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Actually, the English name "China" is misleading because the chinese zhongguo is a relatively recent term and China comes from the Chin dynasty. The page is to China-centric. For example, Dadu was part of the Mongolian empire, not China at the time. The so called "yuan dynasty" is an ethnocentric concept.
Peking is much more natural in English and is not a mistransliteration. Much of China still pronounces it with a hard [k] sound. The US Government decided to adopt the pinyin transcription but that does not mean that all English speaking regions did the same.
Remove statements referring to Hakka. I think that pretty much every Chinese dialect except for Mandarin would use a k for a j sound. -- Roadrunner
According to CCDICT: Mandarin (Pinyin), Bei3 Jing1; Cantonese (Jyutping), Baak1 Ging1; Hakka (Lufeng), Pet7 Kin1; Taiwanese (Tongyong), Pak1 Keng1. It's most likely attributed with one of the southern dialects. -Taoster
What is the Mongolian name for Beijing during the Yuan/Mongolian Empire? --Kaihsu Tai 18:29, 24 Nov 2003 (UTC)
Seoul was also named Gyeongseong during Japanese occupation. — Instantnood 11:03 Mar 1 2005 (UTC)
According to the article the /kh/ sound shifted to /ts/ sound during the Qing Dynasty. When did this happen exactly? Did it happen after the French arrived? — Instantnood 11:06 Mar 1 2005 (UTC)
Does it make sense to say that the Nationalists changed the name to "Beiping"? Obviously this is the Pinyin transliteration of what they changed the name to. But they themselves, writing in English, would have said they were changing the name to "Peiping," right? When dealing with periods when the Chinese themselves were translating the names of their cities in Postal Pinyin, using the current transliteration exclusively seems awkward. john k 15:38, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Would it be better if the Postal System Pinyin transcription came before Wade-Giles in this article, as Peking is surely much more common that Pei-ching? (I realize a template has been used but we can remove the template and input this manually if anyone supports this move). Thanks ~ Dpr 07:45, 5 September 2005 (UTC)
Instantnood, Ran, others: a propos of your discussion of Names above (from March), does anyone think that for the sake of conciseness we could eliminate one or two names from the list of examples of Asian cities containing the element jing ("capital")? --Dpr 15:40, 5 September 2005 (UTC)
Here 's a fascinating link which can help wrap one's mind around the issue. --Dpr 11:31, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
Why mention IPA pronunciation here? Maybe because so many people mispronounce "jing"? But those people probably don't know IPA anyway.... -Xihe 08:06, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
Mention after the IPA blurb that Beijing sounds like "BAY-JING(le bells)" in Enlish. --User:Jidanni 2006-07-19
What's the story behind "Peking" becoming "Beijing" in the English language? This is obviously a very recent development - in my 1980s/early 1990s childhood I still recall it being called "Peking". 217.155.20.163 01:10, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
The correct English is Peking, not Beijing. We spell Roma Rome, Munchen Munich, so why in the world do we want to change a good English word just to match a Chinese PRC Romanization scheme?
And the PRC does not even try to approximate foreign city names, they have this silly name "old gold mountain" Gaokamsan for San Francisco, Tansangsan for Honolulu, etc.
So let us use good English on the English Wikipedia, Peking, Canton, Chungking, and forget about trying to placate the PRC government
Faankungkaokuktuen —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.180.100.210 (talk) 07:02, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
The metropolitan area of Beijing has been settled in the first millennium BC and the capital of Kingdom Yan (燕) was established there, and named it Ji (蓟). Ji has often been claimed as the beginning of Beijing; but in reality the city has been abandoned no later than the 6th century AD. The exact location of Ji is not clear despite numerous claims of its "discoveries" in recent years. During the great Tang and Song dynasties, only townships existed in this area. By the early 10th century, Kingdom Liao set up a "secondary capital" in the city proper, and called it Nanjing ("the Southern Capital"). Jing Dynasty that annexed Liao and ruled the northern China built its capital there, called Zhongdu (中都), or "the Central Capital". The Mongol force burned Zhongdu to the ground in 1215 AD and rebuilt its own "Grand Capital" (大都) to the north of the Jin capital in 1267 AD, which is the true beginning of Beijing. In 1403 AD, the 3rd Ming emperor Zhu Li, who just grabbed the throne by killing his brother after a bloody civil war and moved the capital from southern China to his own power base in the north, renamed the city Beijing (北京), or "Northern Capital". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 211.161.20.111 (talk) 04:47, 22 February 2004 (UTC)
I've read Beijing had world's first zoo, created 1900BC as the House of Intelligence. Trekphiler 02:11, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
My recommendation: Like I've created with the Ring Roads of Beijing and other such sub-pages, maybe we could move the Universities into such a section? I could then write something to start with (at the section on the Beijing page), such as a bit on famous universities, keep the "under the Min. of Edu." list, and move the entire list (with other entries) into the sub-pages.
As this is a big overhaul and affects stuff I (DF08) did not write, I'd like to gauge consensus before moving the whole thing. If within about a week there is no opposition or if I get a response to the tune of "do it", I'm going ahead; or someone else may take the lead ahead of time. --DF08 20:46, Aug 13, 2004 (UTC)
Can we move the History section to its own article and leave only a summary behind...I think we should reduce the length of the article a bit for readers' convenience, primarily by moving information to their own separate pages.
Separately, Greener has added a large section on the new Golden Resources Mall...I think I will create a new article on the Mall and move most of the info there. Her/his additions were a bit unencyclopedic --Dpr 22:09, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
I am going to make similar district map of Beijing that I did of Shanghai (see different districts) using several scanned tourist maps as a base. Any comments? if not, maps will appear here sometime.
Article needs two maps: 1) a map showing the city close-up, with administrative divisions; and 2) a map showing the city in relation to the surrounding province, putting its location in context. Badagnani 22:17, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
Some images appear in such a way that one picture occupies a whole new line, while two others get a new line on its own too. There's like an unneeded line; three pictures that could appear on one line now take up two lines. If anyone could get this sorted I'd appreciate it deeply -- I wish that space was used properly on the page. Thanks. --DF08 (English) 13:14, 10 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Most of the Beijing photos are gray, blurry, and haphazardly taken. Not very professional. Let's find some better photos from Flickr that are Creative Commons licensed. See Shanghai. --Naus 21:09, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
The tienmen square picture in the History column shows nothing about history Image:BeijingFromTian'anmenChenglouJul2004.jpg This shot can go on Wikitravel, but not under the history section.
A more revelan picture would be the Image:Tank Man (Tiananmen Square protester).jpg because its a historical event rather than a casual shot of tienmen square in 2004. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.142.114.141 (talk) 12:23, 15 February 2007 (UTC).
IMO one of the "owners" of this page needs to edit the text with an eye to Wikipedia style. Phrases like "Beijing is a true transportation hub" need to be ditched in favour of neutral, factual statements like "Beijing is one of the major transportation hubs in northern China". The first version is in a style often called "Comglish," (for obvious reasons), which is itself a subset of Chinglish. The last time I attempted to edit the page in this fashion it was summarily reverted, which is why I post these comments here, rather than doing it myself. --Shannonr 05:54, 24 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Does anyone know where to find out the population of the urban area of Beijing? Most websites I've come across so far, including official statistics sites, seem to give only the population of the municipality. But I doubt that's what people are looking for if they want to compare, say, the populations of the biggest cities in the world.
I'm tempted to get the stat off a "city ranking" site, but I don't know where they got their numbers from in turn, so it seems kinda sketchy to me.
The same question can be asked for Shanghai, Tianjin, Chongqing, as well as Guangzhou, Wuhan, Nanjing, etc... -- ran (talk) 05:12, Mar 2, 2005 (UTC)
I don't mean the entire municipality, I mean the "urban area" of Beijing - what you would call the "city". Unfortunately statistics bureaus in China don't seem to give this figure. -- ran (talk) 23:01, Jun 3, 2005 (UTC)
I'm trying out one of the new audio files in Mandarin from Commons in conjunction with the Audio Template. Lemme know what you think. - karmosin 01:36, Mar 4, 2005 (UTC)
I corrected a link about railways to say that Beijing had railways to all of China (and obviously there will be provinces and islands that aren't reached by rail travel), rather than just Mainland China. Mainland China is defined as China, without the two SAR. The article does say in the next paragraph that Beijing serves Hong Kong. Instantnood reverted my change. HK travel does require the visitor to go through the rigors of international travel (immigration, customs, etc) but it is still part of China. It makes little sense to exclude a region in one paragraph to then mention it in the other. Is there concensus to revert this correction? SchmuckyTheCat 02:31, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)
It seems a very, very, curious omission for an article on Beijing. No? --Sf 13:07, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
Neighbourhoods section seems unneeded,right?--Yongxinstudy 03:52, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I undertook several extensive edits of this page. If I've made any missteps, please identify or correct them or leave a message on talk page. Hope I wasn't too disruptive. (I also tried to word the administrative divisions section in such a way that a reader unfamiliar with China's administrative structure could clearly understand it). --Dpr 10:31, 5 September 2005 (UTC)
Is there a consensus as to whether the hutong-siheyuan section should be under the Culture section or Architecture section? Likewise, what about the placement of language and Beijing stereotypes? Language certainly makes sense under Demographics. Also, if contributors choose revert to the original placement of the sections that I moved, would it be possible to still retain the internal textual edits that I made? --Dpr 05:06, 6 September 2005 (UTC)
Would it be agreeable to replace all references to renminbi with RMB, with the exception of the first time it appears in an article or a section? I'd like to apply it here, but does anyone else think we can do it across Wikipedia? For one thing, it's much shorter and probably easier on the eye. Thanks. --Dpr 02:57, 8 September 2005 (UTC)
The following paragraph,
was recently changed to
1) "Damages" should revert to "damage." The English word "damage" is a non-count noun, meaning that it does not need to be expressly pluralized (adding "s") to be able to refer to more than one instance of that thing. The word "damages" typically refers to legal monetary reparations.
2) "Incessant" has replaced "intense." I will not say "intense" is the only appropriate word, as there may be others, but I don't feel "incessant" is appropriate here. It seems overly literary and not technical enough for an encyclopedia, in this context...and may express POV in the form of emotional emphasis.
3) Should this paragraph-long sentence be restructured? There were originally dashes, as can be seen, to make the structure more readable. Should be dashes be returned, or the sentence alternately restructured in some other way?
If 67.2.145.97 doesn't justify her/his edits with in 7 days, I or anyone else ought to come back and make some of these changes (reversions). Thanks. --Dpr 07:17, 11 September 2005 (UTC)
There is some disagreement about the tourism section which lists every tourist attraction in the city. I think having a list of all the tourist attractions is unnecessary and unencyclopedic because there is already a page Tourist attractions of Beijing and having a link to that page is enough. There is no need to add that list into the main beijing page, since it goes against summary style.
No featured articles have lists, especially of tourist attractions in the city. See any of these
What was 209.151.141.187 doing? --Dpr 01:15, 10 September 2005 (UTC)
The user 4point added the Japanese flag. He does similar thing in Manchu language and Forbidden City. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.18.234.2 (talk)
Since October, Subway tickets cost only 2 Yuan. No matter where you get on and where you get down. There is no discount for smartcard users
Whats the last sentence about? A joke? Tourskin (talk) 17:36, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
Do we need the Chinese characters on the names of the different universities? I suspect not...in a while if no one disagrees I'll remove them (and if any are not already labeled on the schools' article, I will place them there). --Dpr 05:51, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
In the list of city partnerships, there's a ref to Île-de-France. It is not a city, but more like 'région' (a bit like a county in the U.S.) that is made of several cities. Maybe you meant Paris or there's actually a parternship with the whole region. In the first case, the link should be modified, in the second case, the title of the section should be modified (I think it's a bit misleading). I don't know which is correct so I cannot do the edit. Tony 16:45, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
Please correct this:
City | Country | Sister City since: |
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Moscow | ![]() |
May 16, 2023 |
--Shakura 09:20, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
Sep 2000, Canberra and Beijing signed sister city relationship. Can anyone who has access add Canberra as one of the sister city of Beijing please?
Reference:
http://www.business.act.gov.au/servicestobusiness/businessdevelopment/canberras_international_relationships http://www.echinacities.com/cityguide/beijing/Biz/
Thanks. Z afan (talk) 04:33, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
Is there a reason why solar elipses gets a whole section in the article for this city? Is there something special about Beijing geographically or culturally that makes a list of solar eclipses particularly relevant when no other city's entry spends so much time on the phenomena? Just wondering, as it seems a bit strange. Ashmoo 07:08, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
Are Brahm's "Red Capital" businesses worth mentioning in this article? [2] Simesa 00:06, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
Is this article entirely unsourced? I think someone needs to sort through the external links and determine which of those need to be in a references section. Also, those books that are listed, are they sources for the article or advertising? If they're used as sources, they need to be kept, but if they're ads, they need to go ASAP. This article needs a lot of attention. - Mgm|(talk) 12:40, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
All of the travel and tourism links violated WP:EL in a variety of ways and did not improve the quality of the article. Since there were so many, I'll list them below with a summary of why I believe they should be removed. Please discuss here before relinking any of the sites.
I have just created a portal for Beijing. It would be nice to see people adding stuff to get oit out of construction...Poeloq 21:50, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
Why take the stereotype sections out of this and the Shanghai article? The sections are useful under culture. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.211.248.23 (talk) 05:05, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
It says this in the Intro.
Beijing is one of the Four Great Ancient Capitals of China. It will host the 2008 Summer Olympics.
Those two don't seem to have anything to do with each other, yet they have their own paragraph together. could somebody reword it or put it somewhere else? Thanks!Gramy! 15:20, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
Seeing as no one responded to this, I'm taking that part of the intro out. If anyone has any objections, please tell me here.--Gramy! 20:03, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
I have added a paragraph to the opening section using citation and quotes from the Encyclopædia Britannica and The New Encyclopædia Britannica, 15th edition, Macropædia article of "Beijing". I feel the lead gave a perfect illustration and introduction to the role of Beijing in Chinese culture and tradition. The entire paragraph was referenced using MLA and online citaiton format, and not to mention the information came from the most reputable encyclopedia in the world. There is absolutely no reason at all for User:Nikkul to suddenly remove it, not alone by deleting it and without consulting other editors first.--TheLeopard (talk) 18:17, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
Even if you don't supposedly agree with the "information", gave your input before removing others' contributions. Not to mention User:Nikkul removed the section "Places of interest" and other sections without given any explanation in the edit summary.--TheLeopard (talk) 18:25, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
The location of the headquarters offices of the Communist Party is to the West of the Southwest corner of the forbidden city. Here is that info from Google.com :
Zhongnanhai The Zhongnanhai is a complex of buildings in Beijing, China adjacent to the Forbidden City which serves as the central headquarters for the Communist Party of China and the government of the People's Republic of China. The term Zhongnanhai is synonymous with the leadership and government administration of the nation, and is often used as a metonym for the Chinese leadership at large (in the same sense that the term White House frequently refers to the President of the United States and his associates). Chinese Presidents, including Hu Jintao, and other top PRC leadership figures carry out many of their day-to-day administrative activities inside the compound, such as meetings with foreign dignitaries. However, the complex is shrouded in some mystery as it is closed to the general public, with photography additionally being strictly curtailed at several prominent locations such as the main gate. However, China Central Television frequently shows footage of meetings inside the compound, but limits its coverage largely to views of the interior of buildings.
a Neo Jay removed this Zhongnanhai section from themain article apparently not realizing its significance and needed inclusion...
/s/ Son of Heaven, Willy Sr —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.195.77.218 (talk) 16:02, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
Anyone fancy a collaboration on taking a shot at bringing this article up to at least GA status in time for the start of the Olympics? The content seems OK, it just needs referencing and a layout overhaul. --Joowwww (talk) 14:35, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
The High School affiliated to the Capital Normal UniversityAlexBlues (talk) 18:38, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
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