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Why is this article named like this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thereedeemedperson22 (talk • contribs) 06:20, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
I Would like to point out that, African Canadian is a incorrect term. The American stood for North America, not the United States of America.
The statement "In spite of the great contributions Black Canadians have made, many still face challenges in the society." is a subjective one.
I recommend "In spite of the great contributions Black Canadians have made" be deleted or replaced with "Although many believe Black Canadians have made great contributions..."
Racist comment by 66.63.126.171 reverted Apr 13. Bearcat 22:59, 13 Apr 2004 (UTC)
Jarome Iginla is listed as a famous black Canadian. Iginla is in fact of mixed racial origins, as pointed out in his wikipedia article. I don't know if this means his name should be moved or should remain in that section.
The article mentions Exodusters. I was not aware Exodusters had made it to Canada at any point (it was primarily a movement from the American South to Kansas). "The Blacks in Canada: A History", widely considered the definitive history of Black Canadians, doesn't seem to include any mention of them (I could be wrong though). Can anybody provide a source for this?
Is Pinball Clemons an American or Canadian? I'm not sure of his current legal status in Canada but he is certainly an American citizen.
To say that Black Canadian refers to Canadians of "African or Caribbean descent" seems misleading; many Caribbean people are of non-African origin (especially Chinese and Indian; and for that matter, European) and do not consider themselves black. Those Caribbean people of African descent would be included by saying simple "Canadians of African descent" only. So, I propose to remove the "or Caribbean" from the definition. Sharkford 20:33, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
I always thought that Black Canadians of Jamaican origin alone constituted about 50% of the general Black population in Canada ( I read in another article about Jamaicans being unfairl deported that there were more then 300 000 Jamaicans living in Canada), I'm also surprised the African % is as high as 16, are these numbers accurate? If they are, that's very interesting, where are these sources from? To the previous posts, for this article 'Black' refers to people of African descent but I also wondered if the African/Caribbean statistics omitted non-Black people from those regions who are classified as 'African' and Caribbean on census--161.57.100.3 18:31, 29 October 2005 (UTC)Anonymous X
I think I've rephrased the intro in a way that will please everyone. Please take a look.--Cuchullain 22:06, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
I must add that "African-American" is not "the accepted terminology" in the United States. Especially in the last year there has been a strong current of opinion away from the term and toward "black" or "Black," for many of the same reasons that seem to emerge in Canada. This is largely because "African-American" typically referred to former slaves only, and not Caribbean or African immigrants, even though hyphenations are typically used to describe immigrant identities. A ethnonym that excludes Barack Obama certain won't do in this day and age. dave —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.135.139.207 (talk) 23:01, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
We should leave caribbean Canadian. Blacks who are African only make 1 in 5 Blacks, so why should blacks in general be called African. If anyone went to the Caribbean and called them African, they would give you looks of deepest loathing.
- Funny how it's the other way around now lol. I hate being called Carribbean. I'm not an 'island gyal'. Africans are immigrating in greater numbers, but I think Africans should have pages for their respective ethnicities and not be lumped in.
Gawd, how I wish Toronto Star links stayed active more than a week...this would be a really choice external link here. Bearcat 08:08, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
I notice that User:Bearcat removed Michaëlle Jean from the list of Black Canadians. He claims that "we" have "repeated" many times that she does not belong on the list, but I don't see any discussion at all on this talk page regarding her inclusion (and I checked before adding her name in the first place). I think that Bearcat is acting unilaterally, and the fact that several people have apparently (without my prior knowledge) previously added her to the list shows that the consensus is actually in the other direction. Andrew Levine 22:10, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
Before long, we should spin off List of Black Canadians; there's certainly much more to be written on Black Canadian history and communities in the main article body... Samaritan 23:11, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
This article at one time contained an unsourced claim that half of all black Canadians were of Jamaican origin alone. Then, when somebody provided an actual sourced demographic breakdown, the percentage of Jamaicans was around 38, so the sentence in question was changed to "a third" accordingly. Now, all of a sudden, the claim is back to half, and the sourced percentages have been taken back out. Can somebody explain why we're removing actual sources from Wikipedia articles, and/or provide a real source to support the "half" claim? Remember that information in Wikipedia has to be verifiable. Bearcat 15:46, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
I don't have the stats but I do know that roughly 60% of all afro-canadians are jamaicans. Even if you were to come to Toronto or Vancouver you will see some Ghana's and ethiopians but the majority are probabbly jamaicans —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ihba (talk • contribs) 00:34, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
Black Crafters Guild http://craftsguild.net African Diasporans creating, decorating, and creatively altering items by hand.
Afrocentric Homeschooler Association http://blackhomeschool.org
Both nonprofit organisations are completely free and based in Ontario, Canada.
In AshleyMorton's words, "I believe this article's topic to be something that neither requires nor merits a Wikipedia article. I believe that the current low quality of the article (which seems to be not much more than a recitation of demographic statistics with the addition of a single paragraph of not-fully-relevant history) does not, as some might suggest, mean that the article should be improved. I believe, instead, that it demonstrates that a Wikipedia-quality article cannot be written on this topic. The poor article quality is, of course, just a symptom of the lack of encyclopedic nature of this topic. First, I believe that this article has been created to bolster a school of thought which believes that this identity exists. An article on that sort of racialized thinking might be valid, of course, but that's not the same thing as creating an article which should only exist if you buy into their belief system.
As an example of the sort of confused thinking that must have lead to the creation of this article, the "Ethnic group" infobox template has been used. However, this confounds the concept of a skin colour and an "ethnicity". Ethnicity, as reported by Statistics Canada (for example), includes most national identities that can be seriously considered. "Quebecois" (apologies for lack of accents) is included, as is "Canadian", "Irish", "Lebanese" and "Ethiopian". THOSE are ethnicities (or at least, they're worthy of Wikipedia articles, because they clearly encompass a set of people who understand themselves by the label. However, the set of people who understand their own ethnicity to be "Black Canadian" is very different from the set of people described by the label.
Finally, I will head off the most obvious and useless argument - which has been used both in the article and on its talk page. In fact, the first sentence of the article is, I believe, nothing more than an attempt to justify the very existence of the article. Any article that must do that is on shaky ground.) The argument basically says that because StatsCan counts it, it must be a valid article. This is an irrelevant point, as StatsCan counts numerous things that are not worthy of articles - can you picture an article with the title "Single Family Dwellings in Kenora" ??? AshleyMorton 16:56, 4 December 2006 (UTC)"
I think this applies to this article greatly.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by RyanRP (talk • contribs).
What's the correct spelling? Both spellings appear in this article. Spylab 23:54, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
I changed the opening to be more accurate and simple. The old definition left out many people who are considered, and consider themselves, black Canadians. For example, the old definition referred to citizens, which excludes people who have landed immigrant status. Also some black people might not be able to directly trace their ancestry back to Africa.
The term black Canadian refers to black people who reside in Canada.
Most black Canadians could trace their ancestry back to people who were indigenous to Africa. The vast majority have relatively recent origins in the Caribbean, while others trace their lineage to the first slaves brought by British and French colonists to British North America.
Spylab 00:01, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
This article desperately needs references. There are many stastical and historical claims that need to be backed up by reliable sources, instead as accepted as fact on the word of whoever added them to the article. Spylab 00:04, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
For dedicated editors of this page: The "Related Groups" info was removed from all ((Infobox Ethnic group)) infoboxes. Comments may be left on the Ethnic groups talk page. Ling.Nut 23:19, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
The statement "One example is Harriet Beecher Stowe, author of Uncle Tom's Cabin, who is buried in Dresden, Ontario" in the article, noting the "sizable community in Nova Scotia and Southern Ontario who trace their ancestry to freed American slaves" is completely false as Harriet Beecher Stowe is white and is buried at Phillips Academy in Andover, Massachusetts. Donkeys4ever 20:40, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
I have assessed this as Start Class, as it contains more detail and organization than would be expected of a Stub, but requires more in-line citations and an expansion of the prose. I have assessed this as low importance as it is a highly specific topic within Canada. Cheers, CP 16:31, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
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For now, I suggest leaving British Columbia out of this section in the infobox. BC doesn't have a large percentage of black people in it's cities like Vancouver and Victoria. I think that this section should be changed to say "predominantly Eastern Canada", since the vast majority of black people live there. What do you guys think? Blackjays1 (talk) 19:14, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
Seems kind of irrelavant we know the whole world is mixed, unless we are saying these are mulattos it is not a relevant statement. Considering Canada is 90 percent white it is more likely that there are white people with black ancestry, than vice versa, espcially considering how much many more black men there are than women, according to this page. If blacks are marrying whites and we are the majority it only makes sense that there kids will marry white and usually someone who is one quarter black don't look all that different than us regular whites. Saying someone is 1/8 of a race is kind of irrelvant, I highly doubt anyone in Canada is pure unless they are a F.O.B. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ihba (talk • contribs) 17:26, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
Right now there are some problems with this intro: Black Canadians or African Canadians are designations used for people of African descent who reside in Canada. The term is used by and of Canadian citizens who trace their ancestry back to people who were indigenous to Africa. The majority have relatively recent origins in the Caribbean, while some trace their lineage to the first slaves brought by British and French colonists to the mainland of North America. A minority have recent African roots.
-What exactly do we mean by african descent, most carribean people do not consider them selves anything to do with africans -Aren't all people from africa? -The part about sub-saharan africa is definitely wrong. Their are white people from zimbabwe and south africa here but they don't call themseleves black. As well Sudanese, Chadian, malian, western saharan, and other saharan people almost always consider themselves black. As well it would ignore that people from place like papua new guinea and other black looking polynesian people almost always consider themselves black and are seen so as society. even though they have nothing to do with africa -I don't really know if we can make a geographical definition of race that can be accurate, or any definition better than black people are those who look black or simply are black(which doesn't give any information really). The idea that all black people come from africa works really well on paper, but in reality when you see a black person from a middle eastern country (who got their through slavery, or migration or whatever 1000s of years ago) you still know their black. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ihba (talk • contribs) 00:47, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
According to some studies by McGill university the amount of blacks may be seriously under represented as only 1/2 of Jamaicans and Haitians are identiifying themselves on black in censuses.
"The report is a response to one consequence of African-Canadian diversity: the fact that almost half of us do not identify ourselves as "black" on Canadian census documents. Indeed, 43 percent of African-heritage respondents to the 1991 census listed themselves as French or British, or as Barbadian, Ethiopian, Ghanaian, Haitian, Somali, Jamaican, Trinidadian / Tobagonian, etc., leading to a serious undercounting of African-heritage Canadians. Wally Boxhill, a former Statistics Canada employee, re-cast the numbers to include the above groups as Black Canadians. This means that, as of 1991, there were 504, 290 blacks in Canada, not 366,625 as formerly counted."(http://news-archive.mcgill.ca/w97/black.htm)
This would mean that there are actually 1.38 or 38% more black Canadians than the stats actually show —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ihba (talk • contribs) 01:13, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
I came across references to these two books, which sound interesting. If anyone has access to them, perhaps you could add info from them directly to the article.
BrainyBabe (talk) 09:46, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
This is a ficionalised account, and as such cannot be included directed, but the notes to it suggest further sources. http://www.shunpiking.com/bhs/longwalk.htm BrainyBabe (talk) 10:43, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
This may sound like I'm going crazy, but I (Harold26) find it is politically incorrect to call someone (or a group of people) a "Black Canadian" because it could be found as racism. It's not that it is offensive, it just doesn't seem right at all to call them that. Of course, that's my opinion, and I'm not asking for the page to be moved. If you have any questions, please contact me on my talk page. Harold26 (c) 06:03, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
"Candian" is also a derogatory term used to describe African-Americans. http://www.cbc.ca/news/viewpoint/vp_burman/2008/01/is_canadian_a_racist_slur.html
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I added Donovan Bailey, Jarome Iginla and Marlene Jennings to the infobox as I thought more examples might be nice. I realize I didn't consult anyone, so if anyone has a problem with it, let me know. I realize Marlene Jennings might not be too notable but she had a picture, and I'm not great with adding new pictures to wikipedia. Anyways, I don't want it to appear partisan so if anyone can get some other pictures up there it would be great. Basser g (talk) 19:34, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
The only African representative is Jarome Iginla and the overwhelming majority of the pictures are of Caribbean Canadians. To highlight the diversity of the Black Canadian identity, there should be a few Canadians of recent African immigrant descent like Daniel Igali or The Weeknd for example. Asphyx1 (talk) 08:18, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
Gregory Charles, a wellknown black francophone entertainer from Montreal, might be a good addition to the infobox. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.202.228.51 (talk) 04:02, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
I remove the category, because it is not an ethnic group. If it were an ethnic group, the very least would be to speak the same language, but some speak Spanish, other speak English, other speak French or creole, or Portuguese.
I have strong doubts about the contents of the "related groups" sections in the infobox and in the article text : why should Black Canadians be more related to other Africa-related non-Canadian groups, like African-Americans, than to other non-Black Canadians ? Isn't Michaelle Jean married to a French man. Doesn't marriage count as a "relation" ? Doesn't that create a relation between her group and her husband's ?
For that reason, I add Template:citation needed for each mentioned so-called "related group".
Teofilo talk 01:49, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
March 24#Events says that Black Canadians were given the right to vote in 1837. This milestone event should be mentioned in the article or even have its own section. I don't know anything about the subject so I wouldn't know where to start. Thanks. – ukexpat (talk) 13:20, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
This article is great, but mostly focuses on Ontario and NS (which makes sense), where I am most African-Canadians are relatively recent refugees from Sudan, Somalia, Burundi, Rwanda, DRC. I think there are several places in Western Canada where this is the case. Here people I know identify themselves just by country (ie Rwandan or Rwandan-Canadian).
There is also a newspaper here which is Afro-Carribean (Vancouver) and very flexible re definitions and inclusion. Maybe we need more regional information - I know Montreal gets a lot more people from Haiti and francophone Africa, and, as well all know migration patterns are unique in each part of the country.
Also - I know this is a can of worms, but BC also has a lot of white South Africans - the majority of doctors in the north are South African, mostly Afrikaners. Not sure where, or how this belongs, but perhaps somewhere.
Also - there's some data noting that people in Canada are more likely to identify as mixed than people in the US. This may be worth identifying. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.180.218.83 (talk) 22:29, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
It is important to be specific about the race and culture of the people described in this article. Not everyone living in Africa is Black; many South Africans are White or East Indian, and over 90% of Egyptians are Arabs. The point is, the term Black Canadian doesn't apply to every African immigrant in Canada. Blackjays1 (talk) 07:19, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
:::I think within the context of this article it's pretty clear we are referring to black Africans origin and refer to any people of African descent. Even census canada is using the common use of the term during the recensement. http://www12.statcan.gc.ca/census-recensement/2006/dp-pd/tbt/Rp-eng.cfm?A=R&APATH=3&D1=0&D2=0&D3=0&D4=0&D5=0&D6=0&DETAIL=0&DIM=0&FL=A&FREE=0&GC=01&GID=837928&GK=1&GRP=1&LANG=E&O=D&PID=92333&PRID=0&PTYPE=88971%2C97154&S=0&SHOWALL=0&SUB=0&TABID=1&THEME=80&Temporal=2006&VID=0&VNAMEE=&VNAMEF= Analyzer99 (talk) 12:56, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
In the links provided its say --> Black 61,430 32,510 28,910
About every sources about black Canadian and the African diaspora use the same terminology. For example for the United Nation 2011 is the International Year for People of African Descent. Even a UN resolution use the term: http://www.un.org/french/documents/view_doc.asp?symbol=A/RES/64/169&TYPE=&referer=http://www.un.org/fr/events/observances/humanrights&Lang=E. Here's the same definition and terminology used in Canadian government sites and publications: http://www.multiculturalcanada.ca/Encyclopedia/A-Z/a16 Canadians of African descent include people brought to this country as slaves in the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries, former American slaves who arrived here between the American Revolution and the Civil War, free American migrants, Caribbean Peoples, and those who have come directly from Africa. Taken from the Encyclopedia of Canadian people: http://books.google.ca/books?id=dbUuX0mnvQMC&lpg=PP1&dq=Encyclopedia%20of%20Canada%27s%20Peoples&pg=PA139#v=onepage&q&f=false Even your own book you provided as link: http://books.google.ca/books?id=Eeh4L1CulqYC&lpg=PA294&dq=Canada%27s%20RMC&pg=PP1#v=snippet&q=African&f=false I provided many other sources of definition and terminology above. Analyzer99 (talk) 16:59, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
In the introduction it is mentioned that the majority of Black Canadians are Caribbean Canadians. While I don't mind the mention, but I don't think it's true anymore due to "recent" immigration from Africa (adding up to the previous historical one). My only source about this not being true anymore is: http://www12.statcan.gc.ca/census-recensement/2006/dp-pd/tbt/Rp-eng.cfm?A=R&APATH=3&D1=0&D2=0&D3=0&D4=0&D5=0&D6=0&DETAIL=0&DIM=0&FL=A&FREE=0&GC=01&GID=837928&GK=1&GRP=1&LANG=E&O=D&PID=92333&PRID=0&PTYPE=88971%2C97154&S=0&SHOWALL=0&SUB=0&TABID=1&THEME=80&Temporal=2006&VID=0&VNAMEE=&VNAMEF= I propose to change the sentence to "A large proportion of Black Canadians are Caribbean Canadians" and to remove "A minority of the population are of recent African origin". Since it's not true anymore and to be on a safe side. I have only one source to this but since it's statistic Canada it seems to be a valid one. I don't mind it one way or another, but I think it's better if the article reflect the true situation of today. Analyzer99 (talk) 13:21, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
I see that we have this problem again - that is the word black has been removed and unlinked in the lead. I take it this is due to the fact that someone believes the word is a slur in some sort of way? Because as on now the refs don't match the statement. I will post this link here Stats can so that all can see the wording used in Canada...Will revert after someone else see this.Moxy (talk) 14:25, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
The intro text says "Many of the first visible minorities to hold high public offices have been Black, including Michaëlle Jean..." What office was Michaëlle Jean the first visible minority to hold? She is not the first visible minority to hold the position of Canadian Governor General; her direct predecessor, Adrienne Clarkson, is Chinese-Canadian. 71.7.236.19 (talk) 04:25, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
Could this article be rewritten or deleted? According to Category:Black Canadian people, the label includes people of African descent, West Indies descent and African-Americans. The only commonality is a distant shared ancestry and a skin color. There isn't any similar racial grouping in Category:Canadian people by ethnic or national origin for other groups. It is worth having separate articles for each ethnic heritage or, at least, have subsections within this article.
It's a catch-all category based on race alone and it should ultimately be eliminated in favor of articles based on ethnic heritage. Liz Read! Talk! 18:32, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
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The beginning of the History section asserts:
However, the subsection on First Black People in Canada refers to over 1,000 slaves brought by French before 1760. In addition, the subsection on African Americans during the American Revolution states:
Questions: 1. When were those slaves freed? The statement that slaves were brought to Canada by French and British whites before 1800 contradicts the earlier assertion that free will applies to "all of these groups". 2. Does 2,500 refer to the slaves, the loyalists, or combined total?
I suggest that the introductory paragraph of the History section be rewritten to summarize more accurately. Martindo (talk) 10:27, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
Hedy Fry is not a Black Canadian. Not everyone from Trinidad is black, and Hedy has made it clear that her ethnic origin is not black at all... something that you can even find in the first few sentences of her Wikipedia page: https://twitter.com/hedyfry/status/55464839086227456
This isn't meant to undermine her accomplishments, but she should not have a place on this page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.148.59.125 (talk) 20:13, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
Jean Alfred was a teacher and a hardline member of the Parti Québécois. Born in Ouanaminthe, Haïti, he was elected to the Assemblée nationale du Québec in 1976. I feel this should be mentionned somewhere ; he was the first black person to be elected in Québec history and was very appreciated. Information about him is unsurprisingly scarce in english, but here he is quite known as "the father of the Gatineau hospital". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:56B:DE4D:C800:F847:1216:4CD1:759D (talk) 01:54, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
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I don't think them calling themselves Caribbean-Canadian has anything to do with race, but simply their Caribbean heritage which is multi-racial. @Vaselineeeeeeee Freee Contributor (talk) 20:17, 8 March 2024 (UTC)