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Who the heck is dropping fact tags on the most basic info like her status as a Lebanese Maronite. Yeah because swarthy looking people named "Gabriel" are always from other places, there are no Gabriel's in Lebanon. Quit politicizing the article with tags, idiots.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.66.26.32 (talk) 11:50, 16 December 2006
How about no dirka dirka jihads edit this page or even comment it because it apparently pisses em off. Let her views and accounts be put into the article. After all she was THERE and you all weren't so who are you to contradict that?? Someones got to take out this "she claims' stuff. It is obviously biased.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.49.174.56 (talk) 23:02, 21 January 2007
Well, the article is not an article it is a piece of an Internet encyclopedia. Ms Gabriel is not an expert in Middle Eastern politics, or Islam. Gabriel is also not a party to U.S intelligence, nor has she ever held any office that would give her access to such information. Her educational background is business administration - so what she says is claim, it's her opinion she is not notable enough, nor does she have the educational or professional background to be considered an expert or notable source of reliable information in this particular area (middle eastern conflicts, Islam, geopolitics etc). Orasis (talk) 04:22, 13 December 2013 (UTC)
What??? Not an expert on Middle East politics or Islam??? You have to be kidding. And you are?
Look, when I see things like she is an "anti-Islamic extremism activist" or labeling someone as a "conspiracy theorist," or "Islamophobe," "neocon," etc. etc. in any article, it loses all credibility. That is a sign that it is extremely biased. This is the problem with Wikipedia. It's largely written by people who cannot be objective and refuse to leave their personal biases out. The majority of articles I have read on individuals are all based on someone's opinion, which they often arrive at by citing other extremely biased less than credible sources, such as (and I see this one often) the "Southern Poverty Law Center," an organization funded directly by George Soros! Hardly unbiased or credible!
And further, Brigitte Gabriel IS notable among anyone who is seriously interested in the threat of Islam and Sharia in the United States, terrorism, who wishes to hear honest debate, not "politically correct" psychobabble, and is interested in a history of how we got where we are today, a topic which she is far more qualified to speak on than anyone contributing to these articles.
In addition, Brigitte Gabriel uses primary sources in her lectures, quoting from the Qur'an, and documents written by the Muslim Brotherhood, especially "The Project," a 1982 document discovered in 2001, a copy of which she has, and which discusses their 100 year plan for World Domination, and how they will conquer America and the West via "civilization jihad." WilliamNOtis (talk) 13:57, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
There is one piece of the article which I think should be deleted, the small paragraph claiming that Gabriel previously incorrectly identified Hezbollah as the organization that terrorized her family from 1975 to 1982. It is sourced by a website entitled Al-Ahram Weekly. I looked at it, and the article appears to be nothing more than a long rant against Gabriel, hurling insults at her. The website is also extremely anti-Israel and makes several false accusations against it. In light of this, I am not sure how reliable the claim that she made the alleged mistake is, especially considering I have found no other source supporting the idea. If another one cannot be found, then the paragraph should be deleted, as its current source contains errors and bias. --69.128.204.110 (talk) 04:42, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
I looked at the website again and found more factual errors that it makes about Brigitte Gabriel. I do not find it reliable and am removing the paragraph that I previously spoke of until another source can be found. --69.128.204.110 (talk) 15:52, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
All you have to do, is to look below to see that Dr. Frank Lamb's article was published by other sites other than Al-Ahram. Therefore your beef with Al-Ahram falls apart over here. Moreover you cannot get rid of a source just because you believe it is biased. In other words you have to find a source that says Dr. Frank Lamb is biased, in order to remove it. That's way it's done. Otherwise you saying it is biased, could be perceived as your own POV. George Al-Shami (talk) 07:09, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
Okay. Maybe, if he has been published by other sites, a different one could be used other than Al-Ahram. I won't remove it again, but the website itself appears to be biased. Would you call a website that contains a number of inflammatory anti-Semitic cartoons unbiased? --69.128.204.110 (talk) 21:55, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
Well, around the world, there is no news organization that is 100% unbiased, just by talking about one thing and not talking about something else; you could mention a bias. For instance the Dutch newspaper that printed the Muhammad cartoons; can we say they're biased against Muslims? Up until now people had a problem with Al-Ahram, not because of the alleged anti-jewish cartoons, but because of its former pro- (Egyptian)regime bias. However I don't think you could frame a news organization to be anti-jewish, just because it printed cartoons that some would consider offensive. I'm from North America, and I could tell you that I have seen many caricatures of the stereotypical Jew in North American newspapers. I saw that once in USA today, and in the New York Times; and the New York Times is owned by a German Jewish family. There is a URL below that features the article by Dr. Frank Lamb from a different site, but I am reticent to use it, because the host site is not as prestigious as Al-Ahram online. But, I forgot to mention, most importantly, that if you want to remove it; you have to have a consensus. Al-Ahram is an old newspaper that was founded in 1897; a blog does not carry the same weight as Al-Ahram. Furthermore I believe you are making generalizations just because you read or was told by somebody about a cartoon in Al-Ahram. I have read Al-Ahram for many years, and I could tell you that, aside from supporting the recently deposed Mubarak, it was a pretty credible site, which published many articles from Western political analysts and thinkers. As it stands now, there is no consensus to remove the Al-Ahram source, and I don't think the below URL, which also published Dr. Frank Lamb's article, is as credible as Al-Ahram. If you have problems with Al-Ahram, then the onus is on you to find another credible site that has published Dr. Frank Lamb's article.George Al-Shami (talk) 02:28, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
Maybe the alternate Dr Franklin Lamb article located at http://www.worldproutassembly.org/archives/2008/03/from_lebanon_wi.html might be better since it lists his credentials at the end of the article, and they are substantial: Franklin P. Lamb, PhD Director, Americans Concerned for Middle East Peace, Wash.DC-Beirut Senior Fellow, The Institute for Middle East Policy Dialogue, USA
His published book: The Price We Pay: A Quarter Century of Israel's use of American Weapons against Lebanon (1978-2006) is available at Amazon.com.uk or Lebanese Bookstores (soon also in Arabic). And in the USA, the title is available at www.LebaneseBooks.com, and currently enjoys Free Standard Shipping.122.107.147.121 (talk) 15:24, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
Sorry, I didn't see it but his credentials are also listed on the Al-Ahram site as well: The writer is director of Americans Concerned for Middle East Peace, Washington, DC-Beirut, and is senior fellow at the Institute for Middle East Policy Dialogue.
So what that previous IP complainer was on about I don't know. I found another link http://www.countercurrents.org/lamb250208.htm but I think Al-Ahram is just fine.122.107.147.121 (talk) 03:26, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
The issue at hand is Dr. Franklin Lamb's ability to be objective in his assertions that Brigitte Gabriel is lying. That is a bold and libelous statement on his part. According to Ms. Gabriel's New York Times bestselling book that details the account of her life during war she indeed lived in a bomb shelter. Even in his own article Dr. Lamb neglects to point out one single person by name that would go on record with him saying that Ms. Gabriel is not telling the truth when giving her account of the bomb shelter scenario. It raises the red flag of verification and unless it can be substantiated (verified) by someone else other than Dr. Lamb it should be removed from the article entry. Ccslick (talk) 23:21, 1 August 2011 (UTC)Ccslick
Dr. Franklin Lamb's name being associated to the cite on Al-Ahram has VERY SERIOUS problems concerning it's attribution to Dr. Lamb given that the article is clearly copyrighted by Al-Ahram Weekly. All rights reserved, while asserting that; "* The writer is director of Americans Concerned for Middle East Peace, Washington, DC-Beirut, and is senior fellow at the Institute for Middle East Policy Dialogue. A version of this article was first published on PalestineChronicle.com." PalestineChronicle.com search function reports "We did not find results for: Lost from Lebanon" and for "Franklin Lamb" it yields 83 articles ONE of which is titled "From Lebanon with Hate" http://palestinechronicle.com/view_article_details.php?id=13510 which appears to be THE ACTUAL SOURCE of the "plagiarized" copy used in the GROSSLY BIASED REWRITE "VERSION" presented by the Al-Ahram Weekly who has also claimed a fraudulent copyright in it. Obviously ANY attribution should be made to the ORIGINAL article not only because the source document CAN be verified, and under Wikipedia rules "Content that violates any copyrights will be deleted" and as a result of this PROOF ANY copy cited as Al-Ahram Weekly should be considered as an UNRELIABLE SOURCE regardless of any 'opinion' that it is a 'pretty credible site'. Changed cite.
Zparqi (talk) 05:45, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
NOTE: The "From Lebanon with Hate" article was not found at the above link to palestinechronicle.com, but was found at this link: http://www.palestinechronicle.com/from-lebanon-with-hate/#.U7IlqaiZVTc The article is dated February 22, 2008, and was found by searching "Franklin Lamb" on the palestinechronicle site, and scrolling down through three or four pages of article titles to the date. Christian424 (talk) 04:13, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
I'm removing the paragraph with the claim by Lamb that Gabriel said her family was terrorized by Hizbullah during the Lebanon War. In the three years since this paragraph was added, no one has found any source for Lamb's claim, which Lamb himself did not reference. Lamb made the claim in order to argue that Gabriel was loose with the truth, but as he did not give any reference as to where or when Gabriel made the accusation against Hizbullah, Lamb's claim can not be considered reliable.Jdkag (talk) 05:01, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
Gabriel has been accused of being 'anti-Islam' and Islamophobic. She has made sweeping remarks about Muslims.
Generally if someone has made such remarks about Jews, and media sources called this person, we would title the section antisemitism.VR talk 07:38, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
Gabriel does not criticize Muslims in general but rather the religion and the Islamic terrorist attacks (which number up to almost seventeen thousand since the 9/11). She has stated numerous times that she does not believe all Muslims are terrorists and that she even knows a few moderates. Criticism of a religion is not racist. Islam is not a race. Nor is questioning the claims that Islam is a "religion of peace" a "phobia." A phobia is by definition an irrational fear. There are Islamic terrorist attacks every day, so being skeptical towards the "religion of peace" slogan is perfectly understandable, especially for someone who grew up in the middle of it. Accusing someone who disagrees with you of having a phobia is a poor attempt to dodge criticism and actually rather juvenile. --69.128.204.110 (talk) 18:32, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
"A phobia is by definition an irrational fear." In the Crusades of the Middle Ages, from years 1095 to 1291, it's estimated that Christians killed anywhere from 20,000 and 500,000 Muslims. Adolph Hitler, a Catholic, is estimated to have been responsible for the murder of 5 million Jews. Harry Truman, a Southern Baptist, killed over 100-thousand Japanese by dropping atomic weapons. Andrew Jackson, a Presbyterian, killed an untold numbers of Native Americans in his zeal to colonize the west. George W. Bush, a Methodist, ordered the invasion of Iraq and is the man most responsible for the deaths of 100's of thousands of Iraqis. Timothy McVeigh, a Catholic, killed 169 people in the Oklahoma City bombing. The overwhelming majority of serial murders are white males of some Christian faith. But it's the 19 al-Qaeda terrorists, who murdered the nearly 3,000 people, who inspire a rational fear? You tell me, what is an irrational fear and what is real? Is the fear based on facts, on the historical record, or on someone's ethnic or religious affiliation? It seems as though if the world were being rational, it has most to fear from white Christians. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.98.121.228 (talk) 01:49, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
Uh, do you have something against Caucasions? A person really can't help the color of their skin.
Aside from that, a few of your facts are inaccurate. Timothy McVeigh claimed to have a few "Catholic values" but in regards to religion said he was an Agnostic. Hitler, though on a rare occasion referenced God for political benefit, is clear to have been disgusted by Christianity. He called it "an invention of the Jew," a product of "sick brains," and "gutless." In fact, the Nazis listed Geistlich (pastors, priest, and clergy) right alongside Jews in the concentration camps. The majority of Europeans who sheltered Jews during WWII were Christians. I would hardly label Hitler a Christian. As for America's war with Iraq, there was a strong suspicion of nuclear weapons, which could easily result in mass destruction. Your number of deaths is in addition highly inflated.
On the other hand, there have been in the last ten years an estimate of seventeen thousand Islamic terrorist attacks. Their literature often refers to Israel as "the small Satan" and America as "the great Satan." Is further comment necessary? --12.187.9.2 (talk) 22:06, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
"ACT! for America has been widely described as anti-Muslim." hardly seems relevant enough to have in her intro paragraph. This can be talked about later down when ACT! is brought up again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nimic86 (talk • contribs) 04:26, 19 May 2017 (UTC)
I tidied up a lot of the old discussions. Clearly the living subject is a bit controversial. Moving forward, please remember WP:BLP applies on talkpages also, attacking opinionated uncited claims and comments about living people are violations of policy. Also please keep discussion focused on content additions and removals etc and avoid WP:FORUM discussions and please avoid posting external links that are not WP:RS as such they are of no benefit to the article because they are unable to be added to it, thanks. Off2riorob (talk) 16:32, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
There have been unacceptable breaches of Wikipedia policy on this article. New editors in particular should read WP:COI and WP:3RR, as well as perhaps taking some comfort from WP:BALANCE. In the meantime, I recommend some WP:TEA and while you drink it, I've semi-protected the article. --Dweller (talk) 16:57, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
In editing Ms. Gabriel's page today I did not think there would be this eruption and such a war here. I dont think that it really helps the article to have her name as other than Brigitte Gabriel and for security and privacy purposes it should be deleted. The article is a negative portrayal of what her mission and I know that being a public figure as she is there are always going to negative things written about such a controversial person but in all fairness maybe you could have written some positives about her in the article to balance the negatives. I appreciate your help in the editing process and you did a great job with your research. I just recommend that the article remove her name and in its place as Brigitte Gabriel only. Also lastly, the Alan Kornman incident was not of her doing and she is not affiliated with this at all. Yes, it happenned at an ACT Chapter Meeting but it was denounced by her and the matter was taken care of. Once again - thank you for your edits and your research. I just wish we would could have some fairness her.
Catherine Martin —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cocomac7 (talk • contribs) 17:10, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
Can you please add / change the following: Gabriel also used to tell audiences that Hezbollah <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hezbollah> was the group that terrorized her family for the seven years between 1975 and 1982. She stopped making this claim after people objected, pointing out that Hezbollah was formed after she left Lebanon, as a direct result of the Israeli invasion and occupation of 1982.[13] <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brigitte_Gabriel#cite_note-AL-AHRAMweeklyonlin e-12>
(She never made that statement and said that Hezbollah terrorized her family. She always say that Hezbollah was founded in 1982. She always say that the Muslims formed "Jaish Libnan Al-Arabi" Arabic Lebanese Army headed by Ahmed Al-Kahtib and those are the ones who bombed her home).
Also please change this paragraph below:
Using the name Nour Semaan, Gabriel was a news anchor for World News, an Arabic-language evening news broadcast of Middle East Television <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_East_Television> , a Marjayoun-based station that was run by the now defunct SLA <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Lebanon_Army> and funded by Israel <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel> .[16] <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brigitte_Gabriel#cite_note-15> [13] <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brigitte_Gabriel#cite_note-AL-AHRAMweeklyonlin e-12> Broadcast in Israel, Egypt <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egypt> , Syria <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syria> , Jordan <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jordan> and Lebanon <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebanon> , through her work there, Gabriel covered the Israeli withdrawal from central Lebanon, the Israeli Security Zone (occupied South Lebanon), and the Palestinian uprising in the West Bank <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Bank> and Gaza <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza> . The television station moved to Cyprus for a time and was later purchased by Pat Robertson <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pat_Robertson> .[13] <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brigitte_Gabriel#cite_note-AL-AHRAMweeklyonlin e-12> Gabriel moved to Israel[13] <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brigitte_Gabriel#cite_note-AL-AHRAMweeklyonlin e-12> before immigrating to the United States in 1989 where she founded e-12> a television production, marketing and advertising agency.[17] <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brigitte_Gabriel#cite_note-AboutMsGabriel-16>
To this:
Using the name Nour Semman, Gabriel was a news anchor for World News, The Arabic language evening news broadcast for Middle East Television and was based in Jerusalem Israel from 1984 till 1989. Broadcast in Israel, Egypt <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egypt> , Syria <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syria> , Jordan <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jordan> and Lebanon <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebanon> , through her work, Gabriel covered the Israeli withdrawal from central Lebanon, the Israeli Security Zone in southern Lebanon, and the Palestinian uprising in the West Bank <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Bank> and Gaza <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza> . The TV station was based in Nicosia Cyprus. Gabriel immigrated to the United States in 1989 where she founded a television production, marketing and advertising agency. —Preceding unsigned comment added by CatherineMartin7 (talk • contribs) 19:05, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
Article by Bob Smietana of the Tennessean the other day gives Gabriel's real name as Hanah Kahwagi Tudor; it is actually Hanan Kahwagi Tudor. Should be added and cited.
- Ylanne — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ylanne (talk • contribs) 04:58, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
Dr. Franklin Lamb's name being associated to the cite on Al-Ahram has VERY SERIOUS problems concerning it's attribution to Dr. Lamb given that the article is clearly copyrighted by Al-Ahram Weekly. All rights reserved, while asserting that; "* The writer is director of Americans Concerned for Middle East Peace, Washington, DC-Beirut, and is senior fellow at the Institute for Middle East Policy Dialogue. A version of this article was first published on PalestineChronicle.com." PalestineChronicle.com search function reports "We did not find results for: Lost from Lebanon" and for "Franklin Lamb" it yields 83 articles ONE of which is titled "From Lebanon with Hate" http://palestinechronicle.com/view_article_details.php?id=13510 which appears to be THE ACTUAL SOURCE of the "plagiarized" copy used in the GROSSLY BIASED REWRITE "VERSION" presented by the Al-Ahram Weekly who has also claimed a fraudulent copyright in it. Obviously ANY attribution should be made to the ORIGINAL article not only because the source document CAN be verified, and under Wikipedia rules "Content that violates any copyrights will be deleted" and as a result of this PROOF ANY copy cited as Al-Ahram Weekly should be considered as an UNRELIABLE SOURCE regardless of any 'opinion' that it is a 'pretty credible site'. Changed cite. Zparqi (talk) 05:51, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
I removed the text that asserts that Brigitte Gabriel previously claimed that it was Hezbollah who terrorized her family from 1975 to 1982. Please allow the edit to remain. Gabriel never made such a claim. Yes, the material is sourced (by a newspaper that is openly anti-semitic), but that does not necessarily guarantee its accuracy. The person who wrote the article was trying to discredit her. To each his own oppinion, but the statement alleging Gabriel's "error" is blatantly not true. --96.60.171.236 (talk) 05:39, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
Why do you insist on keeping text that is inaccurate? As I have previously stated, Brigitte Gabriel never once claimed that Hezbollah was the organization that terrorized her family from 1975 to 1982. The author of the Al-Ahram Weekly article made a mistake. From the very beginning Gabriel has always described Hezbollah as being formed in 1982, and unless you can find one speech that she delivered that said otherwise, allow my edit to stand. --96.60.171.236 (talk) 22:37, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
96.60.171.236 how do you know Dr. Frank Lamb made a mistake? How can we verify that he made a mistake? You seem to argue a lot about the personal details of BG to the point, where I suspect you are BG herself. Whether you are or you aren't it doesn't matter, you are not above the rules of Wikipedia. A number of editors have reverted your edit, because it does not follow wiki guidelines. It is not up to you to say whether something is true or not unless you have a reliable source that disproves Dr. Frank Lamb. You have been warned about this, if you continue, then this will be taken to the noticeboard.George Al-Shami (talk) 23:11, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
In answer to your "suspicions," no, I am not Brigitte Gabriel, nor have I ever met her in person. It is your choice whether or not to believe me, or to continue on with the ridiculous assumption that every time a person attempts to remove a bit of false criticism from a Wikipedia page, it must be the act of the subject him/herself. As seen above in this section, I am not the only editor who believes that this particular material should be deleted. I have twice explained my reasons for doing so.
In addition, the source is strongly anti-Semitic in nature. The author slams Gabriel right and left, repeatedly insulting her in ways that go beyond criticism and border on a personal attack. He accuses her of making a false claim, yet he never quotes her or gives a source. The article is not entirely accurate on a few other points. He argues that she was never in Lebanon after the creation of Hezbollah, though according to Gabriel's account and this Wikipedia page, she was.
If anything, do not state his assertion as pure fact. Dr. Lamb has not provided evidence for his accusation, so in order to make the statement a little more balanced, why not alter it to something more along the lines of "She has been accused of previously claiming..."? --96.60.171.236 (talk) 03:09, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
The newspaper under which the article was published has featured a number of highly offensive anti-Semitic cartoons and made claims that Jews "make Matza from the blood of non-Jewish children." Considering that the subject of this Wikipedia page, who is being verbally attacked in this newspaper, is a strong supporter of Israel, don't you think the accuracy of the claims should be called into question? If it is going to be unbiased, state that Dr. Lamb has accused her of error but stay neutral on whether or not this is true. --96.60.171.236 (talk) 20:34, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
I am going to rephrase the statement. Reasons have been explained. --96.60.171.236 (talk) 03:57, 11 November 2011 (UTC)
I added that she was called "deranged" by Hussein Ibish.
http://www.ibishblog.com/blog/hibish/2009/10/01/brigitte_gabriel_vicious_and_probably_deranged_islamophobe Boobymonster (talk) 18:32, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
<personal attack redacted> IraqiLion (talk) 10:53, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
Added that Brigitte Gabriel is antisemitic based on this video created by Omar Baddar
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NrNXgd-_oY Boobymonster (talk) 18:41, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
It's a bit of a stretch to interpret this statement by Gabriel as "anti-semitic". I was ready to say Omar Baddar looked like a credible individual, but delusive attacks like the one above demonstrate why Wikipedia policy requires editorial oversight in matters like this.Here is Brigitte on the alleged "genetic defect" of most Jews:
"Anti-Semites and Anti-Israelis have tapped into that part of the DNA of most Jews that paralyzes them from being confrontational when attacked."
—May 6, 2005, "Environments of Hate", frontpagemag.com
time
and quote
, makes this easy. / edg ☺ ☭ 12:47, 17 February 2012 (UTC)A significant portion of this article was deleted on the basis that it is Gabriel's own testimony. However, that is pretty much the only account of her background available. She lived in the bomb shelter with her parents, who are both deceased. The militia fighters who rescued them when they became trapped were killed in the fighting. If the issue is that better sources are needed, add them rather than blanking the whole section. --68.6.227.26 (talk) 00:04, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
It has previously been pointed out that Al-Ahram Weekly has published anti-Semitic cartoons and has made the claim that Jews "make Matzah from the blood of non-Jewish children." It seems to be anti-Israel as well, and Brigitte Gabriel is a strong supporter of Israel.
In any case, I don't see the need to go into detail about the different ways the source attempts to discredit Gabriel's personal account. The claim about Gabriel supposedly telling audiences incorrect information about Hezbollah is one of many attacks the author of the Al-Ahram Weekly article makes. --68.6.227.26 (talk) 22:54, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
Almost every section of this article uses language that critiques, slurs, or denigrates Ms. Gabriel. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.177.196.183 (talk) 21:18, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
I was going to say the same thing. The primary references are WAPO and NYTimes which are terribly biased against her. And quotes were taken from opposition only, no friendlies who attended events or interviewed her. This is a horrible misrepresentation of her and only goes to show the biased, leftist views of Wikipedia. Kielmj (talk) 13:07, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
She really has nothing to more to add to the overall conversation than any other person out there. The key to her success has been the timing of her entry into politics( during crisis in the middle east, her birthplace (though distant from her now) and her looks ( a middle eastern profile. These three factors were what Americans were looking for at the time of her entry into the media circus of post-911. Does she have any real different perspective on things, no. As is stated in the opening of the wikipedia article on her, she merely is the voice of everyday people. This fact should be more prominent throughout the article.101.51.237.131 (talk) 01:26, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
Those who hear her can decide if she contributes new information/insights/experiences. This WP article was useful to me. (After re-reading this section, I see your point(s). Feel free to edit the article with your wisdom.) — Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 14:07, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
I'm not fan of Debbie Schlussel but there are alot of interesting notes she mentions about the historic inaccuracies of about the bomb shelter account and how Brigitte Gabriel is profiting nicely after 9/11 when prior her family were struggling from her husband Charles Tudor failing busniess. Its 40 mins long but I recommend it be listened to. To avoid an editing war since I'm not sure where podcasts stand under references rules according Wiki . I decided not to add it to the article. --♥Yasmina♥ (talk) 02:27, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
We've been discussing this in the BLP noticeboard in relation to another article where the same edit was made. Please take a look and let's talk. Jason from nyc (talk) 01:41, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
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Numerous citations in this article point to "Gabriel 2006" as the source. As far as I can tell, the article doesn't actually describe what this source is. I'm guessing that it's a book written by the subject of the article, likely "Because They Hate: A Survivor of Islamic Terror Warns America" . Two issues about using this as a source. First, as a biased non-scholarly book, it is not a reliable source. Second, WP:SELFSOURCE warns against using sources written by the actual subject of an article in the article itself, unless i) The material is neither unduly self-serving nor an exceptional claim. ii) It does not involve claims about third parties (such as people, organizations, or other entities). iii) It does not involve claims about events not directly related to the subject. iv) There is no reasonable doubt as to its authenticity. v) The article is not based primarily on such sources. Current use of the book violates those principles. I'm going to remove the self sourcing, and replace with citation need tags. LK (talk) 09:49, 14 January 2017 (UTC)
I've changed the title of the "Early Life" section as there is no need for "Personal account of" to preceed it. EG: https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=site%3Awikipedia.org+%22Personal+account+of+early+life%22&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8 - no other articles do this. Instead I've added it to the section itself, not the title. Phatwa (talk) 11:48, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
The reference to Israel funding Middle East Television has a footnote #23 but that footnote's content doesn't reference Israel and ME Television has a wiki page that clearly states its owner is a Christian network based in Indiana. I believe the reference is intentionally stated wrongly to give the impression she worked for an Israeli network by distorting the fact that ME Television broadcast off an Israeli satellite. Jomiku (talk) 22:00, 22 March 2017 (UTC)
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The opening paragraph concludes with "ACT! for America has been widely described as anti-Muslim." This is inaccurate, and no citations were provided in an attempt to back up this claim. This sentence should either be removed or concluded with a notification that citations are needed to support this point. 50.101.246.28 (talk) 16:41, 23 May 2017 (UTC)
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Brigitte Gabriel (Arabic: بريجيت غابرييل; born Hanan Qahwaji,[3] 21 October 1964) is an American conservative journalist, author, political lecturer, anti-Islam activist, and founder of two non-profit political organizations, the American Congress For Truth and ACT! for America. ACT! for America has been widely described as anti-Muslim. Ruby1991 (talk) 08:36, 24 May 2017 (UTC) Brigitte Gabriel (Arabic: بريجيت غابرييل; born Hanan Qahwaji,[3] 21 October 1964) is an American conservative journalist, author, political lecturer, anti-radical-Islam activist, and founder of two non-profit political organizations, the American Congress For Truth and ACT! for America. ACT! for America has been widely described as anti-Muslim.
We should use restraint in terms of direct quotation. We do not need multiple paragraphs of lengthy direct quotation from the subject, from primary sources (e.g., interview with a website). There are still some direct quotations, which are OK in moderation so long as not excessive. We are an encyclopedia, not a megaphone for the subject's views. Neutralitytalk 02:34, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
There is NO evidence that Gabriel met with Donald Trump at the White House. In fact, she did not, so the entry is incorrect. She merely met with an aide. Should be corrected — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.119.70.74 (talk) 12:16, 3 July 2017 (UTC)
…by the Christian Science Monitor. (under Opinions on Islam)
Only it wasn't, they applied her assertion only to Europe, throughout the entire article. They even admit this:
"Note that this is an extrapolation of estimates gathered in Europe; Gabriel’s claim refers to a percentage of Muslims worldwide. That total number is more than 1.6 billion, according to the Pew Research Center."[1]
…and then continue. Bit shameless really. As such, I think this is a disingenuous use of the article to act as a rebuttal and will remove it. If anyone wishes to improve upon it to keep it in, I'm for that too, just put it below and we can hash something out. Yb2 (talk) 02:00, 8 September 2017 (UTC)
Forgive me, but I need some clarification on this matter. First, is what is in question whether or not Brigitte Gabriel made the claim about 15-25% of Muslims (she did), or is it whether the claim is accurate (depends)? Is the source intended to provide verification that she made the claim, or is it an attempt to prove or disprove the claim? And is what is being requested that the quote by Gabriel be removed, or the source? From my perspective, the quote is wildly incomplete. Just that single line, without the context of the rest of her commentary during the panel, is misrepresentative. I think best would be to simply link to the video of the panel where she made the claim ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-vvoRwJSPc ), which provides full context - but then it gets into the area of primary sources and copyright, which would have to be sorted out, and I'm not that deeply attached to the matter to put in the time. As to CSM's article, it is a reliable source, but the purpose of a source is to provide verifiable reference to what is quoted, not necessarily to present counterclaims, unless that is what the article is overtly providing - which it is not. As to whether it has been deemed 'false' is not in evidence, as the source is overtly an opinion piece (not 'just the facts'), and clearly has a POV it is pushing forward. We can just as easily find reliable sources that include her quote, and which are supportive of her opinion (and it is an opinion she expressed, regardless of how she elaborates it). Anastrophe (talk) 03:12, 9 September 2017 (UTC)
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can we add her twitter profile picture as a picture of her? Notumengi (talk) 14:24, 11 September 2017 (UTC)
@Notumengi Trying to find a picture of anyone with no copyright restrictions is like trying to find a needle in a hay stack. It is a worthless endeavor. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Daxri (talk • contribs) 16:03, 29 November 2017 (UTC)
I find it odd that a category of "criticism" is included. I have not seen this on other pages and looked at some controversial figures to see if their pages included that. They did not. Seems like an effort to discredit Brigitte Gabriel. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:304:CF36:E4C0:7DD6:5712:B9D5:B090 (talk) 23:47, 16 October 2017 (UTC)
criticism because none of her claims are verified — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:908:191:5FA0:901A:542C:ACB7:C8B0 (talk) 11:30, 7 July 2018 (UTC)
There is someone who keeps replacing her introduction with NO citations. If you're going to change her introduction or anything on this page, it must be cited.
Daxri — Preceding unsigned comment added by Daxri (talk • contribs) 03:56, 29 November 2017 (UTC)
It has happened again. Someone is deleting the introduction that has 3 citations and is replacing it with an introduction that has ZERO citations. If you are going to change anything on this page, it must be cited. Daxri
It has happened again. Someone is engaging in an "edit war" with me and is giving NO citations. This is currently NO citations for the Brigitte Gabriel introduction. How is wikipedia page introduction allowed to have NO citations? Daxri —Preceding undated comment added 15:56, 29 November 2017 (UTC)
That's ridiculous. Everything in an encyclopedia should have citations. I cited a biography done on her about her anti-terrorism work and also cited to a list of her books as proof that she is an author. The list is on a website that has no way for anyone to buy the books, so it's not promotional. It's literally just a list of books she's published. She is an author. That should be included in her occupations as well as her introduction. Daxri —Preceding undated comment added 21:54, 29 November 2017 (UTC)
I'd also like to know how it's "peacock" material to state that she is an author who has published 3 books and has done counter terrorism work. Those are both facts. Not "peacock". Daxri —Preceding undated comment added 22:01, 29 November 2017 (UTC)
It is obvious that I disagree with what WP:LEAD says. As I stated before saying someone is an author and has done anti-terrorism activism work is not peacock. Those are facts. That's what she has done with her career: write books, give lectures, and go anti-terrorism activism. Facts. Which I cited and then you deleted. Daxri
No, both of you are being ridiculous and you are misinterpreting my words. I DISAGREE with YOUR INTERPRETATION of the polices. AS I stated before, I didn't break any policies because what I wrote wasn't "peacock" it was facts. Ya'll obviously have an issue with Brigitte Gabriel, because you won't allow facts about her career on this page. Daxri
Like I said I don't believe I broke any rules or guidelines, because what I wrote were facts not "peacock." As for@NickCT You are supposed to state BOTH. For example: "Some sources have called Brigitte Gabriel/Pamela Geller an Islamaphone<give citation> and other sources have stated that her counter-terrorism advocacy is mistaken for Islamaphobia<give citation>. THAT'S CALLED BEING UNBIASED. But all of you obviously have a bias because you're only writing one side. You are supposed to write BOTH sides to be unbiased. Daxri —Preceding undated comment added 00:55, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
No, still not accurate. The majority of Americans in the 1820's believed slavery was a good thing. Does that mean we say "Well the majority of sources say slavery is great, thus that's the only side we'll report." Or something more recent, in the year 2008, most Americans believed gay marriage is wrong, does that mean we report only one side saying "Gay marriage is wrong"????? No you report all sides of an argument. Just because the majority believe something, does NOT make it true. This is called a "Consensus Fallacy." This level 101 in argumentative writing. You must report both sides because only reporting one due to its majority appeal is not accurate. Especially when it comes to a person and their reputation. Daxri —Preceding undated comment added 20:16, 12 December 2017 (UTC)
Which I DID. I reported that she does counter-terrorism advocacy with ONE cited source while keeping the line about her being an "Islamaphobe" which had several more sources. Sounds weighted to me. This goes for both Brigitte Gabriel and Pamela Geller (seeing as how my edits on Geller were also brought up on this Brigitte Gabriel thread). Daxri —Preceding undated comment added 20:54, 12 December 2017 (UTC)
I'm concerned about the sourcing for her birth name - the article attributes it to an unnamed source. Has she stated it anywhere? --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 20:58, 30 November 2017 (UTC)
as a christian Man i say none of her claims are verified. In Syria and Lebanon there are tons of christians living next door with Muslims
The article is almost structured in a debate format, with a section for her viewpoints, criticisms and her response. This is not the preferred structure for an encyclopediac article. WP style is to avoid Criticism/controversy sections. She is a controversial figure. Her views and responses to them should be put into the main text of the article, without ghetto sections for 'for' or 'against' views. Ashmoo (talk) 09:59, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
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Please change "Brigitte Gabriel (Arabic: بريجيت غابرييل; born Hanan Qahwaji,[3] 21 October 1964) is a Lebanese-American conservative author, anti-Muslim activist, and founder of the group ACT! for America." to "Brigitte Gabriel (Arabic: بريجيت غابرييل; born Hanan Qahwaji,[3] 21 October 1964) is a Lebanese-American conservative author, Islam critic, and founder of the group ACT! for America." because the term "critic of Islam" replacing "anti-Muslim activist" would be more accurate. The page already contains proofs Brigitte Gabriel is not an anti-Muslim activist. JulienSorel1965 (talk) 14:54, 10 November 2018 (UTC)
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Please change "Brigitte Gabriel (Arabic: بريجيت غابرييل; born Hanan Qahwaji,[3] 21 October 1964) is a Lebanese-American conservative author, anti-Muslim activist, and founder of the group ACT! for America." to "Brigitte Gabriel (Arabic: بريجيت غابرييل; born Hanan Qahwaji,[3] 21 October 1964) is a Lebanese-American conservative author, critic of Islam, and founder of the group ACT! for America." because, as discussed on the talk page, there's NOTHING proving she's opposed to Muslims people as a whole. No source can confirm that while many sources already placed on the page can testify that she's a critic of Islam. Please let's correct this inaccurate adjective to keep this page fair, not a biased qualification of Brigitte Gabriel. JulienSorel1965 (talk) 12:33, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
I’m aware there is a talk section for this but seeing as those concerns were brought up quite awhile ago I though a fresh discussion would be warranted given recent editing. I previously removed from her intro the description of her as an “anti-Muslim” activist and received serious push back, despite there being no evidence actually private Fed besides an opinion piece from the NYT which stated her views as anti-Islamic (not anti-Muslim). It seems the anti-Muslim description has been removed only for it to be added that her activist group has been called an anti-Muslim hate group.
It’s clear that there are edits that are attempting to do whatever they can to call her a bigot with the veneer of objectivity. I need more time to dig through the citations but at first glance it appears the citations are from editorial opinion pieces, which seems to be insufficient to warrant the claim that her organization is a hate group and the mere fact that some have decided to classify a group as “anti-Muslim” doesn’t meant this allegation can be justifiably included in the introduction of a living person - if it were, it would essentially allow the very harshest critics descriptions to be included as her objective biography.
I’m just wanting to raise a red flag here and get feedback on improving the objectivity of this article. I’ll admit that I need to do deeper research before making substantive revisions myself, but from a cursory reading on the subject of the article, her views seem to be largely critical of the religion of islam as a doctrine, and this is being equated by others to be anti-Muslim bigotry. People are free to infer that, but it’s not an objective description of her views, even if others can be cited to hold the view that she is a bigot. This is a living person and such a clearly biased and critical article risks becoming libel. So this article is in desperate need of revision. Mylescoen12 (talk) 22:23, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
WP:BLP says: it is not Wikipedia's job to be sensationalist, or to be the primary vehicle for the spread of titillating claims about people's lives; the possibility of harm to living subjects must always be considered when exercising editorial judgment. Calling her group "an anti-Muslim hate group" in the lead is violating this rule, while deleting her response to her critics is violating WP:NPOV. Thus I reverted to a somewhat better version. Regards, Jeff5102 (talk) 08:59, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
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Change "founder of the anti-Muslim group ACT! for America" to "founder of the anti-Islam group ACT! for America". It's unfair to characterize the group as anti-muslim. Islam is an ideology, not a race, and ideologies can and sometimes must be criticized, for their violence. Also, the sources used to describe the group as "anti-muslim" are biased, and wikipedia must be an impartial source of knowledge. 200.217.81.165 (talk) 06:16, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
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Switch out the picture for Gabriel. Not able to upload a legit picture. Emmakristine (talk) 21:02, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
I did not upload the picture because the picture came up as invalid due to possible copyright issues, but there are no copyright issues with the picture I am trying to upload. Emmakristine (talk) 20:06, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
Taken in context she is clearly referring to Islamofascism or radical Islam. Posting out of context quotes is really unhelpful to Brigitte's reputation in particular and Wikipedia's reputation in general. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ForHim1 (talk • contribs) 16:52, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
I propose merging Because They Hate into this article, because I don't feel that the book is independently notable for a stand-alone article. See Talk:Because They Hate for extensive discussion on the article's notability between me and MusenInvincible. Eddie891 Talk Work 13:59, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
User "BeholderGuard" has vandalized this page by adding "Sharmouta" (Arabic for prostitute) to her last name. Meanwhile, editing this page is restricted such that this sexist insult cannot be removed. Please address this issue. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.112.111.100 (talk) 22:56, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
We should add that she’s married and have kids as she admitted during her interview with Dave Rubin Nlivataye (talk) 15:02, 16 October 2021 (UTC)
Louis P. Boog can you explain this edit? Was it a GF mistake? Because you marked it as minor even though it removes sourced content and the edit summary "link added" also does not explain why the content was removed. Thanks, VR talk 19:19, 29 December 2021 (UTC)