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15 December 2022

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Compare this and this. Cordless Larry (talk) 20:41, 15 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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14 January 2023

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Username with naming variations, editing same interest of pages. User: IdkAboutYouToo M.Ashraf333 (talk) 18:28, 14 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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03 February 2023

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This edit caught my attention where the user was seen restoring the exact same content as the master did a while ago.

The editing styles and POVPUSH are way too similar, see for example this sock edit where the user adds "Now," to the infobox with exactly the same capitalization as the master had done multiple done, e.g. here.

Asking for checkuser to further confirm this and look for other socks. Gotitbro (talk) 12:39, 3 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Here is an edit by a previous sock, repeated in toto by our latest sock. Gotitbro (talk) 13:37, 3 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Quite a similar username to the last blocked sock as well: IdkAboutYou8. Gotitbro (talk) 14:27, 3 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Asking for a CU of IdkAboutYou, quite clearly part of the same sock-network, who hasn't been linked here as such. Gotitbro (talk) 14:30, 3 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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22 February 2023

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Similar user name to previous sock IAmAnEditor8, account created a few days after that one got blocked, largely the same editing: [1] ~ [2], [3] ~ [4], [5] ~ [6]Uanfala (talk) 19:13, 22 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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29 March 2023

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The user is up again with multiple name variations (IdkAboutYou8, IAmAnEditor8, IAmAnEditor08) as already mentioned in the achieve list. M.Ashraf333 (talk) 06:12, 29 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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09 April 2023

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Brand new user TheTimesofPakania making similar edits to that of PakistanHistorian's socks, attempting to portray the Saraiki language as "Punjabic" [7] [8] HistoryofIran (talk) 11:54, 9 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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20 April 2023

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Same Pakistani POVPUSH as the master and previous socks; e.g. sock 1, current sock 1; s2, cs 2, s3, cs3.

 Looks like a duck to me. Asking for CU to further confirm this and look for other socks. Gotitbro (talk) 13:04, 20 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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12 May 2023

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Brand new user who made more or less the same edit [9] as one of PakistanHistorians socks [10] HistoryofIran (talk) 13:11, 12 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

EDIT: Actually, found a even more similar diff [11] [12]. This is obviously a sock, could a checkuser be done just to be safe considering it's a notorious sock we're dealing with?

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16 May 2023

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Brand new user, who at Saraiki language, made a very similar edit [13] to that of PakistanHistorian's sock [14], trying to make it appear "Punjabic" HistoryofIran (talk) 11:19, 16 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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11 June 2023

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Brand new users name is the random "PeoplesRepublicOfChina01", but they only edit in India/Pakistan related articles.

At Qazi Muhammad Isa, they more or less restored [15] [16] the edit of one of the socks of PakistanHistorian [17] HistoryofIran (talk) 11:47, 11 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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25 June 2023

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Same editing area Punjab/Pakistan, similar name as the last ID "PeoplesRepublicOfChina01". Fylindfotberserk (talk) 10:06, 25 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Editor interaction [18]. Would like to ping @HistoryofIran: for inputs, who's more familiar with the sockfarm. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 10:09, 25 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Thanks for the ping, I even reverted this user earlier but didn't realize it. Both users are keen on adding Balochi as a provincial/minority language, see the extremely similar edit summaries and BingChillings restoration of PakistanHistorian's sock, by adding Balochi in the minority section of the infobox once more [19] [20]. They also more or less restored the edit of PakistanHistorian's sock here [21] [22]. Same here [23] [24]. The EIU of me and BingChillingChina probably has more proof, as they've more or less reverted me in their attempt to restore the edits of PakistanHistorian [25]. Could a checkuser be done just be safe? They may have other socks lying around. --HistoryofIran (talk) 10:43, 25 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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15 July 2023

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Restoring and burnishing disruptive edits of past socks and master: Sock1, Master1, S2, M2, S3, M3, S4, M4, S5, M5.

While  Looks like a duck to me, asking for CU to check for other sleepers. Gotitbro (talk) 19:38, 15 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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07 August 2023

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Very identical edits:

  1. PeoplesRepublicOfChina01 (PakistanHistorian's sock) NorthEdits
  2. PeoplesRepublicOfChina01 (PakistanHistorian's sock) NorthEdits HistoryofIran (talk) 01:42, 7 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Likely a sock. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 10:12, 7 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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16 August 2023

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Brand new user, more or less restored PakistanHistorians edits:

  1. [26] [27]
  2. [28] [29] --HistoryofIran (talk) 12:14, 16 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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05 September 2023

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Last sock was blocked on 16 August [30], EnchantedEdits created their account the day after. Incredibly similar edits, some the exact same:

  1. MiddleEastToday EnchantedEdits
  2. MiddleEastToday EnchantedEdits
  3. MiddleEastToday EnchantedEdits HistoryofIran (talk) 12:22, 5 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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10 September 2023

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FederalEditorial literally appeared right after PakistanHistorians sock EnchantedEdits got blocked [31] and continued where they left in the same type of articles [32]

Compare also [33] [34] HistoryofIran (talk) 12:48, 10 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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 Confirmed FederalEditorial, no sleepers at this time. --Yamla (talk) 15:10, 11 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Yamla I also looked at this but didn't take any action. Just want to make sure you saw the comments I left in cuwiki about some other possible socks. RoySmith (talk) 15:17, 11 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Noted. I expect at least some of those will turn out to be socks, but I think it's too soon to say definitively. Thanks for your notes. --Yamla (talk) 15:46, 11 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

15 September 2023

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Brand new user restored [35] the edit [36] of one of PakistanHistorians socks HistoryofIran (talk) 12:32, 15 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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 Confirmed, no sleepers at this time. I haven't done the block and revert, leaving that to patrolling admins due to current Internet limitations. :) --Yamla (talk) 12:34, 15 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]


20 September 2023

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Attempts to reinstate similar edits on the same pages that another proven sockpuppet account (User:CentralExecutiveEdits) tried making very shortly after its banning.

Diff 1: [37] vs [38]

Diff 2: [39] vs [40] MaplesyrupSushi (talk) 00:31, 20 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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06 October 2023

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Relatively new user, extremely similar edit as one of PakistanHistorians socks [41] [42]. Also similar lede changes here [43] [44].

SouthAsianEdits started really editing on 5 October, two days after one of PakistanHistorians socks were blocked [45]. HistoryofIran (talk) 17:36, 6 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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10 October 2023

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Similar editing pattern previous sock & this account  samee  converse  00:45, 10 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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19 October 2023

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Brand new user and already incredible similar EIA with PakistanHistorian and their socks on many niche topics that are barely edited by others [46] [47] [48] [49] [50] [51] --HistoryofIran (talk) 13:46, 19 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

EDIT: Found the smoking gun [52] [53] --HistoryofIran (talk) 13:48, 19 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Looks like him. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 13:54, 19 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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26 October 2023

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Brand new user, incredibly similar edit and edit summary [54] [55] HistoryofIran (talk) 15:41, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

If Pentapotamianist turns out to be a sock of PakistanHistorian, can a tool be used to revert all their edits? They have made a lot edits. That seems to be the tactic of PakistanHistorian, keep making the same edits through different socks till they end up staying. --HistoryofIran (talk) 00:38, 7 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed, basides the POV cruft half of the edits are down right hoaxes (e.g. "Punjabic", "Pentapotamian" as languages). Gotitbro (talk) 19:33, 7 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I filed another SPI with 'Pentapotamianist' as one of the suspected socks of another user. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 19:37, 7 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Both also removed the same sourced info at Lahnda [59] [60] --HistoryofIran (talk) 13:10, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Ivanvector: Thanks! Is there a tool that reverts all their edits? They've made quite the mess, 616 edits, and they have a notorious history of WP:TENDENTIOUS editing. Also makes it easier to track them, knowing they will be back with another account(s) in 2-3 days. HistoryofIran (talk) 18:45, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Ivanvector Gotcha, thanks! I did try to use Rollback earlier, but I'm a bit of a noob at it. Not sure if I can utilize it the same way as an admin? Anyhow, thanks again! HistoryofIran (talk) 18:57, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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I've opened an SPI case against Pentapotamist here. And the diff demonstrates one of the main characteristic of the LTA. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 15:01, 21 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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All  Blocked and tagged. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 18:24, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@HistoryofIran: indeed there is, and I have done so. Anything else that they changed that the tool didn't pick up can be undone per WP:BANREVERT. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 18:53, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@HistoryofIran: there is a "mass rollback" tool that I think is only available to admins. It works like regular rollback except it requires an edit summary, which you can see I messed up this time. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 19:01, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

09 December 2023

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Brand new user, created two days after the latest sock was blocked. Keen on adding "Punjab(i)" to articles like PakistanHistorian [65] [66] and edits in articles that has been heavily targeted by them (Saraiki language, Hindko, Pahari-Pothwari‎. Compare [67] [68], where they both added "variety". EIA is also already similar [69] HistoryofIran (talk) 14:19, 9 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Added The Revolutionistic who is making same edits on the same edits as this sockmaster. Compare: [70] and [71], and also [72] and [73]. @Courcelles and Ivanvector: Its been a week that this SPI is stale, pinging you both to check. Abhishek0831996 (talk) 17:42, 16 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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28 December 2023

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Brand new user created some days after PakistanHistorian's latest sock was blocked. This edit restored some parts that PakistanHistorian's sock attempted to add, compare [74] [75] HistoryofIran (talk) 14:19, 28 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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02 January 2024

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@LingoSouthAsia has restored some preferred wordings of previous socks in a couple of articles. This includes introducing piped links in the infobox replacing Lahnda with |Western Punjabi and changing the primary characterization of a language as an Indo-Aryan language to "West Punjabi language" or "West Punjabi Language variety". Here is a pair of matching diffs:

and

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I can swear to God that I am not PakistanHistorian. Wikipedia's purpose is to benefit readers by presenting information being verifiable by published sources. It is sad that rather then reading under lying sourced references on the topic be it Cardona or Masica P Collin or George A. Grierson here [80] or others. Two users being possible socks of each other Austronesier and Snusho have same pattren of reinforcing there own personal parameters in these edits @Snusho[81] , @Snusho[82], and @Austronesier[83] There has been personalizations [84]. Wikipedia's editors should treat each other with respect and civility Respect your fellow Wikipedians, even when you disagree. Apply Wikipedia etiquette, and do not engage in personal attacks. I request @DatGuy to Check users Austronesier and Snusho for possible socks who edits same Indo aryan language articles and back each other regularly. LingoSouthAsia (talk) 05:19, 3 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

PakistanHistorian never defends his SPIs Please see [85]

PakistanHistorian has a pattren of many socks at a time Please see [86] and [87] and [88]

PakistanHistorian never uses linguistic titles rather like editor etc Please see [89] and [90] and [91] and few others

99% pages edited by PakistanHistorain dont match pages I edited Please see [92]

He edits from diffrent range as confirmed by Check user weak possible was assesed, may be due to the fact that I live in a metropolitan city with 14 million plus population where many people have similer opinion on Saraiki and many web searches will confirm this side as well.

PakistanHistorain never discusses on Talk page I always give reason for my edits in talk page even if other party is not following best practices. LingoSouthAsia (talk) 04:58, 5 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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10 January 2024

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Account created a day after the latest sock TheAryanic was blocked. Like the other socks, they are also fixated on articles like Hindko and trying to change it to "Punjabi" [93] HistoryofIran (talk) 12:49, 10 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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14 January 2024

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  1. Account created 2 days after the latest sock was blocked.
  2. Does not even remotely edit like a new user, highly interested in adding "Punjabi" to lots of stuff like Pakistanhistorian and their socks, even making Punjabi Gurjar, which looks like a WP:CFORK of Gurjar. [94]
  3. Makes a lot of edits in a short time like Pakistanhistorian and their socks. HistoryofIran (talk) 01:55, 14 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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24 June 2024

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Serious IP socking from the range 2407:D000:F:0:0:0:0:0/48 with multiple overlaps and similar stylistic/Punjabi POVPUSH edits. Comparitive IP sock and previous sock edits: [95], [96], [97], [98], [99], [100], [101], [102], [103], [104], [105], [106], [107], [108], [109], [110], [111], [112], [113], [114], [115], [116], [117], [118], [119], [120], [121], [122], [123], [124], [125], [126], [127], [128], [129], [130]. Gotitbro (talk) 14:36, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I did get a feeling of deja vu when dealing with some of the IPs. I guess that explains why. --HistoryofIran (talk) 14:04, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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