Vast and unimportant[edit]

Some of the greatest people in history have shorter Wikipedia entries than Ana Ivanovic. Even as a tennis player she wasn't important enough to deserve this gargantuan entry. 74.128.114.146 (talk) 01:02, 15 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 18 August 2020[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Not moved. There are more opposes than supports, and they cite the observation that the subject is commonly known in English without the diacritics. Some supporters pointed out that she uses it on her social media sites, but then others were identified that do not use it, so the MOS:IDENTITY argument is somewhat weak. Overall there is a rough consensus against moving at this time.  — Amakuru (talk) 16:26, 1 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]


Ana IvanovicAna Ivanović – Original name is Ana Ivanović. 5.43.102.127 (talk) 15:03, 18 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

See also WP:SERBIANNAMES. In ictu oculi (talk) 21:39, 25 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Fair enough. I suppose my suggestion that you have been "leading an WP:OWN local consensus" was unnecessary and and I'm happy to apologise and strike that. It's a distraction from the basic point per MOS:IDENTITY made by Nedop above the subject of the BLP uses the Serbian spelling in her Instagram profile, her own logo, etc. And as Nedop says it inconsistent to have article titles like this: Ivanovic–Janković rivalry. Let's focus on that. Cheers. -- would also politely request the admin closer (ideally should be an admin close since this is a BLP) to address in the closing statement from policy why this BLP should be different MOS or same MOS as all other East European living persons please. In ictu oculi (talk) 20:04, 26 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
It will be a case of community consensus overrides MOS, a la WP:IAR, which is pretty straightforward to understand. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 10:12, 27 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
No, it will not, because that is exactly the opposite of what WP:LOCALCONSENSUS says: "Consensus among a limited group of editors, at one place and time, cannot override community consensus on a wider scale." Even if the same editors keep voting to have one BLP treated differently from all other East Europe BLPs, that WP:LOCALCONSENSUS cannot override community consensus on a wider scale. Fundamentally neither you, nor the others, have provided any policy-based reason why this BLP cannot have the MOS:IDENTITY shown on Instagram profile, her own logo, and shown in "sources reliable for purpose" (i.e. in this context sources with full Unicode Latin fonts). In ictu oculi (talk) 13:10, 27 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Well you sound rather angry there. The irony, of course, is that you have policy (IAR) vs policy (CONSENSUS) vs guideline (MOS). So should this discussion go against your personal preference once again, it should be taken with a pinch of salt because all such outcomes are allowable. I'm sorry it's so upsetting for you, but this is a community project. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 22:05, 27 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Would also politely request the admin closer check Category:Serbian people by occupation to verify the fact that en.wp does use Serbian fonts in Serbian BLPs, as indeed any other article anywhere on en.wp. Thank you. In ictu oculi (talk) 18:33, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

A decade of special Anglicization for one Serbian[edit]

The the three man RM to separate Ana Ivanović from the rest of the Serbian BLP article corpus to an "English" was accomplished 21 February 2012. Keeping this article at odds with the rest of the encyclopedia has been rigorously defended for a decade. After a decade is there any stomach to return the article to en.wp normality? In ictu oculi (talk) 16:54, 14 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]