I'm sure he will be receiving a fair amount of attention - I'll look out for sources. P-K3 (talk) 11:28, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

There is a discussion on SSN (sport specific guidelines) at RFC on Notability (sports) policy and reliability issues. Feel free to go there and post your comments. Cassiopeia^(talk) 01:06, 30 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I've been having a discussion with User:Leveni about improving the heya pages, and it's become clear that a heya infobox is needed. It has been listed at WP:SUMO as needing to be created for a long time now. I am not that technically proficient at wiki-markup but am willing to have a go, probably in my sandbox, by adapting one from another sports project as suggested by Leveni. Any assistance would be appreciated though! -- P-K3 (talk) 13:06, 22 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I was wondering if anyone is still working on the Wikiproject Sumo. If so, I will join. Rfkatz2005 (talk) 17:13, 23 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Rfkatz2005: Hi Rf, thanks for the discussion, right now a few of us are talking about putting an infobox on all the Stable pages. If you have any ideas on content layout etc everyone would be happy to listen. Pawnkingthree is going to give the programming a go, if you have done an infobox before maybe contacting Pawnkingthree would be a help. Thanks for your time.Leveni (talk) 01:57, 26 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Leveni:Thank you, I will add the information I can to pages regarding Sumo.Rfkatz2005 (talk) 16:41, 27 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Rfkatz2005, yes there are a few of us around who maintain the articles and keep an eye on this page. You're very welcome to join in. I'd be interested to know if there are any areas in particular that you wanted to work on. P-K3 (talk) 02:11, 26 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Pawnkingthree:Thank you, I will add the information I can to pages regarding Sumo. Rfkatz2005 (talk) 16:41, 27 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Pawnkingthree:@Rfkatz2005:@FourTildes: Hi all, I was experimenting with info boxes and realized you have to use a template. The link to all the ready made templates is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:List_of_infoboxes. There is an infobox template for sumo wrestlers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Infobox_sumo_wrestler originally made by YutakaNinja, PK3 and 4T you guys have edited it, but I do wonder how we install an original Template for Sumo Stables. Anyway, I thought I'd just put the links there for everyone to have a look at. Leveni (talk) 09:59, 4 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

A while back it seems, a well meaning user came in and changed the ranking system with one that uses different wiki markup. No one noticed at the time, but when I went in today and updated the ranks and then checked the sorting, they were all scrambled. I had already entered all the new ranks before I realized this new sorting protocol isn't working. For now the ranks are all updated but the sorting won't work (and hasn't worked since they were changed on April 8th). I have sent a message to the editor who made changes asking for assistance. FourTildes (talk) 02:35, 26 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

EDIT: I figured out to make the ranks sort correctly by reduplicating sorting info inside the markup that previously wasn't necessary in my version. So it is working now. In the end I went with adapting the changes made by the well meaning user as it more directly does what my original system did. FourTildes (talk) 02:57, 26 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Under the list of articles needed it says an article on amateur sumo should be created. I want to make one, but I was wondering if anyone is willing to lend a hand? I am not the best at writing articles, & I was hoping we could make lengthy one instead of a stub. Rfkatz2005 (talk) 03:22, 12 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Rfkatz2005 that's certainly an article I've been intending to work on at some point, so if you want to get the ball rolling I'd be happy to help out (although I am a bit busy at the moment). We could use the existing section at Sumo#Amateur_sumo as a starting point, or just begin again from scratch. I'm sure there are sources in English such as John Gunning's Japan Times columns that could be used.-- P-K3 (talk) 14:02, 12 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(talk) Sounds great! I will get started on one today, I will use the existing section as a starting point Rfkatz2005 (talk) 16:14, 12 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

talk I have created the draft, most of it is a direct copy of the exsiting section. This is the page: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?action=edit&preload=Template%3AAfc+preload%2Fdraft&editintro=Template%3AAfC+draft+editintro&title=Draft:Amateur_Sumo&create=Create+new+article+draft Rfkatz2005 (talk) 18:59, 12 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

On the Sumo page, it states the focus of the sport is grappling, which I think is fair. However, I think it would be more appropiate to list the focus as clinch fighting, since grappling often refers to ground fighting (which does not happen in Sumo) & clinch fighting is when two people are holding on to one another while standing up (which does happen in Sumo). In most Sumo matches, the winner often traps their opponent in a clinch before puching them out of the ring. I am aware that clinch fighting is a type of grappling, but since Clinch fighting does have its own aritcle, I thin it wuld be fair to change the foucs. Does anyone object or agree? Or have a reason why it sould be left the way it is? Rfkatz2005 (talk) 16:17, 27 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

As sumo is mentioned in the clinch fighting article, but not the grappling article, that seems a fair change as it's more precise.-- P-K3 (talk) 16:27, 27 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@P-K3 I changed it, & i would just like to say I agree.

New stub: Cannabis and sports. Any project members care to help expand? ---Another Believer _(Talk) 17:59, 8 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Another Believer Sure, I'll take a look. You may find 2008 sumo cannabis scandal useful. Pawnkingthree (talk) 18:48, 8 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Pawnkingthree, Thank you! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 18:50, 8 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I'm going to nominate Terunofuji at Wikipedia:In the news once his promotion is confirmed. A yokozuna promotion is automatically notable by ITN rules, but help with referencing would be appreciated as his article has to be up to scratch quality wise. Pawnkingthree (talk) 15:03, 18 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Kagamio has gone banzuke-gai for Aki. Not sure how to represent this on his career record box. Tigerboy1966  06:32, 30 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Tigerboy1966 there is a BANZUKEGAI parameter, I've added it. Pawnkingthree (talk) 22:35, 14 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I have been thinking things may get confusing in the future with the lack of distinction between an ordinary kyujo and a mandated COVID absence in the cereer record templates. Currently, "kyujo" is being used and reports the same, "Sat out due to injury", even though the consequences are quite different. I would suggest that, just as for those suspended, it is worth having a specific category for these types of infectious disease-related whole-basho absences, something like "{Basho|quar" = "Sat out due to quarantine" or even just "Quarantined". (Were this proposal accepted, I would be willing to make all of the changes to the individual wrestler pages - there are still not too many - but wouldn't know where to start on editing the template itself.) Agricolae (talk) 22:11, 14 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Agricolae: I created the QUARANTINED parameter, which displays as "sat out due to COVID rules." I changed Hakuho's September 2021 record, see what you think. The wording can be tweaked of course. Pawnkingthree (talk) 23:00, 14 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It's better than "Sat out due to injury". The only thing for me is that "Sat out due to COVID rules" adds an extra line to the text to the box which looks a bit untidy. But I suppose if you trimmed it to "Sat out due to COVID" it would be ambiguous. Would "Sat out: COVID rules" work?. Tigerboy1966  23:14, 14 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hmmm, it's not showing as an extra line for me. I used "due to" to be consistent with the kyujo one but I'm ok with it being omitted. Pawnkingthree (talk) 00:01, 15 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I went ahead and changed them all over. Precise wording can be tweaked as preferred, I have no particular preference (not an extra line for me either but I am using a wide-screen). Agricolae (talk) 14:44, 15 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This is really just a reminder to myself to update all this stuff! Oguruma is closing Feb 7 with its personnel being split between a new Oshiogawa stable run by ex-Takekaze and Nishonoseki stable, where ex-Yoshikaze will coach. Goeido is going to open his own Takekuma stable (we never made an article on the previous incarnation of Takekuma from the early 2000s). Tomozuna is going to change its name to Oshima stable with ex-Kyokutenho swapping elder names. Of course, he was a member of the original Oshima stable but I guess Tomozuna stable will need to be moved to Oshima stable (2022) to distinguish it from the earlier version. -- Pawnkingthree (talk) 17:57, 27 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Some months back, Ishiura changed the 'given name' portion of his shikona away from his birth name, Masakatsu, to Shikanosuke. Should he be removed from Category:Sumo_wrestlers_who_use_their_birth_name, or does his continued use of the surname portion still qualify him for inclusion? Agricolae (talk) 18:49, 1 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

My view is that if he has used his full birth name for a substantial part of his sekitori career, he can stay in the category. Pawnkingthree (talk) 23:55, 1 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I think a better category than birth name would be "Sumo wrestlers who use their surname". Unless this already exists; but either way I think just one category for surname is best. 08:24, 25 August 2022 (UTC) FourTildes (talk) 08:24, 25 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It doesn't exist as of yet, we could either create a new one or get the birth name one re-named at WP:CFD. Pawnkingthree (talk) 12:58, 25 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I essentially always do the active wrestlers article rankings update when the banzuke comes out but I will be much busier than usual at that time: from 6 am August 29th Japan time. Would someone like to volunteer to update? It’s a slight learning curve but it’s all explained in an early section of the talk page for the active wrestlers list. FourTildes (talk) 02:11, 23 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hey FT, looks like you got logged out somehow :) I'll do it if no-one else gets to it first. Pawnkingthree (talk) 22:41, 22 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I was on my phone and saw it didn't register as me, but then forgot to come back and fix it. Cheers on the heads up and the offer. FourTildes (talk) 02:11, 23 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Well, the project that would keep me very busy was moved to later in the week, and I got the day off on Monday, so I have MORE time than usual to do the active wrestlers banzuke update; and I do actually enjoy doing it, so I'll do it if no one mind. :D FourTildes (talk) 04:52, 28 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

He doesn't qualify for notability through the normal means for a rikishi, but I think an article on the late Hibikiryu is warranted. There are quite a few English-language sources on the in-ring injury that left him paralyzed and ultimately resulted in his death; for instance [3] [4] [5]. These days I don't have the time to contribute that much, otherwise I'd whip up a draft. Apologies if this has been discussed before. Lkb335 (talk) 22:04, 30 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Lkb335: I don't think it's been discussed. There are definitely sources out there, I agree. We do have an article on Shobushi, another low-ranker who tragically died. The only thing he might fall foul of is only being known for one event. Pawnkingthree (talk) 22:32, 30 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Right. "Death of Hibikiryu" could be the article instead, to avoid WP:BIO1E concerns. I'd personally be more inclined toward an article on the wrestler himself, but, again, I won't be the one writing it either way. Lkb335 (talk) 04:11, 1 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

A section in Controversies in professional sumo is also a possibility. Pawnkingthree (talk) 13:56, 1 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I have completely reorganized the article on the Kuramae Kokugikan, some comments and proofreading would be appreciated. :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by OtharLuin (talk • contribs) 14:11, 13 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I plan to completely rewrite the Kokugikan article. I already edited my sandbox with a good article but I fail to have more sources, so if anyone could look at it OtharLuin (talk) 15:18, 16 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Quick note : I'm giving myself until the 6th of October to propose the new version in the article :) (also ping to barnastars holders and wikipedian veterans FourTildes Pawnkingthree Tigerboy1966 sorry for mass ping :D) 16:53, 20 October 2022 (UTC) OtharLuin (talk) 16:53, 20 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@OtharLuin:, great work! Definitely a huge improvement on the existing article and the sources generally look good. My only question would be on puroresu.com which is described in the references as a blog. Generally those aren't considered reliable sources per WP:SPS. -- Pawnkingthree (talk) 17:32, 20 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hey thanks ! Concerning Puroresu I qualified it as a blog but honestly it's more because I don't really know what kind of website it could be otherwise. Puroresu.com is also refered in the wikipedia article on Japanese Pro-wrestling as "Puroresu.com" so I guess I'll make an edit. And also, do you think I sould invert the two parts of the article, so the current Kokugikan would serve as general illustration ; or just stick to chronological presentation ? OtharLuin (talk) 18:03, 20 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I think chronological is best. And puroresu.com does seem to be self-published, although Hisaharu Tanabe could be described as a subject matter expert so it might be ok. Pawnkingthree (talk) 00:15, 21 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Just seeing this. Great stuff. Thanks for the heads up, as you can see I'm not here as much as I used to be. I also like to be the first one to break the indent chain :) FourTildes (talk) 20:08, 30 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hello everyone, I have been lurking and editing some sumo articles independently for some months now, but I think its a good idea to join the project.

Also, I have created the Atamifuji page, now that he is confirmed to be in makuuchi. Kaitetsu (talk) 17:18, 1 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome aboard! I will have to make sure I don't confuse you with Kaiketsu :) Thanks for creating Atamifuji - certainly a lot of interest in him at the moment. -- Pawnkingthree (talk) 17:27, 1 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you! Its alright hahaah. If anyone has any criticisms or any tips of how this WP does things, please message me, Im happy to learn. Kaitetsu (talk) 12:06, 2 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The article that was created about Ajigawa Stable has been moved to draftspace because it apparently doesn't meet general notability guidelines, something which does not exist in the article's Japanese counterpart. Was wondering if there was anything else that could be done to add notability. Listing a heya in List of sumo stables without a proper article just doesn't sit right. JRHorse (talk) 20:29, 14 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The Japanese article looks just as bare bones as ours. There probably isn't much more to say right now, and there may not be any other sources than the news reports of the December 1 announcement which are already in the article. Something I've wondered about is whether we could merge heya articles that have the same kabu attached to them, even if they are otherwise unrelated - that is, have one article on Ajigawa stable and say that it existed from 1979 to 2007 and then was revived in 2022. Pawnkingthree (talk) 14:14, 15 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah I asked myself the same question about one article per main kabu" but that would be really confusing. I believe an infobox on stables would be better, so we could mention the previous incarnations. I'll do some research to add an infobox, maybe in 2023. Appart from that I don't think having the list of sumo stables without proper articles is really bad OtharLuin (talk) 18:54, 15 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Another report here about an opening event at the stable. Pawnkingthree (talk) 23:21, 16 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I see that someone else decided to create the article again... I'll do my best to add this reference in a little later. JRHorse (talk) 12:13, 20 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Reference added. JRHorse (talk) 17:29, 25 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Project. I saw an old message from Pawnkingthree on my talk page and thought I would check in. I can't believe it has been almost 15 years since this project started and it is still going. I haven't been watching much sumo recently but I finally was able to make it to a basho last September for the first time in a while -- instantaneous sellouts for many years followed by the pandemic made it difficult to go -- reminded me of how fun watching sumo can be. I ended up doing some cleanup on some cricket pages -- when I was living in the US I watched a lot of sumo and now that I live in Japan I got into cricket, which maybe says something about me -- but I guess I was also reminded of how much I enjoyed editing Wikipedia. Maybe I can help with some Japanese sources these days around here. We'll see how it goes. XinJeisan (talk) 06:29, 11 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi User:XinJeisan thanks for stopping by :) I can't believe it's been that long either. It was actually my desire to write about sumo that got me into editing Wikipedia all those years ago, and you setting up WP:SUMO certainly helped with that. A lot of WikiProjects have come and home but we're still here, with some new contributors too. Would be great if you could help with some sourcing - we always need that, particularly with some of our older articles. Take care. Pawnkingthree (talk) 02:56, 12 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi all, I'm new here. I've slowly been updating some pages to bring the career details up to date. So far I've done Meisei, Kotoeko, Hiradoumi, Tobizaru and Wakatakakage. Plan to to get all those who were in makuuchi in January up to date. Zeieg (talk) 12:47, 1 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Zeieg - that's great! Thanks for helping out! Pawnkingthree (talk) 13:57, 1 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I recently submitted a draft on the Hakuhō Cup as it's been 13 years it started. With the amount of sources I think it'll pass but I'm still unsure on the presentation, so give it a look if you want to give me a hand OtharLuin (talk) 09:24, 6 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

An article I wrote on Tottori Jōhoku High School just got brought back in the draft section due to lack of notability. Given Jōhoku High is well known for its sumo team (and I went around to link wrestlers who graduated from it to the article) and I wonder if anyone could help me expand the sumo section of the article or at least give me a proofread? I also asked the WikiProject Baseball for some help. OtharLuin (talk) 13:45, 7 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, yes I saw that move back to draft. I am tempted to just revert it (AFC is entirely voluntary, after all), but I will have a look for some more sources first. Pawnkingthree (talk) 13:57, 7 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi! Thanks Pawnking, I was a bit stunned when I saw the article was moved back as I thought 11 or so references would do while articles like Tottori College or Tottori University of Environmental Studies exists... Thanks for the help ~ OtharLuin (talk) 19:12, 7 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi! Sanctuary, the Netflix series on sumo, will air on May, 4 and I began to create a sandbox for the series. I however found there is already quite a lot of series named "Sanctuary". So I wonder how I should call the article.

• Sanctuary: Seiichi, like the original name of the series
• Sanctuary (2023 TV series)
• Sanctuary (sumo TV series)
• should I add "Netflix" in the title ?

any idea ? OtharLuin (talk) 15:24, 30 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Just wanted folks in the project to know that I created an article this week on the bow-twirler Satonofuji in case anyone wishes to improve on it. JRHorse (talk) 11:10, 27 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi everyone, as you may know I'm writing a draft list for the trophies awarded at the Grand Sumo closing ceremony. During an exchange I had with a WikiProject Awards user, it was suggested to me that the article should be split in two so that I could have the full list on one hand and an article giving a little more detail about the ceremony on the other. At the moment I'm not sure what to make of this, so I'm sounding out everyone's opinions... - OtharLuin (talk) 09:36, 13 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I think the exchange you had with the Wikiprojects Awards project user is on the money: the intro is kind of long for a list article so maybe shortening it and putting it somewhere in the main sumo article with a link to just the list of trophies would be good. It's a good list too, info on the trophies is hard to find in English and often very outdated so keep working on it! - Hidenotora (talk) 14:19, 13 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, thanks for the reply! I'm not so sure that placing the intro in Sumo would be such a good idea, the article is already very long and sometimes gets lost in "sub-articles". I'd consider creating a Professional sumo ceremonies article instead, but that's just a thought as I'm not sure I'll find enough sources (yet) to make it noteworthy or sourced enough... - OtharLuin (talk) 14:53, 13 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah you're probably right that the sumo article is also too long, maybe its own article would be better. I'd be fine with most things to be honest, however I'm not sure what Wikipedia policy is or what other people would think. Thanks for the hard work! Hidenotora (talk) 15:47, 14 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Quick discussion relaunch with mention of more experienced users for advice (Pawnkingthree JRHorse) - OtharLuin (talk) 07:07, 27 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks.. Your sandbox was blanked, but seeing the previous edit it looks very well done. I am split on whether or not this should be two articles. For the flow of the award ceremony I think a few more sources would be beneficial if you can find them. Other random thoughts... to my knowledge there has been no "live" playing of Kimigayo since the onset of the pandemic, so I'm not sure if that is worth mentioning. Also the tournament that happened in 2010 2011 after the betting scandal technically was referred to something on the lines of a "Technical Tournament" and not a "grand sumo tournament," hence the reason why nothing was awarded other than the trophies mentioned. JRHorse (talk) 12:16, 27 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, thanks for the reply! For the sandbox it's normal I opened a draft on the theme List of sumo trophies. I'll edit the original link. For the awards ceremony there could indeed be more sources, I will continue my research. I would still include the Japanese anthem, however, because hopefully the live performances will continue, the COVID period being, I imagine, only temporary. Concerning the 2011 tournament, I'm quite surprised, the sources I relied on make it look like an official tournament... I'll modify accordingly. Thanks again for the feedback - OtharLuin (talk) 12:37, 27 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

re: Technical Examination Tournament, here's an article from a while back. It's also noted in some other wiki articles which I'll try to source if needed. JRHorse (talk) 13:30, 27 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

re: Just a quick look to make sure we're talking about the same thing. Before mentioning the cancelled 2011 tournament, the draft mentioned an award ceremony at the July 2010 tournament that was abbreviated to just the winner's flag and sansho prizes. The 2011 tournament was indeed cancelled and null and void, but it was two different events that had an impact on the trophy ceremony. - OtharLuin (talk) 15:10, 27 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You are correct. I keep forgetting that there were TWO scandals (Sport betting AND match fixing) that both happened within a year. JRHorse (talk) 11:34, 30 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I see that Hokutofuji Daiki and Ōnosato Daiki both have the same birth name. Daiki Nakamura (sumo wrestler) currently redirects to Hokutofuji. I could turn that into a dab page, but there's also Daiki Nakamura, the actor. I was wondering how notable he is and whether he is the primary topic, or whether he could be moved to Daiki Nakamura (actor) and the old title be the disambiguation page. Pawnkingthree (talk) 12:52, 15 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Looking at the state of the actor's article, I think we could migrate his page to Daiki Nakamura (actor) and put a distinction tag "not to be confused with Daiki Nakamura (sumo wrestler)" which would be a page where Hokutofuji and Onosato would be? - OtharLuin (talk) 13:22, 15 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds good! I'll make the move. Pawnkingthree (talk) 13:28, 15 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'm currently trying to promote some Sumo people articles to Good Article status (such as gyoji, yobidashi, tokoyama or rikishi). For the moment I've only had time to work on the yobidashi, the other articles are still being improved in my sandboxes. I think that Yobidashi is the article that's closest to being promoted to GA, but I'd like some feedback on the form and content before proposing it for this status.

I'll try to deepen the article by continuing to read books and add the quotes in text using Sfn template.

Thanks in advance (ping JRHorse, Pawnkingthree, Xfansd and Tigerboy1966 for advices and GA nomination experience) - OtharLuin (talk) 07:40, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Great idea. I honestly haven’t had a chance to focus on good article status myself. With regards to articles like Gyōji, tokoyama, yobidashi.. have you considered adding a list of all the current ones like the Japanese Wikipedia articles have, or is it not necessary. In the Gyōji article right now, for example, just the top ones are listed. JRHorse (talk) 10:50, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding the Gyoji article, On the subject of the Gyoji article, I've come up with a few ideas for improvement, listed in my dedicated 'Gyoji' sandbox in the notes and sources section (such as adding a glossary of the shouts used by gyoji during matches). I didn't think I'd add a list of referees, mainly because it's already linked to the article in the external links. However, I'm not opposed to the idea listing the san'yaku referees, after all, wrestlers who have reached these ranks have their own list (although the usefulness of this for lower ranks gyoji remains to be seen) - OtharLuin (talk) 11:50, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I worked quite a lot on the gyōji article in my sandbox. I think the article as I've worked it out is already good for GA status, but I'd like it to be proofread for paragraph size, illustrations and even the quality of the sources. - OtharLuin (talk) 09:56, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Following on from this project, I'd like to point out that the yobidashi article is now a good article! - OtharLuin (talk) 15:43, 4 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Congratulations! It's been a long time since we've had a GA - great work :) Pawnkingthree (talk) 16:39, 4 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What's the intended usage of the infobox 'eldername' parameter? I guess it was originally supposed to hold just one name entry, but well-meaning editors have in some cases proceeded to add more names to show the name change progression - the problem being that at least the ones I've seen on a cursory look-around all weren't actually complete, so it's worse than showing just the last one. Should these generally be expanded to full listings within the infobox (could be messy with some guys like Zaonishiki)? If only the last one ought to be there, should it even be used for people who aren't part of the Kyokai anymore, or just for active members to show their currently used name? (I'll note here that the parameter links to List of sumo elders, which by its nature only shows current kabu holders...)

FWIW, the Japanese Wikipedia doesn't look very coherent on this issue either. :) Tenkaiho, for instance, who has two names listed here right now, has the full four names over there as part of their 引退後 / "after retirement" infobox field, while the same parameter for Zaonishiki doesn't show his toshiyori name changes at all, only the stables he was affiliated to as oyakata, and for Kaio it just says that he's shisho of Asakayama-beya (which of course implies that he's also Asakayama-oyakata, but doesn't really amount to a kabu history). Zeyes (talk) 12:48, 1 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think it's documented anywhere but certainly the intention was for it only to be current elders, and only the most recent name. I haven't been very active recently so wasn't aware of this development. I would be in favour of keeping it as was originally intended, for simplicity's sake. Pawnkingthree (talk) 13:08, 1 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hello everyone, after a long period of work on the subject, I've just finished writing/expanding the article on rikishi. I'm submitting it for proofreading from my sandbox before pasting it on the main article.

I'd also particularly like your opinion on the infobox Chinese at the beginning of the article and on the level of detail in the body of the article (especially in the "History" category).

Thank you for this year of sumo, and have a wonderful holiday season! - OtharLuin (talk) 14:47, 22 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'm starting to do an article on Takerufuji in one of my sandboxes. Has anyone already created a draft article on him? - OtharLuin (talk) 09:30, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

On that note, the article is now in the main space :) - OtharLuin (talk) 15:22, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Great! Actually a little surprised that he didn't have an article in the works. Pawnkingthree (talk) 15:37, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's the kind of thing that happens when a prodigy jumps a whole division in one tournament :D - OtharLuin (talk) 16:26, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]